Persistent infection

[Deb]

I've been keeping orandas and ryukins for about 7 years now quite
successfully until recently. I got four new fish and within afew days there
was a velvet outbreak. I treated this successfully, then white spot broke
out. This cleared up and the velvet appeared again. Once again I got rid of
the velvet, but my red capdeveloped swim bladder disease and died within a
couple of days. The Panda oranda then developed mouth fungus which I started
treating, sadly to no avail. Of the remaining 2 fish, one has fin rot on its
tail, and both have mouth rot, although one is worse than the other, being
black rather than white. I have done water changes before changing each
treatment, and have been giving the fish salt water dips too. The Interpet
treatment for finrot and fungus has been applied twice (12ml every 7 days)
but so far there is little improvement. PH and nitrite levels are fine, any
suggestions what I should do?

[xkatx]

"Deb" > wrote in message
. uk...
> I've been keeping orandas and ryukins for about 7 years now quite
> successfully until recently. I got four new fish and within afew days
> there
> was a velvet outbreak. I treated this successfully, then white spot broke
> out. This cleared up and the velvet appeared again. Once again I got rid
> of
> the velvet, but my red capdeveloped swim bladder disease and died within a
> couple of days. The Panda oranda then developed mouth fungus which I
> started
> treating, sadly to no avail. Of the remaining 2 fish, one has fin rot on
> its
> tail, and both have mouth rot, although one is worse than the other, being
> black rather than white. I have done water changes before changing each
> treatment, and have been giving the fish salt water dips too. The Interpet
> treatment for finrot and fungus has been applied twice (12ml every 7 days)
> but so far there is little improvement. PH and nitrite levels are fine,
> any
> suggestions what I should do?

I've had similar problems with new fish having all sorts of problems that
can get to my other fish. I've been using this fish "dip" to clean them. I
just put a few drops of this orange antiseptic stuff in a container, put the
fish in for 15 seconds and then put the new fish in the tank right after. I
use this stuff on all my goldfish, as well as all my tropicals - any fish
I've bought from stores, wholesale or even fish from someone else - and I've
noticed a drastic decrease in problems like velvet and fin rot.
Most pet stores seem carry it, and almost every store specializing in fish
should have it. Just ask for the 'fish dip antiseptic' and you can get info
and a recommendation for the type of fish you have.
As far as trying to save your current fish, I don't know. You could try to
do a water change and treat the water for whatever it is you seem to have,
and try the antiseptic, if it's not too late. I'd recommend checking into
this antiseptic for the future, though, since it definitely has caused way
less issues for my healthy tanks with new fish.

[sophiefishstuff]

In message >, Deb
> writes
>I've been keeping orandas and ryukins for about 7 years now quite
>successfully until recently. I got four new fish and within afew days there
>was a velvet outbreak. I treated this successfully, then white spot broke
>out. This cleared up and the velvet appeared again. Once again I got rid of
>the velvet, but my red capdeveloped swim bladder disease and died within a
>couple of days. The Panda oranda then developed mouth fungus which I started
>treating, sadly to no avail. Of the remaining 2 fish, one has fin rot on its
>tail, and both have mouth rot, although one is worse than the other, being
>black rather than white. I have done water changes before changing each
>treatment, and have been giving the fish salt water dips too. The Interpet
>treatment for finrot and fungus has been applied twice (12ml every 7 days)
>but so far there is little improvement. PH and nitrite levels are fine, any
>suggestions what I should do?

I'm a big fan of treating sick fish with a daily water change of at
least 25%. I think especially if the medications haven't been working
then this would be worth trying, finrot is a bacterial infection and
it's very often a sign of a stressed fish. Pristine water is certainly
necessary, even if its not a cure. As I understand it, it will take a
time for the tissue to grow back, so as long as the rot isn't getting
any worse, you're ahead. But keep up the water changes.

(pretty much a newbie still, so you may want to take this with a pinch
of salt, if you'll pardon the pun)

--
sophie

www.freewebs.com/fishstuff
(under construction. ish.)

