March 2nd 05, 10:43 AM
Hey Fred, trying to get Carol "reinstated" ????
not gonna happen...
Fred Hall wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 03:46:37 GMT, Aratzio >
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:02:32 -0600, "karen" >
wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Aratzio" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:48:05 -0600, "Reel McKoi" >
> >>> transparently proposed:
> >>>
> >>> <sneck>
> >>>
> >>> >I well remember a person complaining to my old ISP from a dog NG
because
> >>I
> >>> >posted that some veterinarians are charging as much as human
Dr's. It
> >>was
> >>> >a discussion about the cost of veterinary medicine. There was
nothing
> >>said
> >>> >about any particular veterinarian, no profanity, no threats.....
and yet
> >>> >someone was offended and angered enough to contact my ISP. I
couldn't
> >>> >believe it!
> >>> >
> >>> >Karen....
> >>=============================
> >>> I can top that, I recently had someone complain to the email
provider
> >>> (sneakemail.com) I use in my From line. She seemed to think the
email
> >>> provider TOS was in effect for usenet posts made through
Easynews.
> >>> Sneakemail forwarded the whole complaint to me and asked me to
deal
> >>> with the problem. That was a really good idea...
> >>>
> >>> 'Ratz
> >>================
> >>I wish they would all do that. Many simply send you a polite reply
telling
> >>you to killfile the offender.
> >
> >The appropriate response most times, especially since most whiners
and
> >complainers are clueless about what is abuse. Some one using words
on
> >a screen to insult or flame is not abuse. Being the butt of a joke
is
> >not abuse. Off topic posts are not abuse. Flooding, Spam, Physical
> >Threats and such are abuse.
> >
> >>Some complainers actually change people's
> >>posts (cut & paste), send them to the Newsserver or ISP with a
complaint.
> >>The ISP never bothers to check and see if it's legitimate.
> >
> >No abuse desk with any sort of clue will respond without full
headers.
> >Without those headers they cannot follow the mid to the offending
> >post. If you have an example of such I would love to see it.
> >
> >>They take the complaining person's word for it.
> >
> >Why would you say that. If the complaint is valid they have to nuke
a
> >paying customer.
> >
> >>ISP's can tell you some real interesting
> >>stories about what slime-bags pull off, or try to pull off where
Usenet is
> >>concerned.
> >
> >I am sure they can, along with the real stories of abuse. I am sure
a
> >lot of stories revolve around the paranoid fantasies that seem
rampant
> >upon usenet.
> >
> >>I may just end up posting through Google since they ignore all
> >>complaints and allow people to post anything. Looks like x-provat
already
> >>banned me for posting what I did HERE the other day! Maybe he just
wants
> >>people who READ and not POST using his service...??!!?!?!!?!?!
> >
> >As we have all said, his server, his rules, how ever messed those
> >rules may be.
> >
> >Did you try signing up for the free Shared-Secrets account. I can
> >assure you that Robb the owner does not play games with abuse. He is
> >very adept at spotting the froggeries and forgeries.
>
> I have known "Karen", as a Usenet poster, since about 1997. She has
> had a real problem with a guy out of New Jersey, who uses the nick
> "Jabriol." Jabbers has been trying to netkkkop her since at least
> '97, and I'm sure he's the one who got Karen's X-Privat account
nuked.
> Jabbers himself had several ISP's shot out from under him for abuse
> until he discovered Google Groups. Even forging of valid domain
names
> won't get a Google account nuked, sad to say.
not gonna happen...
Fred Hall wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 03:46:37 GMT, Aratzio >
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:02:32 -0600, "karen" >
wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Aratzio" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>> On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:48:05 -0600, "Reel McKoi" >
> >>> transparently proposed:
> >>>
> >>> <sneck>
> >>>
> >>> >I well remember a person complaining to my old ISP from a dog NG
because
> >>I
> >>> >posted that some veterinarians are charging as much as human
Dr's. It
> >>was
> >>> >a discussion about the cost of veterinary medicine. There was
nothing
> >>said
> >>> >about any particular veterinarian, no profanity, no threats.....
and yet
> >>> >someone was offended and angered enough to contact my ISP. I
couldn't
> >>> >believe it!
> >>> >
> >>> >Karen....
> >>=============================
> >>> I can top that, I recently had someone complain to the email
provider
> >>> (sneakemail.com) I use in my From line. She seemed to think the
> >>> provider TOS was in effect for usenet posts made through
Easynews.
> >>> Sneakemail forwarded the whole complaint to me and asked me to
deal
> >>> with the problem. That was a really good idea...
> >>>
> >>> 'Ratz
> >>================
> >>I wish they would all do that. Many simply send you a polite reply
telling
> >>you to killfile the offender.
> >
> >The appropriate response most times, especially since most whiners
and
> >complainers are clueless about what is abuse. Some one using words
on
> >a screen to insult or flame is not abuse. Being the butt of a joke
is
> >not abuse. Off topic posts are not abuse. Flooding, Spam, Physical
> >Threats and such are abuse.
> >
> >>Some complainers actually change people's
> >>posts (cut & paste), send them to the Newsserver or ISP with a
complaint.
> >>The ISP never bothers to check and see if it's legitimate.
> >
> >No abuse desk with any sort of clue will respond without full
headers.
> >Without those headers they cannot follow the mid to the offending
> >post. If you have an example of such I would love to see it.
> >
> >>They take the complaining person's word for it.
> >
> >Why would you say that. If the complaint is valid they have to nuke
a
> >paying customer.
> >
> >>ISP's can tell you some real interesting
> >>stories about what slime-bags pull off, or try to pull off where
Usenet is
> >>concerned.
> >
> >I am sure they can, along with the real stories of abuse. I am sure
a
> >lot of stories revolve around the paranoid fantasies that seem
rampant
> >upon usenet.
> >
> >>I may just end up posting through Google since they ignore all
> >>complaints and allow people to post anything. Looks like x-provat
already
> >>banned me for posting what I did HERE the other day! Maybe he just
wants
> >>people who READ and not POST using his service...??!!?!?!!?!?!
> >
> >As we have all said, his server, his rules, how ever messed those
> >rules may be.
> >
> >Did you try signing up for the free Shared-Secrets account. I can
> >assure you that Robb the owner does not play games with abuse. He is
> >very adept at spotting the froggeries and forgeries.
>
> I have known "Karen", as a Usenet poster, since about 1997. She has
> had a real problem with a guy out of New Jersey, who uses the nick
> "Jabriol." Jabbers has been trying to netkkkop her since at least
> '97, and I'm sure he's the one who got Karen's X-Privat account
nuked.
> Jabbers himself had several ISP's shot out from under him for abuse
> until he discovered Google Groups. Even forging of valid domain
names
> won't get a Google account nuked, sad to say.