New idea....scrapping epoxy and silicone idea

[Squeek]

Hi!!!
I had another thought...

How safe is it to use that black pond liner siliconed down to the bottom and
sealed?....

My tank has supports on the bottom, so i'd have tosilicone the pond liner to
the bottom, and then add strips to the support, and then seal these with
silicone...i don't know whick silicone to go for...what would look better,
black silicone fade to grey, or clear silicone go cloudy white?

I can't think of anything else!!!..hope this is the jackpot...

Thanks for everyones suggestions in the previous posts!!! It was a great
help! :-)

[~Roy~]

I think you will find that polyurethane adhesives will work better and
last longer than any silicone product will. Once cured its non toxic.
Silicone used to be the best for the job in marine applicaitons, but
it has given way to the polyurethanes, which are far superior in every
way over silicones.

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 02:20:58 GMT, "Squeek" >
wrote:

>===<>Hi!!!
>===<>I had another thought...
>===<>
>===<>How safe is it to use that black pond liner siliconed down to the bottom and
>===<>sealed?....
>===<>
>===<>My tank has supports on the bottom, so i'd have tosilicone the pond liner to
>===<>the bottom, and then add strips to the support, and then seal these with
>===<>silicone...i don't know whick silicone to go for...what would look better,
>===<>black silicone fade to grey, or clear silicone go cloudy white?
>===<>
>===<>I can't think of anything else!!!..hope this is the jackpot...
>===<>
>===<>Thanks for everyones suggestions in the previous posts!!! It was a great
>===<>help! :-)
>===<>


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[Richard Sexton]

In article >,
Squeek > wrote:
>Hi!!!
>I had another thought...
>
>How safe is it to use that black pond liner siliconed down to the bottom and
>sealed?....

Eh. Probably safe. Probably. It'll go whitish grey though.

I'm not comfortable with plastics in aquaria to be honest.

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[Richard Sexton]

In article >,
~Roy~ > wrote:
>I think you will find that polyurethane adhesives will work better and
>last longer than any silicone product will. Once cured its non toxic.
>Silicone used to be the best for the job in marine applicaitons, but
>it has given way to the polyurethanes, which are far superior in every
>way over silicones.

Huh? I agree urethanes are pretty handy but I can't say I've ever sen
a tank glued together with them.

Siliocne does a lousy job on plastics though. You could never make
an acrylic tank with it as a glue.


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[Charles]

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 04:42:26 GMT, (Richard Sexton)
wrote:

>In article >,
>~Roy~ > wrote:
>>I think you will find that polyurethane adhesives will work better and
>>last longer than any silicone product will. Once cured its non toxic.
>>Silicone used to be the best for the job in marine applicaitons, but
>>it has given way to the polyurethanes, which are far superior in every
>>way over silicones.
>
>Huh? I agree urethanes are pretty handy but I can't say I've ever sen
>a tank glued together with them.
>
>Siliocne does a lousy job on plastics though. You could never make
>an acrylic tank with it as a glue.


Brings to mind a site that I had forgotten about:

http://www.thistothat.com/


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[Elaine T]

Squeek wrote:
> Hi!!!
> I had another thought...
>
> How safe is it to use that black pond liner siliconed down to the bottom and
> sealed?....
>
> My tank has supports on the bottom, so i'd have tosilicone the pond liner to
> the bottom, and then add strips to the support, and then seal these with
> silicone...i don't know whick silicone to go for...what would look better,
> black silicone fade to grey, or clear silicone go cloudy white?
>
> I can't think of anything else!!!..hope this is the jackpot...
>
> Thanks for everyones suggestions in the previous posts!!! It was a great
> help! :-)
>
>
I can tell you from personal experience that aquarium silicone does not
stick to EPDM pond liner. In fact, I haven't found anything fish and
water safe that does.

