3 Angels in a tank

[Dan White]

Hi. I put 3 nickel-ish sized angels in a 55g tank a couple of months ago,
and now they are about quarter sized. Just the other day I noticed that one
of the angels had a large eye, almost like popeye, and it was red on one
side. The fish also had some red markings around the mouth. I also did see
him get attacked by one of the angels, but I think this was near feeding
time. The other two angels hang out together (all three used to) and seem
very energetic. Is it likely under these conditions that the two have
paired up already, and beaten up on the third, or am I more likely looking
at a diseased fish?

I still don't have a quarantine tank, so i'm at a bit of a loss to do much
when a fish gets into trouble like this.

thanks for any comments,
dwhite

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Well, don't know about angelfish, but my glass fish will gang up on a
diseased tank mate. So, I suppose it is hard to tell whether the
chicken or the egg comes first.

[Dan White]

> wrote in message
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> Well, don't know about angelfish, but my glass fish will gang up on a
> diseased tank mate. So, I suppose it is hard to tell whether the
> chicken or the egg comes first.
>

That's what I was wondering. I do have a sick black neon tetra whose spine
looks kind of bent. I have a (getting) large orange barb in the tank that
might be taking nips out of tankmates, but I haven't caught him in the act
yet. It is really my father's tank, which I help maintain, so I don't see
things every day. The angel died pretty quickly it seems. Water quality
nitrite-wise is fine, live plants and all so maybe the stress from being
attacked got him.

dwhite

[Justin Boucher]

Angelfish are quite aggresive when the pair up. Those more familiar with
breeding these wonderful fish can give you better accounts. I had three
angles in a 100 once. Two paired up and beat the third so much that I moved
that one to the 20.

I was quite excited to see egg deposits on the Amazon Sword leaves, but due
to the other fish in the tank (community), the male angelfish, Clyde, ate
all the eggs and pressed the female to another location. I think that the
fish destroyed the nest because it was not a secure location. A few days
later, I found the female literally shoved up between the powerhead and the
tank. Dead. I can only assume that Clyde pressed her up there because of
the environmental threat to the nest anywhere in that tank.

Although I never intended to breed the angels, it was exciting to watch the
action and perhaps some time in the future, I will attempt it.

Justin

"Dan White" > wrote in message
...
> Hi. I put 3 nickel-ish sized angels in a 55g tank a couple of months ago,
> and now they are about quarter sized. Just the other day I noticed that
one
> of the angels had a large eye, almost like popeye, and it was red on one
> side. The fish also had some red markings around the mouth. I also did
see
> him get attacked by one of the angels, but I think this was near feeding
> time. The other two angels hang out together (all three used to) and seem
> very energetic. Is it likely under these conditions that the two have
> paired up already, and beaten up on the third, or am I more likely looking
> at a diseased fish?
>
> I still don't have a quarantine tank, so i'm at a bit of a loss to do much
> when a fish gets into trouble like this.
>
> thanks for any comments,
> dwhite
>
>

[bassett]

Having three of anything is bad news, Angles are anything but angles when it
comes to sorting out the interloper. They normaly starve the 3rd fish, if
there not talking turns to attack it. While one feeds the other attacks the
3rd fish and stops it eating, then the 2nd swaps round , and the 1st
repeats the process.
After a couple of days, the fish is that weak, with lack of food and no
time to rest, that it just dies.
Four are the go, and you will find that two will take over each end of
the tank. resulting in a Peacefull tank.
bassett

