Hey Oz Dude

[~Roy~]

How are the fish doing...I accidently deleted this newsgroup so I am a
bit behind any updates, which I hope are good!

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Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!

[Gill Passman]

"~Roy~" > wrote in message
...
> How are the fish doing...I accidently deleted this newsgroup so I am a
> bit behind any updates, which I hope are good!
>
> ==============================================
> Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!

Hi Oz,
I'd like to add to this......what is the current situation? I know you lost
a lot of fish but not all.....not heard anything recently so please update
us....if there is anything anyone can do to help just ask - we are all
rooting for you

Gill

[Ozdude]

"~Roy~" > wrote in message
...
> How are the fish doing...I accidently deleted this newsgroup so I am a
> bit behind any updates, which I hope are good!
>
> ==============================================
> Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!

Well, the tank has settled:

pH 7.0, GH 10, KH 10, A0, Ni0, Na0. Plants are pearling away and growing
fast.

I dosed with Tri-Sulfur and Mela and PimaFix because Elaine T alerted me to
the fact it may not have been Flex at all, but a parasite -I am not sure
what it was - it had the symptoms of Flex, but also of the parasite, which
was a scarier proposition because they are microscopic to invisible and live
on the substrate. My meds wouldn't have fixed a parasitic infection but
certainly any bacterial ones. The water doesn't smell so earthy these days
either.

I lost altogether - 3 Swordtails, 8 Neon Tetras, 2 Hockey Stick Tetras and 4
SAEs = 17.

I have been cleaning the gravel every day for about a week now and I do an
at least 20% water change. Cleaner gravel seems to have made a difference.

After the "cull" I have decided to go with Gouramis and tetras.

I am just in an interim period now, where I am contemplating re-stocking,
establishing a preventative disease situation (as much as possible) and
counting my lucky stars I caught it and didn't lose everything.

The re-stocking will be slow - over months this time - for several reasons.

Oz

--
My Aquatic web Blog is at http://members.optusnet.com.au/ivan.smith

[Squeek]

ITs good to hear that no more fish have passed on......
losing fish is a part of tha aquarists nightmare....but you pick yourself
up, dust yourself off, and keep going....

I was devistated when i lost my prize pair of breeding ranchus.....they were
only 4....after an autopsy and many tests later....found out that they were
deeply stressed....but by what? i dont know....

lifes a mystery

"Ozdude" > wrote in message
u...
>
> "~Roy~" > wrote in message
> ...
>> How are the fish doing...I accidently deleted this newsgroup so I am a
>> bit behind any updates, which I hope are good!
>>
>> ==============================================
>> Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
>
> Well, the tank has settled:
>
> pH 7.0, GH 10, KH 10, A0, Ni0, Na0. Plants are pearling away and growing
> fast.
>
> I dosed with Tri-Sulfur and Mela and PimaFix because Elaine T alerted me
> to the fact it may not have been Flex at all, but a parasite -I am not
> sure what it was - it had the symptoms of Flex, but also of the parasite,
> which was a scarier proposition because they are microscopic to invisible
> and live on the substrate. My meds wouldn't have fixed a parasitic
> infection but certainly any bacterial ones. The water doesn't smell so
> earthy these days either.
>
> I lost altogether - 3 Swordtails, 8 Neon Tetras, 2 Hockey Stick Tetras and
> 4 SAEs = 17.
>
> I have been cleaning the gravel every day for about a week now and I do an
> at least 20% water change. Cleaner gravel seems to have made a difference.
>
> After the "cull" I have decided to go with Gouramis and tetras.
>
> I am just in an interim period now, where I am contemplating re-stocking,
> establishing a preventative disease situation (as much as possible) and
> counting my lucky stars I caught it and didn't lose everything.
>
> The re-stocking will be slow - over months this time - for several
> reasons.
>
> Oz
>
> --
> My Aquatic web Blog is at http://members.optusnet.com.au/ivan.smith
>

[Ozdude]

"Squeek" > wrote in message
...
> ITs good to hear that no more fish have passed on......
> losing fish is a part of tha aquarists nightmare....but you pick yourself
> up, dust yourself off, and keep going....
>
> I was devistated when i lost my prize pair of breeding ranchus.....they
> were only 4....after an autopsy and many tests later....found out that
> they were deeply stressed....but by what? i dont know....
>
> lifes a mystery


Thanks for the words.

I went and saw my Lama tonight and had a realisation (insight) while he was
talking about death (of all subjects) that what happened is perfectly
natural and isn't necessarily anyone's "fault". I am quite relaxed and
comfortable about what has happened. If anything it's a lesson or two for me
about the many aspects of the aquarium hobby. A learning experience in
general about tank health.

The main things I've realised are that the advice on the Internet and in
books on fish selection, quarantine, equipment selection, water quality and
parameters, biotoping and maintenance are all accurate and are good sound
advice.

It doesn't either bother me about the monetary cost of the loss actually
because ultimately I have gained a mountain of experiential learning from
this whole thing. I still am not too sure whether it was bacterial or
parasitic but at least given the meds the remaining inhabitants of my tank
have had, I know if something kills any more of them in the near future
it'll either be me or a parasite ;)

Oz

--
My Aquatic web Blog is at http://members.optusnet.com.au/ivan.smith

[Squeek]

It all got to the point where i had to isolate and salt dip my fish to knock
off any parasites and get them to purge, and treated them with an anti
parasite and antibacterial..(i forgot what its called) med......I then took
everything out of the tank and soaked in a mid bleach solution then washed
and washedx10000, soaked them in dechlor. I added heaps of salt to the tank
(enough so that no more salt can be dissolved) and let that sit for 2
days......I washed the tank out like mad and set it up, filled it up and am
doing the fishless cycle all over again....

I was so sick of bacteria and parisites and using med to combat them....so i
got a pondmaster UV steriliser....i have researched them for many months...i
didnt know that they can eliminate water-bourne parisites and bacteria
aswell as eliminating algae blooms....My brother has been using UV
sterilisers for a few years and the fish look so happy...
"Ozdude" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Squeek" > wrote in message
> ...
>> ITs good to hear that no more fish have passed on......
>> losing fish is a part of tha aquarists nightmare....but you pick yourself
>> up, dust yourself off, and keep going....
>>
>> I was devistated when i lost my prize pair of breeding ranchus.....they
>> were only 4....after an autopsy and many tests later....found out that
>> they were deeply stressed....but by what? i dont know....
>>
>> lifes a mystery
>
>
> Thanks for the words.
>
> I went and saw my Lama tonight and had a realisation (insight) while he
> was talking about death (of all subjects) that what happened is perfectly
> natural and isn't necessarily anyone's "fault". I am quite relaxed and
> comfortable about what has happened. If anything it's a lesson or two for
> me about the many aspects of the aquarium hobby. A learning experience in
> general about tank health.
>
> The main things I've realised are that the advice on the Internet and in
> books on fish selection, quarantine, equipment selection, water quality
> and parameters, biotoping and maintenance are all accurate and are good
> sound advice.
>
> It doesn't either bother me about the monetary cost of the loss actually
> because ultimately I have gained a mountain of experiential learning from
> this whole thing. I still am not too sure whether it was bacterial or
> parasitic but at least given the meds the remaining inhabitants of my tank
> have had, I know if something kills any more of them in the near future
> it'll either be me or a parasite ;)
>
> Oz
>
> --
> My Aquatic web Blog is at http://members.optusnet.com.au/ivan.smith
>