Bio Wheel Question

[SRB]

I have an old Penguin 300 with two bio wheels (used). Been stored in garage
several months, completely dry, look clean.

Should I replace the bio wheels before putting this filter to use?

TIA

srb

[bettasngoldfish]

I dont see any need to replace them unless it would make you feel
better : )

[John >]

I would rinse them well in tap water just to wash off any loose matter.

JOhn ><>


"bettasngoldfish" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I dont see any need to replace them unless it would make you feel
> better : )
>

[Jim Anderson]

In article . net>,
says...
> I have an old Penguin 300 with two bio wheels (used). Been stored in garage
> several months, completely dry, look clean.
>
> Should I replace the bio wheels before putting this filter to use?
>
> TIA
>
> srb
>
>
>

I would disenfect them with a 10% bleach solution for a minute or two
then rinse them in water that has dechlorinizer in it.

--
Jim Anderson
( 8(|) To email me just pull my_finger

[Dick]

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:34:32 GMT, "SRB"
> wrote:

>I have an old Penguin 300 with two bio wheels (used). Been stored in garage
>several months, completely dry, look clean.
>
>Should I replace the bio wheels before putting this filter to use?
>
>TIA
>
>srb
>

I have removed my bio wheels. They are more a nuisance than a benefit
in my experience. They turn slower and slower until they quit
rotating. To restore the rotation the whole filter must be cleaned
including the impeller. I removed the wheels about 6 months ago and
replaced the standard cartridge media with a less porous media. It
slows the water flow from the Penguins (I have 2 on my 75 gal) and the
media needs to be cleaned/replaced more often, but the water is very
clean. I also have taken the charcoal out. I found I could never
clean the cartridges enough to get a good flow with the charcoal
inside. The charcoal just would not clean and was so old that it
probably had no value, again, no negative impact.

I now clean or replace the micro filter media with the Penguins still
running. When I pull the cartridge, there is some solid debris, but
it doesn't take long to have the cartridge back in and an hour later
the water is clear again.

I keep looking for ways to simplify maintenance.

dick

[[email protected]]

If you want the penguins to be more reliable try getting emperor or bio
wheel pro 60's for biological filtration - they are much more reliable
(spraybar). I've never had a problem with the spraybar types and it's
been a year, works like new except for cleaning once a month. I
attribute the spraybar type biowheels with my fish success. My biowheel
pro 60 even cycled my turtle tank (55 gallon tank filled with
approximately 15 gallons worth of water (approximately 5 inches deep))
with it just having turtles and I was able to add a ton of fish to that
shallow water without even 1 lost fish at the very least so far. It is
cool you are having success regardless though, but I am so sold on the
spraybar biowheels - to me they're the best biological filtration there
is. Later!

[SRB]

Thanks, all, for the feedback. I dusted them off, rinsed them off, and used
them. They're temporary; I've a canister to install this weekend, just
needed something for immediate use.

If only life didn't get in the way of fish-keeping!

srb

[Dick]

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:31:55 GMT, "SRB"
> wrote:

>Thanks, all, for the feedback. I dusted them off, rinsed them off, and used
>them. They're temporary; I've a canister to install this weekend, just
>needed something for immediate use.
>
>If only life didn't get in the way of fish-keeping!
>
>srb
>
When I got my first tank 2 1/2 years ago, I never gave my life span a
thought, never thought my fish might outlive me. Now I wonder, as I
learn more of fish life spans, it is clear some may well out live me.
I live alone, so I think of how to alert someone, if I have a chance.

I am twisting your observation, "If only life didn't get in the
way....". Lack of life is also an impediment.

I now plan to shut down tanks as my fish numbers reduce. That is
going to be hard. I do love looking at my various creations!

dick

[Daniel Morrow]

Hi Dick, are you saying you have a health related issue? If you are you have
my most sincere support. I like reading your posts and I would miss you if
you left in some way. Sincerely, Dan.
"Dick" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 05:31:55 GMT, "SRB"
> > wrote:
>
> >Thanks, all, for the feedback. I dusted them off, rinsed them off, and
used
> >them. They're temporary; I've a canister to install this weekend, just
> >needed something for immediate use.
> >
> >If only life didn't get in the way of fish-keeping!
> >
> >srb
> >
> When I got my first tank 2 1/2 years ago, I never gave my life span a
> thought, never thought my fish might outlive me. Now I wonder, as I
> learn more of fish life spans, it is clear some may well out live me.
> I live alone, so I think of how to alert someone, if I have a chance.
>
> I am twisting your observation, "If only life didn't get in the
> way....". Lack of life is also an impediment.
>
> I now plan to shut down tanks as my fish numbers reduce. That is
> going to be hard. I do love looking at my various creations!
>
> dick

[Dick]

On Tue, 10 May 2005 12:49:47 -0700, "Daniel Morrow"
> wrote:

>Hi Dick, are you saying you have a health related issue? If you are you have
>my most sincere support. I like reading your posts and I would miss you if
>you left in some way. Sincerely, Dan.