"Justin Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> Angelfish are quite aggresive when the pair up. Those more familiar with
> breeding these wonderful fish can give you better accounts. I had three
> angles in a 100 once. Two paired up and beat the third so much that I
> moved
> that one to the 20.
>
> I was quite excited to see egg deposits on the Amazon Sword leaves, but
> due
> to the other fish in the tank (community), the male angelfish, Clyde, ate
> all the eggs and pressed the female to another location. I think that the
> fish destroyed the nest because it was not a secure location. A few days
> later, I found the female literally shoved up between the powerhead and
> the
> tank. Dead. I can only assume that Clyde pressed her up there because of
> the environmental threat to the nest anywhere in that tank.
>
> Although I never intended to breed the angels, it was exciting to watch
> the
> action and perhaps some time in the future, I will attempt it.
>
> Justin
>
> "Dan White" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi. I put 3 nickel-ish sized angels in a 55g tank a couple of months
>> ago,
>> and now they are about quarter sized. Just the other day I noticed that
> one
>> of the angels had a large eye, almost like popeye, and it was red on one
>> side. The fish also had some red markings around the mouth. I also did
> see
>> him get attacked by one of the angels, but I think this was near feeding
>> time. The other two angels hang out together (all three used to) and
>> seem
>> very energetic. Is it likely under these conditions that the two have
>> paired up already, and beaten up on the third, or am I more likely
>> looking
>> at a diseased fish?
>>
>> I still don't have a quarantine tank, so i'm at a bit of a loss to do
>> much
>> when a fish gets into trouble like this.
>>
>> thanks for any comments,
>> dwhite
>>
>>
>
>

[Dan White]

"bassett" > wrote in message
...
> Having three of anything is bad news, Angles are anything but angles when
it
> comes to sorting out the interloper. They normaly starve the 3rd fish,
if
> there not talking turns to attack it. While one feeds the other attacks
the
> 3rd fish and stops it eating, then the 2nd swaps round , and the 1st
> repeats the process.
> After a couple of days, the fish is that weak, with lack of food and no
> time to rest, that it just dies.
> Four are the go, and you will find that two will take over each end
of
> the tank. resulting in a Peacefull tank.
> bassett

It was just a little surprising with such small angels in such a relatively
large tank.

thanks,
dwhite

>
> "Justin Boucher" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Angelfish are quite aggresive when the pair up. Those more familiar
with
> > breeding these wonderful fish can give you better accounts. I had three
> > angles in a 100 once. Two paired up and beat the third so much that I
> > moved
> > that one to the 20.
> >
> > I was quite excited to see egg deposits on the Amazon Sword leaves, but
> > due
> > to the other fish in the tank (community), the male angelfish, Clyde,
ate
> > all the eggs and pressed the female to another location. I think that
the
> > fish destroyed the nest because it was not a secure location. A few
days
> > later, I found the female literally shoved up between the powerhead and
> > the
> > tank. Dead. I can only assume that Clyde pressed her up there because
of
> > the environmental threat to the nest anywhere in that tank.
> >
> > Although I never intended to breed the angels, it was exciting to watch
> > the
> > action and perhaps some time in the future, I will attempt it.
> >
> > Justin
> >
> > "Dan White" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Hi. I put 3 nickel-ish sized angels in a 55g tank a couple of months
> >> ago,
> >> and now they are about quarter sized. Just the other day I noticed
that
> > one
> >> of the angels had a large eye, almost like popeye, and it was red on
one
> >> side. The fish also had some red markings around the mouth. I also
did
> > see
> >> him get attacked by one of the angels, but I think this was near
feeding
> >> time. The other two angels hang out together (all three used to) and
> >> seem
> >> very energetic. Is it likely under these conditions that the two have
> >> paired up already, and beaten up on the third, or am I more likely
> >> looking
> >> at a diseased fish?
> >>
> >> I still don't have a quarantine tank, so i'm at a bit of a loss to do
> >> much
> >> when a fish gets into trouble like this.
> >>
> >> thanks for any comments,
> >> dwhite
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

[Dick]

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:37:09 -0500, "Dan White"
> wrote:

