strange cycling data...

[anemone]

Hey everyone...

I started cycling my 750L on Saturday. I've been doing everything accrding
to the instructions, adding the ammonia everyday (been using seachems
ammonia alert as a guide) To my total amazment, my readings are....
NH3/4= 6.1
No2=0.3
No3=5-10
ph =7.2

Temp is 28c (81f)

Is this normal???

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Well, you need to provide more details like how long have you been at
it.

[anemone]

Um....i did.....since last Saturday!
> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Well, you need to provide more details like how long have you been at
> it.
>

[anemone]

Since this Saturday actually...(26th)
Water airated, running 2 aquaclear 500s, light from 7am-10:30pm, added cycle
to kick off, started with sterile tank, add 25ml of ammonia (48% ammonia)
every day..
umm...i don't know what more I can tell you.
"anemone" > wrote in message
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> Um....i did.....since last Saturday!
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> Well, you need to provide more details like how long have you been at
>> it.
>>
>
>

[Elaine T]

anemone wrote:
> Hey everyone...
>
> I started cycling my 750L on Saturday. I've been doing everything accrding
> to the instructions, adding the ammonia everyday (been using seachems
> ammonia alert as a guide) To my total amazment, my readings are....
> NH3/4= 6.1
> No2=0.3
> No3=5-10
> ph =7.2
>
> Temp is 28c (81f)
>
> Is this normal???
>
Did you test at the start and find 0 nitrate, or could there have been
some in your tapwater?

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[anemone]

yep....0
"Elaine T" > wrote in message
m...
> anemone wrote:
>> Hey everyone...
>>
>> I started cycling my 750L on Saturday. I've been doing everything
>> accrding to the instructions, adding the ammonia everyday (been using
>> seachems ammonia alert as a guide) To my total amazment, my readings
>> are....
>> NH3/4= 6.1
>> No2=0.3
>> No3=5-10
>> ph =7.2
>>
>> Temp is 28c (81f)
>>
>> Is this normal???
>>
> Did you test at the start and find 0 nitrate, or could there have been
> some in your tapwater?
>
> --
> __ Elaine T __
> ><__'> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><

[NetMax]

"anemone" > wrote in message
...
> Hey everyone...
>
> I started cycling my 750L on Saturday. I've been doing everything
> accrding to the instructions, adding the ammonia everyday (been using
> seachems ammonia alert as a guide) To my total amazment, my readings
> are....
> NH3/4= 6.1
> No2=0.3
> No3=5-10
> ph =7.2
>
> Temp is 28c (81f)
>
> Is this normal???
>
> --
> See my beautiful fish at:
> http://www.petfish.net/gallery/Squeek



Nope, not normal, and the give-away is the NO2. I would definitely stop
adding ammonia.and let the system settle down, but overall, it looks like
something was not as sterile as you thought ;~).

Is this tank in a fishroom? I suspect that the concentration of airborne
nitrifying bacteria in fishrooms is much higher than typical.
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www.NetMax.tk

[anemone]

No...the tank isnt in a fishroom...its in my room. I do have a 40L betta
tank and my goldfish are in a kids pool in tha same room.....

How long do i let the system settle.....ive fishless cycled heaps of times
and this hasn't happened,,,

First time for everything ;-)
"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> "anemone" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hey everyone...
>>
>> I started cycling my 750L on Saturday. I've been doing everything
>> accrding to the instructions, adding the ammonia everyday (been using
>> seachems ammonia alert as a guide) To my total amazment, my readings
>> are....
>> NH3/4= 6.1
>> No2=0.3
>> No3=5-10
>> ph =7.2
>>
>> Temp is 28c (81f)
>>
>> Is this normal???
>>
>> --
>> See my beautiful fish at:
>> http://www.petfish.net/gallery/Squeek
>
>
>
> Nope, not normal, and the give-away is the NO2. I would definitely stop
> adding ammonia.and let the system settle down, but overall, it looks like
> something was not as sterile as you thought ;~).
>
> Is this tank in a fishroom? I suspect that the concentration of airborne
> nitrifying bacteria in fishrooms is much higher than typical.
> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>

[Jim Anderson]

In article >,
says...
> "anemone" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hey everyone...
> >
> > I started cycling my 750L on Saturday. I've been doing everything
> > accrding to the instructions, adding the ammonia everyday (been using
> > seachems ammonia alert as a guide) To my total amazment, my readings
> > are....
> > NH3/4= 6.1
> > No2=0.3
> > No3=5-10
> > ph =7.2
> >
> > Temp is 28c (81f)
> >
> > Is this normal???
> >
> > --
> > See my beautiful fish at:
> > http://www.petfish.net/gallery/Squeek
>
>
>
> Nope, not normal, and the give-away is the NO2. I would definitely stop
> adding ammonia.and let the system settle down, but overall, it looks like
> something was not as sterile as you thought ;~).
>
> Is this tank in a fishroom? I suspect that the concentration of airborne
> nitrifying bacteria in fishrooms is much higher than typical.
>

In a previous post to this thread he "added cycle to kick off" but did
not say how much. If he followed directions, and the Cycle bottle was
fresh, he should have a fully cycled tank in 24 hours.