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><__'> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><

[Squeek]

oh bugger.....
i could keep it down with rocks and stuff i guess......grrrr.....i thought i
got over this obstacle.....
"Elaine T" > wrote in message
om...
> Squeek wrote:
>> Hi!!!
>> I had another thought...
>>
>> How safe is it to use that black pond liner siliconed down to the bottom
>> and sealed?....
>>
>> My tank has supports on the bottom, so i'd have tosilicone the pond liner
>> to the bottom, and then add strips to the support, and then seal these
>> with silicone...i don't know whick silicone to go for...what would look
>> better, black silicone fade to grey, or clear silicone go cloudy white?
>>
>> I can't think of anything else!!!..hope this is the jackpot...
>>
>> Thanks for everyones suggestions in the previous posts!!! It was a great
>> help! :-)
> I can tell you from personal experience that aquarium silicone does not
> stick to EPDM pond liner. In fact, I haven't found anything fish and
> water safe that does.
>
> --
> __ Elaine T __
> ><__'> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><

[Squeek]

Elaine....I dont know if this helps but i found joining kits for EPDM
rubber......
I suppose these things do stick to the pond liner
http://www.rockaroundtheblock.com.au/categories.asp?cID=36&c=9353

"Elaine T" > wrote in message
om...
> Squeek wrote:
>> Hi!!!
>> I had another thought...
>>
>> How safe is it to use that black pond liner siliconed down to the bottom
>> and sealed?....
>>
>> My tank has supports on the bottom, so i'd have tosilicone the pond liner
>> to the bottom, and then add strips to the support, and then seal these
>> with silicone...i don't know whick silicone to go for...what would look
>> better, black silicone fade to grey, or clear silicone go cloudy white?
>>
>> I can't think of anything else!!!..hope this is the jackpot...
>>
>> Thanks for everyones suggestions in the previous posts!!! It was a great
>> help! :-)
> I can tell you from personal experience that aquarium silicone does not
> stick to EPDM pond liner. In fact, I haven't found anything fish and
> water safe that does.
>
> --
> __ Elaine T __
> ><__'> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><

[Richard Sexton]

>>Huh? I agree urethanes are pretty handy but I can't say I've ever sen
>>a tank glued together with them.
>>
>>Siliocne does a lousy job on plastics though. You could never make
>>an acrylic tank with it as a glue.
>
>
>Brings to mind a site that I had forgotten about:
>
>http://www.thistothat.com/

Looks like bad advice to me. For bonding glass to glass they give
you several choices, none of which are silicone which is all you
will ever see an all glass tank glued with.

I would be in fear for my life if I had a large glass tank
held together by the things they suggest. Never mind they've
been tried 40 years ago and found not to work (by R.P.L Staughn
in the book _The Sal****er Aquarium in the home_) and were the
reeason he decided to try the then-new silicone which changed the
face of the fish and especially marine, hobby.



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[Richard Sexton]

In article >,
Squeek > wrote:
>oh bugger.....
>i could keep it down with rocks and stuff i guess......grrrr.....i thought i
>got over this obstacle.....

Close. I suspect what you want realy is dark cork panels that were
so (ugly yet) popular in the 1970s. You can silicone it to the bottom
(and back) of your tank and is safe... and dark.

It's been a popular material to glue to the back inside of a tank
in Europe for decades.

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[Elaine T]

Squeek wrote:
> Elaine....I dont know if this helps but i found joining kits for EPDM
> rubber......
> I suppose these things do stick to the pond liner
> http://www.rockaroundtheblock.com.au/categories.asp?cID=36&c=9353
>
You know, I've seen rolls of pond liner patch with adhesive on one side.
That might work on the bottom of your tank, and the adhesive is
waterproof, fish safe, and very sticky. Pond liner does look black
underwater.

I'm trying to line spillways in a pond and having a terrible time
sticking pond liner to pond liner even with pond liner seam tape so
thanks for the link! I hadn't seen the primer before and that may make
the difference.

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><__'> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><

[Squeek]

I heard that cork releases tannins into the water...and over time can wreak
hovok on the ph...i remember seeing cork out of wine bottles left in creeks
and stuff...they do tend to swell and go yukky over time
"Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Squeek > wrote:
>>oh bugger.....
>>i could keep it down with rocks and stuff i guess......grrrr.....i thought
>>i
>>got over this obstacle.....
>
> Close. I suspect what you want realy is dark cork panels that were
> so (ugly yet) popular in the 1970s. You can silicone it to the bottom
> (and back) of your tank and is safe... and dark.
>
> It's been a popular material to glue to the back inside of a tank
> in Europe for decades.
>
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[Richard Sexton]

In article >,
Squeek > wrote:
>I heard that cork releases tannins into the water...and over time can wreak
>hovok on the ph...i remember seeing cork out of wine bottles left in creeks
>and stuff...they do tend to swell and go yukky over time

If you don't chnage water ever the water will be discolored for a while.

There are lots of illustrations in German magazines of tanks that have had
cork backgrounds for long period of time. They seem to be ok.


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