How many clownfish

[Nick Buol]

How many clownfish make a good number? The reason I ask is that we
added 3 perculas to our 75 gallon, and for the first 4 days, they all
swam together, but now, it looks like 2 of them "paired" up and the
other looks so lonely. What should I do? Get another clownfish? Get
rid of the "extra" clownfish?

Thoughts? Ideas?

Nick

[Joe Fisher]

Sand, I can't speak for Nick, but for me at least, not all posts show up. So
I may not know that a subject was discussed recently.:-)
--
Joe Fisher
Teacher, K-8
Kalispell, MT
"Sand ******" > wrote in message
...
> Why not read the other posts? This was review just recently.
>
> "Nick Buol" > wrote in message
> ...
> How many clownfish make a good number?

[Nick Buol]

This seems to be exactly what happened. A few days ago, or whenever
the other posts were posted, I did not have this question, and now
today, the other posts are no longer stored at my news provider.


On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:36:13 -0600, "Joe Fisher"
> wrote:

>Sand, I can't speak for Nick, but for me at least, not all posts show up. So
>I may not know that a subject was discussed recently.:-)

[Nick Buol]

So, will the one always be a "loner?" Or will he start socializing
again? You are right that the largest and second largest (not by
much, though) have "paired."

Nick


On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:39:13 -0500, "Adam" > wrote:

>
>"Nick Buol" > wrote in message
...
>> How many clownfish make a good number? The reason I ask is that we
>> added 3 perculas to our 75 gallon, and for the first 4 days, they all
>> swam together, but now, it looks like 2 of them "paired" up and the
>> other looks so lonely. What should I do? Get another clownfish? Get
>> rid of the "extra" clownfish?
>>
>> Thoughts? Ideas?
>>
>> Nick
>
>My guess would be that the two that paired up would be the larger of the
>three (maybe). What is probably going on is that you will soon have a
>female, a male and a juvenile (the one by itself being the juv and still
>unsexed). They should all be ok together. If you add more they might not
>get along because the new one might try to break the hierarchy that from
>what you are saying has already been established. Also if one of the new
>ones that you get is already sexed (not really any way to tell), You will
>most likely wake up to one or more floaters.
>
>I'm pretty new here but Clowns are my thing. The rest of you folks here may
>now check my FIRST attempt at being the helper instead of the helpie.
>

[Robert]

No. Your newsreader is deleting them. Reset the message history.

"Nick Buol" > wrote in message
...
I did a search for all posts on clownfish, by my news provider had
already deleted any other posts on the subject.

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:30:13 GMT, "Sand ******" >
wrote:

>Why not read the other posts? This was review just recently.
>
>"Nick Buol" > wrote in message
...
>How many clownfish make a good number? The reason I ask is that we
>added 3 perculas to our 75 gallon, and for the first 4 days, they all
>swam together, but now, it looks like 2 of them "paired" up and the
>other looks so lonely. What should I do? Get another clownfish? Get
>rid of the "extra" clownfish?
>
>Thoughts? Ideas?
>
>Nick
>

[Nick Buol]

No, my news provider no longer has them. I already tried resetting
themessage history, and I went as far as deleting the entire newsgroup
, closing my reader, opening it back up, downloaded all of the
newsgroups again, subscribed, got all messages for the newsgroup, and
yes, there are more messages now, but none about clownfish, except
some message about spawning clownfish.

Thanks anyway. I wish you were right.

Nick

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 04:05:35 GMT, "Robert" > wrote:

>No. Your newsreader is deleting them. Reset the message history.
>
>"Nick Buol" > wrote in message
...
>I did a search for all posts on clownfish, by my news provider had
>already deleted any other posts on the subject.
>
>On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:30:13 GMT, "Sand ******" >
>wrote:
>
>>Why not read the other posts? This was review just recently.
>>
>>"Nick Buol" > wrote in message
...
>>How many clownfish make a good number? The reason I ask is that we
>>added 3 perculas to our 75 gallon, and for the first 4 days, they all
>>swam together, but now, it looks like 2 of them "paired" up and the
>>other looks so lonely. What should I do? Get another clownfish? Get
>>rid of the "extra" clownfish?
>>
>>Thoughts? Ideas?
>>
>>Nick
>>
>

[Mort]

"Sand ******" > wrote in message
...
> Why not read the other posts? This was review just recently.
>

If it were reviewed just recently, the word clownfish was not in the
subject.
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=clownfish&btnG=Goo
gle+Search&meta=group%3Drec.aquaria.marine.reefs

However, the word "troll" came up several times...

