Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! This is really annoying me!

[marcos]

HI everyone
in the years of keeping fish including goldfish, i have experienced
this problem over n over again in goldfish that is. whenever they have
swimbladder difficulties, u know i do the usual:feed peas,starve it
for 3 days,strict pea diet,keep in shallow water,salt bath,etc.. But
whenever i put a swibladder sufferer or ex-sufferer back into the
tank, it still goes up to the surface and go sideways or
upsidedown!eventho i havent fed it anything yet!they go sideways after
the feeding time and i even havent given them food. ("them":referring
to the various goldies i have kept since i was nine or ten yrs old).so
whats the problem? only one isnt like that at all n thats my red
oranda who has never had problems. its always the egg-shaped ones.

[bettasngoldfish]

What is your nitrate level in the main tank?

[blue sky]

swim bladder can be aggravated by cold temp in water. Slowly bring the temp
up (1degree per hour) up to about 25-26 degrees c.
"marcos" > wrote in message
om...
> HI everyone
> in the years of keeping fish including goldfish, i have experienced
> this problem over n over again in goldfish that is. whenever they have
> swimbladder difficulties, u know i do the usual:feed peas,starve it
> for 3 days,strict pea diet,keep in shallow water,salt bath,etc.. But
> whenever i put a swibladder sufferer or ex-sufferer back into the
> tank, it still goes up to the surface and go sideways or
> upsidedown!eventho i havent fed it anything yet!they go sideways after
> the feeding time and i even havent given them food. ("them":referring
> to the various goldies i have kept since i was nine or ten yrs old).so
> whats the problem? only one isnt like that at all n thats my red
> oranda who has never had problems. its always the egg-shaped ones.

[Tom L. La Bron]

Macros,

As you have found, swim bladder problems are always going to be there no
matter what you do. A lot of research as been on the subject and the
results that usually come of the search is that once it starts to float it
will continue. The damage can never be reversed so the fish will continue
to live in an up right position. Anyone, and I mean, any one that tells you
any different does not know what they are talking about.

I have found it is best to just give up and dispose of the fish. How you do
that is up to you, but for your own mental health it is just better to get
rid of the fish.

This position sounds hard, but it is just the best possible way of handling
it, unless you just want to play with the situation for the rest of fish's
life.

Tom L.L.
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"marcos" > wrote in message
om...
> HI everyone
> in the years of keeping fish including goldfish, i have experienced
> this problem over n over again in goldfish that is. whenever they have
> swimbladder difficulties, u know i do the usual:feed peas,starve it
> for 3 days,strict pea diet,keep in shallow water,salt bath,etc.. But
> whenever i put a swibladder sufferer or ex-sufferer back into the
> tank, it still goes up to the surface and go sideways or
> upsidedown!eventho i havent fed it anything yet!they go sideways after
> the feeding time and i even havent given them food. ("them":referring
> to the various goldies i have kept since i was nine or ten yrs old).so
> whats the problem? only one isnt like that at all n thats my red
> oranda who has never had problems. its always the egg-shaped ones.

[buzzsaw]

Is this true?

My fish has been upside down for months. I tried the peas and other
suggestions that people have but he has not seemed to get any better?

Dispose of him?


"Tom L. La Bron" > wrote in message
...
> Macros,
>
> As you have found, swim bladder problems are always going to be there no
> matter what you do. A lot of research as been on the subject and the
> results that usually come of the search is that once it starts to float it
> will continue. The damage can never be reversed so the fish will continue
> to live in an up right position. Anyone, and I mean, any one that tells
you
> any different does not know what they are talking about.
>
> I have found it is best to just give up and dispose of the fish. How you
do
> that is up to you, but for your own mental health it is just better to get
> rid of the fish.
>
> This position sounds hard, but it is just the best possible way of
handling
> it, unless you just want to play with the situation for the rest of fish's
> life.
>
> Tom L.L.
> ------------------------------------------------
> "marcos" > wrote in message
> om...
> > HI everyone
> > in the years of keeping fish including goldfish, i have experienced
> > this problem over n over again in goldfish that is. whenever they have
> > swimbladder difficulties, u know i do the usual:feed peas,starve it
> > for 3 days,strict pea diet,keep in shallow water,salt bath,etc.. But
> > whenever i put a swibladder sufferer or ex-sufferer back into the
> > tank, it still goes up to the surface and go sideways or
> > upsidedown!eventho i havent fed it anything yet!they go sideways after
> > the feeding time and i even havent given them food. ("them":referring
> > to the various goldies i have kept since i was nine or ten yrs old).so
> > whats the problem? only one isnt like that at all n thats my red
> > oranda who has never had problems. its always the egg-shaped ones.
>
>

[Lilly]

I've never seen a GF with swimbladder issues get better. Ever.

FWIW, by the time we notice the external signs of illness, often the
fish is already desperately ill. Unless it's something common like
whitespot (ick), you're pretty much doing a shotgun approach to cure
the fish and your efforts are frequently not successful despite what
you do or don't do.

Case in point. I purchased a dozen or so Otos and 3 baby Clown Loaches
a few weeks ago. Into a 20G quarrantine tank with big masses of Java
Fern and an established corner box filter. Both species don't take well
to "travelling." I'd gotten them direct from a friend who is a
wholesaler, thus cutting out one stop into the pathogens-from-hell
place, otherwise known as the local fish store.

Within a couple days the loaches were sliming and covered in ick. They
are notorious for it and I was watching closely. This happened,
literally, overnight. BIG water change, added QuickCure at the 1/2 dose
according to package instructions and w/in 3 days all three were dead.
Something as simple as ick should not do a fish in. But it did.

So then, how successful would one be with a fish who's internal organs
have been attacked and are now scarred? Probably not very much. Tom is
right. Save you and the fish a lot of grief and pick a euthanization
method that is kind to the fish and your psyche.

Meanwhile, the otos were never affected and have continued to gnaw
algae on the plants I put in that needed some cleaning up. :-) They
have one more week in "jail" and it's off to a lush tank.

Lilly