--
Jim Anderson
( 8(|) To email me just pull my_finger

[NetMax]

"Jim Anderson" > wrote in message
et...
> In article >,
> says...
>> "anemone" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Hey everyone...
>> >
>> > I started cycling my 750L on Saturday. I've been doing everything
>> > accrding to the instructions, adding the ammonia everyday (been
>> > using
>> > seachems ammonia alert as a guide) To my total amazment, my readings
>> > are....
>> > NH3/4= 6.1
>> > No2=0.3
>> > No3=5-10
>> > ph =7.2
>> >
>> > Temp is 28c (81f)
>> >
>> > Is this normal???
>> >
>> > --
>> > See my beautiful fish at:
>> > http://www.petfish.net/gallery/Squeek
>>
>>
>>
>> Nope, not normal, and the give-away is the NO2. I would definitely
>> stop
>> adding ammonia.and let the system settle down, but overall, it looks
>> like
>> something was not as sterile as you thought ;~).
>>
>> Is this tank in a fishroom? I suspect that the concentration of
>> airborne
>> nitrifying bacteria in fishrooms is much higher than typical.
>>
>
> In a previous post to this thread he "added cycle to kick off" but did
> not say how much. If he followed directions, and the Cycle bottle was
> fresh, he should have a fully cycled tank in 24 hours.


I didn't think that the addition of Cycle was very pertinent (based on my
familiarity with this product) however it's possible that Hagen has
revised the recipe, and increased its effectiveness. I won't make any
snap judgements either way, but currently the only bacteria starter which
has a reputation for working in 24 hours is Bio-Spira.
--
www.NetMax.tk

> --
> Jim Anderson
> ( 8(|) To email me just pull my_finger

[NetMax]

It settles when the NH3 and NO2 is zero. Based on your numbers, it
shouldn't take too long (a week?). Definitely keep us posted.
--
www.NetMax.tk

"anemone" > wrote in message
...
> No...the tank isnt in a fishroom...its in my room. I do have a 40L
> betta tank and my goldfish are in a kids pool in tha same room.....
>
> How long do i let the system settle.....ive fishless cycled heaps of
> times and this hasn't happened,,,
>
> First time for everything ;-)
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "anemone" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hey everyone...
>>>
>>> I started cycling my 750L on Saturday. I've been doing everything
>>> accrding to the instructions, adding the ammonia everyday (been using
>>> seachems ammonia alert as a guide) To my total amazment, my readings
>>> are....
>>> NH3/4= 6.1
>>> No2=0.3
>>> No3=5-10
>>> ph =7.2
>>>
>>> Temp is 28c (81f)
>>>
>>> Is this normal???
>>>
>>> --
>>> See my beautiful fish at:
>>> http://www.petfish.net/gallery/Squeek
>>
>>
>>
>> Nope, not normal, and the give-away is the NO2. I would definitely
>> stop adding ammonia.and let the system settle down, but overall, it
>> looks like something was not as sterile as you thought ;~).
>>
>> Is this tank in a fishroom? I suspect that the concentration of
>> airborne nitrifying bacteria in fishrooms is much higher than typical.
>> --
>> www.NetMax.tk
>>
>
>

[anemone]

I got the double strength cycle...and added a double dose on day 1
I think i "sneezed" when i added the ammonia....(way too much),,,,i guess i
have been doing alot of things backwards lately.... :-)

"NetMax" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Jim Anderson" > wrote in message
> et...
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>> "anemone" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > Hey everyone...
>>> >
>>> > I started cycling my 750L on Saturday. I've been doing everything
>>> > accrding to the instructions, adding the ammonia everyday (been using
>>> > seachems ammonia alert as a guide) To my total amazment, my readings
>>> > are....
>>> > NH3/4= 6.1
>>> > No2=0.3
>>> > No3=5-10
>>> > ph =7.2
>>> >
>>> > Temp is 28c (81f)
>>> >
>>> > Is this normal???
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > See my beautiful fish at:
>>> > http://www.petfish.net/gallery/Squeek
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, not normal, and the give-away is the NO2. I would definitely stop
>>> adding ammonia.and let the system settle down, but overall, it looks
>>> like
>>> something was not as sterile as you thought ;~).
>>>
>>> Is this tank in a fishroom? I suspect that the concentration of
>>> airborne
>>> nitrifying bacteria in fishrooms is much higher than typical.
>>>
>>
>> In a previous post to this thread he "added cycle to kick off" but did
>> not say how much. If he followed directions, and the Cycle bottle was
>> fresh, he should have a fully cycled tank in 24 hours.
>
>
> I didn't think that the addition of Cycle was very pertinent (based on my
> familiarity with this product) however it's possible that Hagen has
> revised the recipe, and increased its effectiveness. I won't make any
> snap judgements either way, but currently the only bacteria starter which
> has a reputation for working in 24 hours is Bio-Spira.
> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>
>> --
>> Jim Anderson
>> ( 8(|) To email me just pull my_finger
>
>

