L (Giant) FS Advice

[Benign Vanilla]

I was in my local Giant fish store yesterday to pick up a few things. There
was a grandmother there with her son and grandson, buying an orander for her
grandson...

....putting it in a bowl
....with a snail for algae
....advised to feed every other day
....advised to clean the bowl every two weeks
....advised to use marbles or pebbles in the bowl

Sounds like a dead fish is coming soon.

*sigh*

--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[Gfishery]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message ...
> I was in my local Giant fish store yesterday to pick up a few things. There
> was a grandmother there with her son and grandson, buying an orander for her
> grandson...
>
> ...putting it in a bowl
> ...with a snail for algae
> ...advised to feed every other day
> ...advised to clean the bowl every two weeks
> ...advised to use marbles or pebbles in the bowl
>
> Sounds like a dead fish is coming soon.
>
> *sigh*

I think the LFS should present a more accurate picture of
what it takes to raise an Oranda.
Maybe the kid will learn from this experience and grow up to be a fish expert some day.

I'm not defending the LFS in any way, but
if the LFS had said 10 or 20 gallons per goldfish, twice the recommended
power filtering for goldfish, an air pump, a semi-Ph.D. in water chemistry and
at the very least an understanding of the Nitrogen cycle and how to cycle a tank,
the kid might have ended up with a dog or a cat for a pet instead! :)

How did the Chinese manage to raise goldfish as pets a couple of thousand years ago?

I think a visual indicator like Seachem's Ammonia Alert device
goes a long way to identify a potential problem brewing in a less-than-ideal
environment, before something adverse actually occurs.
(If only someone had a similar panel that continuously monitored Ph, Nitrite & Nitrate :)

The kid can be told to monitor and ensure the indicator dot in the center of the device
remains yellow, and to start doing something (e.g. water change) before it turns
green or blue.

I also think there are laws in some states that prohibit large containers
(e.g. 40 gallon fish tanks) around little children: the kid might fall in
and drown himself, so this could be construed to be a dangerous hobby.
And a tank's electrical lighting fixtures right above water? Hmmm..

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Idiots, get the kid a rabbit

[Larry Blanchard]

In article >, says...
>
> Idiots, get the kid a rabbit
>
Oh good, he can graduate from mistreating a fish to mistreating a
mammal. That's an improvement?

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

[Gfishery]

"Larry Blanchard" > wrote in message ...
> In article >, says...
> >
> > Idiots, get the kid a rabbit
> >
> Oh good, he can graduate from mistreating a fish to mistreating a
> mammal. That's an improvement?

I think it is easier to take care of a rabbit; less high tech gadgets required :)

[Squeek]

Id march in there with a tonne of supporting eveidence why cruely to animals
is not tollerated....
I mean...yeah they can seel the fish and the tank, but there are a range of
inexpensive kits availablle out there that make it so much easier.....the
problem with LFSs is that they are only in it to make money because they
know that boy and his grandma will come back to buy another fish...
"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>I was in my local Giant fish store yesterday to pick up a few things. There
> was a grandmother there with her son and grandson, buying an orander for
> her
> grandson...
>
> ...putting it in a bowl
> ...with a snail for algae
> ...advised to feed every other day
> ...advised to clean the bowl every two weeks
> ...advised to use marbles or pebbles in the bowl
>
> Sounds like a dead fish is coming soon.
>
> *sigh*
>
> --
> BV
> Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
> http://www.iheartmypond.com
> I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.
>
>
>

[Squeek]

(geeze i can get worked up sometimes)
Everyone must know im a red-head.... ;-)
"Squeek" > wrote in message
...
> Id march in there with a tonne of supporting eveidence why cruely to
> animals is not tollerated....
> I mean...yeah they can seel the fish and the tank, but there are a range
> of inexpensive kits availablle out there that make it so much
> easier.....the problem with LFSs is that they are only in it to make money
> because they know that boy and his grandma will come back to buy another
> fish...
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I was in my local Giant fish store yesterday to pick up a few things.
>>There
>> was a grandmother there with her son and grandson, buying an orander for
>> her
>> grandson...
>>
>> ...putting it in a bowl
>> ...with a snail for algae
>> ...advised to feed every other day
>> ...advised to clean the bowl every two weeks
>> ...advised to use marbles or pebbles in the bowl
>>
>> Sounds like a dead fish is coming soon.
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>> --
>> BV
>> Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
>> http://www.iheartmypond.com
>> I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Larry Blanchard wrote:
>
> In article >, says...
> >
> > Idiots, get the kid a rabbit
> >
> Oh good, he can graduate from mistreating a fish to mistreating a
> mammal. That's an improvement?
>
> --
> Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

Its easier to mistreat a fish than it is a mammal. Ever heard of anyone
flushing a sick rabbit down the toilet?