[sophiefishstuff]

In message <ElR8e.1062823$Xk.272316@pd7tw3no>, xkatx
> writes
>
>"Deb" > wrote in message
. uk...
>> I've been keeping orandas and ryukins for about 7 years now quite
>> successfully until recently. I got four new fish and within afew days
>> there
>> was a velvet outbreak. I treated this successfully, then white spot broke
>> out. This cleared up and the velvet appeared again. Once again I got rid
>> of
>> the velvet, but my red capdeveloped swim bladder disease and died within a
>> couple of days. The Panda oranda then developed mouth fungus which I
>> started
>> treating, sadly to no avail. Of the remaining 2 fish, one has fin rot on
>> its
>> tail, and both have mouth rot, although one is worse than the other, being
>> black rather than white. I have done water changes before changing each
>> treatment, and have been giving the fish salt water dips too. The Interpet
>> treatment for finrot and fungus has been applied twice (12ml every 7 days)
>> but so far there is little improvement. PH and nitrite levels are fine,
>> any
>> suggestions what I should do?
>
>I've had similar problems with new fish having all sorts of problems that
>can get to my other fish. I've been using this fish "dip" to clean them. I
>just put a few drops of this orange antiseptic stuff in a container, put the
>fish in for 15 seconds and then put the new fish in the tank right after. I
>use this stuff on all my goldfish, as well as all my tropicals - any fish
>I've bought from stores, wholesale or even fish from someone else - and I've
>noticed a drastic decrease in problems like velvet and fin rot.
>Most pet stores seem carry it, and almost every store specializing in fish
>should have it. Just ask for the 'fish dip antiseptic' and you can get info
>and a recommendation for the type of fish you have.
>As far as trying to save your current fish, I don't know. You could try to
>do a water change and treat the water for whatever it is you seem to have,
>and try the antiseptic, if it's not too late. I'd recommend checking into
>this antiseptic for the future, though, since it definitely has caused way
>less issues for my healthy tanks with new fish.

quarantine tanks are the answer...
>
>

--
sophie

www.freewebs.com/fishstuff
(under construction. ish.)

[Deb]

Hi Sophie,
Thanks for the advice. I'll keep trying the waterchanges and salt dip, and
enquire at my local aquarium as to what this antiseptic dip is. I've also
heard you can paint something directly onto the area that's rotting as well
as treating the tank, but I don't know if it has to be diluted or applied
neat. So far the fish don't seem to be getting any worse, but they're no
better either. I'll try another treatment tomorrow, but am not very
confident it will have any effect. Still, at the moment, the velvet and ich
seem to have gone, so I suppose that's something!

Cheers!
Deb
"sophiefishstuff" > wrote in
message ...
> In message >, Deb
> > writes
>>I've been keeping orandas and ryukins for about 7 years now quite
>>successfully until recently. I got four new fish and within afew days
>>there
>>was a velvet outbreak. I treated this successfully, then white spot broke
>>out. This cleared up and the velvet appeared again. Once again I got rid
>>of
>>the velvet, but my red capdeveloped swim bladder disease and died within a
>>couple of days. The Panda oranda then developed mouth fungus which I
>>started
>>treating, sadly to no avail. Of the remaining 2 fish, one has fin rot on
>>its
>>tail, and both have mouth rot, although one is worse than the other, being
>>black rather than white. I have done water changes before changing each
>>treatment, and have been giving the fish salt water dips too. The Interpet
>>treatment for finrot and fungus has been applied twice (12ml every 7 days)
>>but so far there is little improvement. PH and nitrite levels are fine,
>>any
>>suggestions what I should do?
>
> I'm a big fan of treating sick fish with a daily water change of at least
> 25%. I think especially if the medications haven't been working then this
> would be worth trying, finrot is a bacterial infection and it's very often
> a sign of a stressed fish. Pristine water is certainly necessary, even if
> its not a cure. As I understand it, it will take a time for the tissue to
> grow back, so as long as the rot isn't getting any worse, you're ahead.
> But keep up the water changes.
>
> (pretty much a newbie still, so you may want to take this with a pinch of
> salt, if you'll pardon the pun)
>
> --
> sophie
>
> www.freewebs.com/fishstuff
> (under construction. ish.)