[anemone]

Readings for today are
NH3/4=6.1 (its as high as the test will go)
N02=0.8-1.3
N03=10-20
Ph low=7.8
Ph high=8

"anemone" > wrote in message
...
>I got the double strength cycle...and added a double dose on day 1
> I think i "sneezed" when i added the ammonia....(way too much),,,,i guess
> i have been doing alot of things backwards lately.... :-)
>
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "Jim Anderson" > wrote in message
>> et...
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>> "anemone" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > Hey everyone...
>>>> >
>>>> > I started cycling my 750L on Saturday. I've been doing everything
>>>> > accrding to the instructions, adding the ammonia everyday (been using
>>>> > seachems ammonia alert as a guide) To my total amazment, my readings
>>>> > are....
>>>> > NH3/4= 6.1
>>>> > No2=0.3
>>>> > No3=5-10
>>>> > ph =7.2
>>>> >
>>>> > Temp is 28c (81f)
>>>> >
>>>> > Is this normal???
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > See my beautiful fish at:
>>>> > http://www.petfish.net/gallery/Squeek
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope, not normal, and the give-away is the NO2. I would definitely
>>>> stop
>>>> adding ammonia.and let the system settle down, but overall, it looks
>>>> like
>>>> something was not as sterile as you thought ;~).
>>>>
>>>> Is this tank in a fishroom? I suspect that the concentration of
>>>> airborne
>>>> nitrifying bacteria in fishrooms is much higher than typical.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In a previous post to this thread he "added cycle to kick off" but did
>>> not say how much. If he followed directions, and the Cycle bottle was
>>> fresh, he should have a fully cycled tank in 24 hours.
>>
>>
>> I didn't think that the addition of Cycle was very pertinent (based on my
>> familiarity with this product) however it's possible that Hagen has
>> revised the recipe, and increased its effectiveness. I won't make any
>> snap judgements either way, but currently the only bacteria starter which
>> has a reputation for working in 24 hours is Bio-Spira.
>> --
>> www.NetMax.tk
>>
>>> --
>>> Jim Anderson
>>> ( 8(|) To email me just pull my_finger
>>
>>
>
>

[Gfishery]

"anemone" > wrote in message
...
> NH3/4= 6.1

I am curious what color your Seachem Ammonia Alert indicator is with this
level of Ammonia.
(I believe it only measures free Ammonia, not total Ammonia)

My Ammonia Alert was grey during cycling, then the water started clearing
up, and the indicator has been yellow (safe) ever since.

I test the indicator occasionally over a bottle of Windex, and it goes
through the entire spectrum of colors and turns dark blue in about 30
seconds, so I believe it is working.

[anemone]

Its dark blue at the moment.
"Gfishery" > wrote in message
...
>
> "anemone" > wrote in message
> ...
>> NH3/4= 6.1
>
> I am curious what color your Seachem Ammonia Alert indicator is with this
> level of Ammonia.
> (I believe it only measures free Ammonia, not total Ammonia)
>
> My Ammonia Alert was grey during cycling, then the water started clearing
> up, and the indicator has been yellow (safe) ever since.
>
> I test the indicator occasionally over a bottle of Windex, and it goes
> through the entire spectrum of colors and turns dark blue in about 30
> seconds, so I believe it is working.
>
>
>
>

[anemone]

Are there any tests that measure above 6.1...
Can i do a water change of say 40% to knock down levels?
"Gfishery" > wrote in message
...
>
> "anemone" > wrote in message
> ...
>> NH3/4= 6.1
>
> I am curious what color your Seachem Ammonia Alert indicator is with this
> level of Ammonia.
> (I believe it only measures free Ammonia, not total Ammonia)
>
> My Ammonia Alert was grey during cycling, then the water started clearing
> up, and the indicator has been yellow (safe) ever since.
>
> I test the indicator occasionally over a bottle of Windex, and it goes
> through the entire spectrum of colors and turns dark blue in about 30
> seconds, so I believe it is working.
>
>
>
>

[Gfishery]

anemone wrote:
> Are there any tests that measure above 6.1...
> Can i do a water change of say 40% to knock down levels?

I think the Ammonia Alert indicator registers TOXIC (dark blue/purple)
after 0.5mg/L (please verify).
Is there a reason to ever have 6ppm Ammonia in any tank?

[blue sky]

The ammonia alert only detects free ammonia, not total ammonia. My alert is
on yellow (safe) while my kit reads ammonia @ 2.4ppm

usually a reading over 6 is experienced in fishless cycling as a spike.
"Gfishery" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> anemone wrote:
>> Are there any tests that measure above 6.1...
>> Can i do a water change of say 40% to knock down levels?
>
> I think the Ammonia Alert indicator registers TOXIC (dark blue/purple)
> after 0.5mg/L (please verify).
> Is there a reason to ever have 6ppm Ammonia in any tank?
>