>"bassett" > wrote in message
...
>> Having three of anything is bad news, Angles are anything but angles when
>it
>> comes to sorting out the interloper. They normaly starve the 3rd fish,
>if
>> there not talking turns to attack it. While one feeds the other attacks
>the
>> 3rd fish and stops it eating, then the 2nd swaps round , and the 1st
>> repeats the process.
>> After a couple of days, the fish is that weak, with lack of food and no
>> time to rest, that it just dies.
>> Four are the go, and you will find that two will take over each end
>of
>> the tank. resulting in a Peacefull tank.
>> bassett
>
>It was just a little surprising with such small angels in such a relatively
>large tank.
>
>thanks,
>dwhite
>
>>
>> "Justin Boucher" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Angelfish are quite aggresive when the pair up. Those more familiar
>with
>> > breeding these wonderful fish can give you better accounts. I had three
>> > angles in a 100 once. Two paired up and beat the third so much that I
>> > moved
>> > that one to the 20.
>> >
>> > I was quite excited to see egg deposits on the Amazon Sword leaves, but
>> > due
>> > to the other fish in the tank (community), the male angelfish, Clyde,
>ate
>> > all the eggs and pressed the female to another location. I think that
>the
>> > fish destroyed the nest because it was not a secure location. A few
>days
>> > later, I found the female literally shoved up between the powerhead and
>> > the
>> > tank. Dead. I can only assume that Clyde pressed her up there because
>of
>> > the environmental threat to the nest anywhere in that tank.
>> >
>> > Although I never intended to breed the angels, it was exciting to watch
>> > the
>> > action and perhaps some time in the future, I will attempt it.
>> >
>> > Justin
>> >
>> > "Dan White" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> Hi. I put 3 nickel-ish sized angels in a 55g tank a couple of months
>> >> ago,
>> >> and now they are about quarter sized. Just the other day I noticed
>that
>> > one
>> >> of the angels had a large eye, almost like popeye, and it was red on
>one
>> >> side. The fish also had some red markings around the mouth. I also
>did
>> > see
>> >> him get attacked by one of the angels, but I think this was near
>feeding
>> >> time. The other two angels hang out together (all three used to) and
>> >> seem
>> >> very energetic. Is it likely under these conditions that the two have
>> >> paired up already, and beaten up on the third, or am I more likely
>> >> looking
>> >> at a diseased fish?
>> >>
>> >> I still don't have a quarantine tank, so i'm at a bit of a loss to do
>> >> much
>> >> when a fish gets into trouble like this.
>> >>
>> >> thanks for any comments,
>> >> dwhite
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

I had 3 black angelfish in a 75 gallon tank. They did not give each
other problems. Eventually, 2 paired and laid eggs in the community
tank. I thought it would be nice to let the pair have a tank of their
own. Something went wrong in the transfer and they swam/floated in
odd directions and one by one died. They were 3 or 4 inches by that
time. Quite attractive, quite a loss.

The third angel continue to grow. The tank has 3 large blue gouramis
that have staked out the corners and center leaving the angel without
a natural hangout, so I took the risk and moved "her" to another tank
where she is queen of the tank. This worked well.

Being social and biological engineer is quite challenging!

dick

[Lisa]

I have one juvenile angel (nickel-sized body - maybe an inch, not
counting finnage), and he still bosses the tank. Although currently
"dwarfed" by the 2 dwarf gouramis, he acts totally unafraid and
investigates everything in the tank. He even nibbles my arm and
fingers when I am doing stuff in the tank. Trying to see if I'm
edible, I think. He's never acted afraid - always "Mr. Pushy." I can
see how even small angels could get to fighting sometimes - they can be
quite the characters. Good luck with your remaining two.

- Lisa

[Dan White]

"Lisa" > wrote in message
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> I have one juvenile angel (nickel-sized body - maybe an inch, not
> counting finnage), and he still bosses the tank. Although currently
> "dwarfed" by the 2 dwarf gouramis, he acts totally unafraid and
> investigates everything in the tank. He even nibbles my arm and
> fingers when I am doing stuff in the tank. Trying to see if I'm
> edible, I think. He's never acted afraid - always "Mr. Pushy." I can
> see how even small angels could get to fighting sometimes - they can be
> quite the characters. Good luck with your remaining two.
>
> - Lisa
>

Thanks. When we vacuum the gravel and a bit of gravel goes up and down the
tube as I siphon, the 2 angels fly up and down that tube trying to get at
it. Very active fish. I guess they will slow down as they get bigger.

dwhite