[Ed VanDyke]

"Angrie.Woman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Geezer From The Freezer" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>>
>>> In article >, says...
>>> >
>>> > Idiots, get the kid a rabbit
>>> >
>>> Oh good, he can graduate from mistreating a fish to mistreating a
>>> mammal. That's an improvement?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description
>>
>> Its easier to mistreat a fish than it is a mammal. Ever heard of anyone
>> flushing a sick rabbit down the toilet?
>
> No, but they turn them loose. Sort of the same thing.
>
> A
Rabbits will escape on their own, Though occasionally a fish may get out of
the tank, I would hardly call it escaping. =)

[Squeek]

You never know.....i mean...how are we to know whats going on in a fishs'
brain at that point it decides to jump out......
:-)
"Ed VanDyke" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Angrie.Woman" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Geezer From The Freezer" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>> >
>>>> > Idiots, get the kid a rabbit
>>>> >
>>>> Oh good, he can graduate from mistreating a fish to mistreating a
>>>> mammal. That's an improvement?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description
>>>
>>> Its easier to mistreat a fish than it is a mammal. Ever heard of anyone
>>> flushing a sick rabbit down the toilet?
>>
>> No, but they turn them loose. Sort of the same thing.
>>
>> A
> Rabbits will escape on their own, Though occasionally a fish may get out
> of the tank, I would hardly call it escaping. =)
>

[Angrie.Woman]

"Ed VanDyke" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Angrie.Woman" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Geezer From The Freezer" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>> >
>>>> > Idiots, get the kid a rabbit
>>>> >
>>>> Oh good, he can graduate from mistreating a fish to mistreating a
>>>> mammal. That's an improvement?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description
>>>
>>> Its easier to mistreat a fish than it is a mammal. Ever heard of anyone
>>> flushing a sick rabbit down the toilet?
>>
>> No, but they turn them loose. Sort of the same thing.
>>
>> A
> Rabbits will escape on their own, Though occasionally a fish may get out
> of the tank, I would hardly call it escaping. =)

The end result is usually the same though, Granted, it takes the rabbit a
little longer.....

A
>
>

[Geezer From The Freezer]

"Angrie.Woman" wrote:
> > Rabbits will escape on their own, Though occasionally a fish may get out
> > of the tank, I would hardly call it escaping. =)
>
> The end result is usually the same though, Granted, it takes the rabbit a
> little longer.....

ahh but a rabbit escaping is different to a lazy/ignorant human flushing
a fish!

[Squeek]

bingo
"Geezer From The Freezer" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Angrie.Woman" wrote:
>> > Rabbits will escape on their own, Though occasionally a fish may get
>> > out
>> > of the tank, I would hardly call it escaping. =)
>>
>> The end result is usually the same though, Granted, it takes the rabbit a
>> little longer.....
>
> ahh but a rabbit escaping is different to a lazy/ignorant human flushing
> a fish!

[Angrie.Woman]

"Geezer From The Freezer" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Angrie.Woman" wrote:
>> > Rabbits will escape on their own, Though occasionally a fish may get
>> > out
>> > of the tank, I would hardly call it escaping. =)
>>
>> The end result is usually the same though, Granted, it takes the rabbit a
>> little longer.....
>
> ahh but a rabbit escaping is different to a lazy/ignorant human flushing
> a fish!

Well, in the original post, the rabbit didn't escape. He was dumped in a
field by owners who were tired of taking care of him. That's akin to
flushing a fish, though I suppose releasing a fish into a drainage ditch
would be a closer analogy.

A

[Sander Vesik]

Angrie.Woman > wrote:
>
> The end result is usually the same though, Granted, it takes the rabbit a
> little longer.....
>

Not necessarily. by the time the fish has choked, the rabbit has been
probably run over or met a cat/dog/angry teenager...

--
Sander

+++ Out of cheese error +++

[2pods]

"Sander Vesik" > wrote in message
...
> Sander
>
> +++ Out of cheese error +++

reboot universe

[Gfishery]

"Sander Vesik" > wrote in message ...
> Angrie.Woman > wrote:
> >
> > The end result is usually the same though, Granted, it takes the rabbit a
> > little longer.....
> >
>
> Not necessarily. by the time the fish has choked, the rabbit has been
> probably run over or met a cat/dog/angry teenager...

The hares seem to be multiplying, and they are really good at evading anything that tries to get near them.
A rabbit may have lost that skill somewhere along the course of evolution.

Maybe humans should stop trying to domesticate animals.

[Ed VanDyke]

If people stopped domesticating animals, then the world would lose interest
in animals. If that should ever happen, then, they're all screwed.

"Gfishery" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sander Vesik" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Angrie.Woman > wrote:
>> >
>> > The end result is usually the same though, Granted, it takes the rabbit
>> > a
>> > little longer.....
>> >
>>
>> Not necessarily. by the time the fish has choked, the rabbit has been
>> probably run over or met a cat/dog/angry teenager...
>
> The hares seem to be multiplying, and they are really good at evading
> anything that tries to get near them.
> A rabbit may have lost that skill somewhere along the course of evolution.
>
> Maybe humans should stop trying to domesticate animals.
>
>

[Angrie.Woman]

"Angrie.Woman" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Geezer From The Freezer" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Angrie.Woman" wrote:
>>> > Rabbits will escape on their own, Though occasionally a fish may get
>>> > out
>>> > of the tank, I would hardly call it escaping. =)
>>>
>>> The end result is usually the same though, Granted, it takes the rabbit
>>> a
>>> little longer.....
>>
>> ahh but a rabbit escaping is different to a lazy/ignorant human flushing
>> a fish!
>
> Well, in the original post, the rabbit didn't escape. He was dumped in a
> field by owners who were tired of taking care of him. That's akin to
> flushing a fish, though I suppose releasing a fish into a drainage ditch
> would be a closer analogy.

According to the ASPCA, the average lifespan for an abandoned house rabbit
is 3 days. One has to wonder how they came up with that though...


A