~Mort

[Richard Reynolds]

> I'm pretty new here but Clowns are my thing. The rest of you folks here may
> now check my FIRST attempt at being the helper instead of the helpie.


congrats

--
Richard Reynolds

[Richard Reynolds]

there is this tool called groups.google.com

and if you have some bad feelings about google, there are others :)

however ill answer it in another post at the . of this thread
--
Richard Reynolds

[Richard Reynolds]

"Nick Buol" > wrote in message
...
> So, will the one always be a "loner?" Or will he start socializing
> again? You are right that the largest and second largest (not by
> much, though) have "paired."
>
> Nick

you didnt give us enough information, what you really need to do is tell us how long they
have been in the tank. and about how big they are. however

you can only have 1 female clown
you can only have 1 male clown
you can have as many juv clowns as you feel like

for any reason you dont have one of the following these rules will apply

if you dont have a female and you do have a male it will change to a female
if you dont have a female or a male then the juv will convert to a female
if you have a female and dont have a male a juv will convert to a male
if you dont have either a male or a female one will convert to a female then another will
convert to a male
what ever is left stays a juv

if however

if you have a male and add a male it will be a fight to the death
if you have a female and add a female it will be a fight to the death
juv's dont really fight for teratory only upgrading to a male/female

this will take some time and the selection is usually domanance in a few instances a death
occurs in picking dominance


I hope i havent left anything out, its been posted a few times over the last few months,
and my "table" is getting better looking/organized, one of these days ill setup a few
responses for these kinds of questions but for now I retype them each time there needed.

--
Richard Reynolds

[Nick Buol]

I thought that it was obvious at the time that I wrote the original
message, but you are right, it may not be. We have had these guys for
6 days. My original message talks about the first 4 days, and that
"now" they are set as a pair and a loner. I wasn't specific as to how
many days "now" included. Sorry for that.

There is 1 that is distinctly bigger than the others, female.

Then the two smaller ones are really close in size, but the one that
has "paired" up with the female is the larger of those two as well.

These guys are still fairly small at around 1.5 inches each, with the
female being just slightly larger in length.


On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:40:54 -0700, "Richard Reynolds"
> wrote:

>"Nick Buol" > wrote in message
...
>> So, will the one always be a "loner?" Or will he start socializing
>> again? You are right that the largest and second largest (not by
>> much, though) have "paired."
>>
>> Nick
>
>you didnt give us enough information, what you really need to do is tell us how long they
>have been in the tank. and about how big they are. however
>
>you can only have 1 female clown
>you can only have 1 male clown
>you can have as many juv clowns as you feel like
>
>for any reason you dont have one of the following these rules will apply
>
>if you dont have a female and you do have a male it will change to a female
>if you dont have a female or a male then the juv will convert to a female
>if you have a female and dont have a male a juv will convert to a male
>if you dont have either a male or a female one will convert to a female then another will
>convert to a male
>what ever is left stays a juv
>
>if however
>
>if you have a male and add a male it will be a fight to the death
>if you have a female and add a female it will be a fight to the death
>juv's dont really fight for teratory only upgrading to a male/female
>
>this will take some time and the selection is usually domanance in a few instances a death
>occurs in picking dominance
>
>
>I hope i havent left anything out, its been posted a few times over the last few months,
>and my "table" is getting better looking/organized, one of these days ill setup a few
>responses for these kinds of questions but for now I retype them each time there needed.

[Adam]

"Mort" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> "Sand ******" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Why not read the other posts? This was review just recently.
> >
>
> If it were reviewed just recently, the word clownfish was not in the
> subject.
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=clownfish&btnG=Goo
> gle+Search&meta=group%3Drec.aquaria.marine.reefs
>
> However, the word "troll" came up several times...
>

Someone tell me what "troll" means. Is it a bad thing?

Thanks

Ed

[Teeb]

On the chance that you are seriously asking.. a *troll* is someone who
intentionally posts a note in order to.. well.. just generally **** everyone
else off on a newsgroup. Usually it's an inflammatory remark based on the
subject of the newsgroup. For example, I have pet rabbits.. we're talking
real housepets, they are not in hutches out in the back yard.. I post on a
newsgroup about house rabbits. Every so often some idiot will come in asking
for recipes.. and of course there are always the other idiots who KNOW what
is going on but just cannot contain themselves and just simply MUST respond
about how sick this person is etc etc... In this group it is often someone
extolling the virtues of using live fish to cycle tanks.

Teeb



"Adam" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mort" > wrote in message
> . com...
> >
> > "Sand ******" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Why not read the other posts? This was review just recently.
> > >
> >
> > If it were reviewed just recently, the word clownfish was not in the
> > subject.
> >
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=clownfish&btnG=Goo
> > gle+Search&meta=group%3Drec.aquaria.marine.reefs
> >
> > However, the word "troll" came up several times...
> >
>
> Someone tell me what "troll" means. Is it a bad thing?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ed
>
>

[Adam]

The size thing is based on dominance (the one with the biggest bite wins).
It's not always correct because being the biggest don't make you the
toughest. However it is usually the case. My guess would be that the loner
will probably remain a loner for the most part unless you have a death in
which case it will step up in the chain as Richard was saying. You could
also add some other kinds of community fish and it might swim with them. I
just added a Tang to my set of clowns and they both seem to get along
pretty good with it. If you do decide on a Tang though you will need a
larger tank and it should be added as your last "type" of fish due to its
aggression. There are plenty of other fish that will go fine with the
clowns though. Just go to your LFS and see what they keep in the same tank
with their clowns. And ask questions before you buy anything. Hope this
helps some.

Ed

"Nick Buol" > wrote in message
...
> So, will the one always be a "loner?" Or will he start socializing
> again? You are right that the largest and second largest (not by
> much, though) have "paired."
>
> Nick
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:39:13 -0500, "Adam" > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Nick Buol" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> How many clownfish make a good number? The reason I ask is that we
> >> added 3 perculas to our 75 gallon, and for the first 4 days, they all
> >> swam together, but now, it looks like 2 of them "paired" up and the
> >> other looks so lonely. What should I do? Get another clownfish? Get
> >> rid of the "extra" clownfish?
> >>
> >> Thoughts? Ideas?
> >>
> >> Nick
> >
> >My guess would be that the two that paired up would be the larger of the
> >three (maybe). What is probably going on is that you will soon have a
> >female, a male and a juvenile (the one by itself being the juv and still
> >unsexed). They should all be ok together. If you add more they might
not
> >get along because the new one might try to break the hierarchy that from
> >what you are saying has already been established. Also if one of the new
> >ones that you get is already sexed (not really any way to tell), You will
> >most likely wake up to one or more floaters.
> >
> >I'm pretty new here but Clowns are my thing. The rest of you folks here
may
> >now check my FIRST attempt at being the helper instead of the helpie.
> >
>

[Adam]

"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
news:rVS7b.48521$Qy4.45803@fed1read05...
> > I'm pretty new here but Clowns are my thing. The rest of you folks here
may
> > now check my FIRST attempt at being the helper instead of the helpie.
>
>
> congrats
>
> --
> Richard Reynolds
>
>


Thank you. If anyone here sees me post something that they don't agree with
be sure to correct it as I am somewhat new to this hobby but learning
everything I can every chance I get. My goal is to become the Clown Fish
Expert of the bunch. Got a ways to go but I'm working on it.

Ed

[Adam]

Ok then. Yes I was serious. Everything I post on the group is serious. I
though that due to the way he answered that it might be someone that just
sits back and watches and don't try to add anything. I thought that I was
one there for awhile but know that I am not due to your reply. I just sent
out a post asking for info on how to get to a certain group and put my
reason for asking as "I'm fairly new to newsgroups all together". Thanks
for clearing that up for me.

Ed

"Teeb" > wrote in message
...
> On the chance that you are seriously asking.. a *troll* is someone who
> intentionally posts a note in order to.. well.. just generally ****
everyone
> else off on a newsgroup. Usually it's an inflammatory remark based on the
> subject of the newsgroup. For example, I have pet rabbits.. we're talking
> real housepets, they are not in hutches out in the back yard.. I post on a
> newsgroup about house rabbits. Every so often some idiot will come in
asking
> for recipes.. and of course there are always the other idiots who KNOW
what
> is going on but just cannot contain themselves and just simply MUST
respond
> about how sick this person is etc etc... In this group it is often someone
> extolling the virtues of using live fish to cycle tanks.
>
> Teeb
>
>
>
> "Adam" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Mort" > wrote in message
> > . com...
> > >
> > > "Sand ******" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Why not read the other posts? This was review just recently.
> > > >
> > >
> > > If it were reviewed just recently, the word clownfish was not in the
> > > subject.
> > >
> >
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=clownfish&btnG=Goo
> > > gle+Search&meta=group%3Drec.aquaria.marine.reefs
> > >
> > > However, the word "troll" came up several times...
> > >
> >
> > Someone tell me what "troll" means. Is it a bad thing?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
>
>

[CapFusion]

> Thank you. If anyone here sees me post something that they don't agree
with
> be sure to correct it as I am somewhat new to this hobby but learning
> everything I can every chance I get. My goal is to become the Clown Fish
> Expert of the bunch. Got a ways to go but I'm working on it.
>
> Ed
>


You can be the "Clown King" or "Clown Master" when you graduate.

CapFusion,...

[Adam]

"CapFusion" > wrote in message
...
>
> > Thank you. If anyone here sees me post something that they don't agree
> with
> > be sure to correct it as I am somewhat new to this hobby but learning
> > everything I can every chance I get. My goal is to become the Clown
Fish
> > Expert of the bunch. Got a ways to go but I'm working on it.
> >
> > Ed
> >
>
>
> You can be the "Clown King" or "Clown Master" when you graduate.
>
> CapFusion,...
>
Cool!!! Uh wait a minute. Graduate from what? Or should I ask? :-)

[CapFusion]

> Cool!!! Uh wait a minute. Graduate from what? Or should I ask? :-)

Reef

CapFusion,...