Thanks for the pat on the back Dan. I enjoy reading as well as
writing.

I can't relate the subject "Bio Wheel Question" with "health related
issue." I have responded with some experiences my fish have given me
over the last 2 1/2 years. I have commented that I find the bio wheel
more trouble than it is worth and have removed the four on my 75
gallon tank. I have also mentioned a terrible death of several fish
due to my drove my 75 gallon tank acidic while adjusting the pH which
has led to my no longer trying to use chemicals to adjust the water,
including not removing chlorine. Otherwise, the deaths have been
spread over the years and involve one fish in one tank at a time.

Right now, in the 75 gallon tank I have one of the first fish I put in
it, that appears to be dying. It is a Serpae Tetra. I have 2 other
Serpaes in the same tank that are fine, and 5 others in a 29 gallon
tank that are fine, so I think this little fellow has bad genes. He
still is energetic. I have tried twice to net it to move to the
hospital tank, but it kept well away from the net and reached cover in
the plant growth. I hate chasing a fish as it disturbs the whole tank
and I won't chase into the plant growth, so the Serpae continues his
slow demise in the only home it has known for over 2 years.

I don't know what you had in mind, but you sure got a spoonful of so
one more day I remain.

dick

[Elaine T]

Dick wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2005 12:49:47 -0700, "Daniel Morrow"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Dick, are you saying you have a health related issue? If you are you have
>>my most sincere support. I like reading your posts and I would miss you if
>>you left in some way. Sincerely, Dan.
>
>
> Thanks for the pat on the back Dan. I enjoy reading as well as
> writing.
>
> I can't relate the subject "Bio Wheel Question" with "health related
> issue." I have responded with some experiences my fish have given me
> over the last 2 1/2 years. I have commented that I find the bio wheel
> more trouble than it is worth and have removed the four on my 75
> gallon tank. I have also mentioned a terrible death of several fish
> due to my drove my 75 gallon tank acidic while adjusting the pH which
> has led to my no longer trying to use chemicals to adjust the water,
> including not removing chlorine. Otherwise, the deaths have been
> spread over the years and involve one fish in one tank at a time.
>
> Right now, in the 75 gallon tank I have one of the first fish I put in
> it, that appears to be dying. It is a Serpae Tetra. I have 2 other
> Serpaes in the same tank that are fine, and 5 others in a 29 gallon
> tank that are fine, so I think this little fellow has bad genes. He
> still is energetic. I have tried twice to net it to move to the
> hospital tank, but it kept well away from the net and reached cover in
> the plant growth. I hate chasing a fish as it disturbs the whole tank
> and I won't chase into the plant growth, so the Serpae continues his
> slow demise in the only home it has known for over 2 years.
>
> I don't know what you had in mind, but you sure got a spoonful of so
> one more day I remain.
>
> dick

No, no...are YOU well? You sounded like maybe you were having some
health problems when you said your fish might outlive you, you were
thinking of a way of alerting someone, and planning on downsizing tanks
by attrition. I hope I misunderstood and that you are healthy,
expecting your fish to live for 20 years, and merely planning for the
very distant future or unforseen problems. But if you are not well, you
have my support as well.

--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

[Scott]

I am a n00b to the group and already gathered from Dick's responses over the
last couple of months enough to answer that. Other posts have referred to
downsizing tanks, etc as fish die off because he is anticipating not being
there to care for them. It would seem that he feels time is limited - though
not necessarily to weeks, or months. For someone experienced in fishkeeping,
fish can obviously live for years - and I can't blame him for not wanting
someone to try to care for his tanks or dismantle them piecemeal after
shedding this mortal coil. I admire the restraint shown.

Best wishes Dick, and many more years of enjoying your fish...

---scott


"Elaine T" > wrote in message
m...
> Dick wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 May 2005 12:49:47 -0700, "Daniel Morrow"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Dick, are you saying you have a health related issue? If you are you
>>>have
>>>my most sincere support. I like reading your posts and I would miss you
>>>if
>>>you left in some way. Sincerely, Dan.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the pat on the back Dan. I enjoy reading as well as
>> writing.
>>
>> I can't relate the subject "Bio Wheel Question" with "health related
>> issue." I have responded with some experiences my fish have given me
>> over the last 2 1/2 years. I have commented that I find the bio wheel
>> more trouble than it is worth and have removed the four on my 75
>> gallon tank. I have also mentioned a terrible death of several fish
>> due to my drove my 75 gallon tank acidic while adjusting the pH which
>> has led to my no longer trying to use chemicals to adjust the water,
>> including not removing chlorine. Otherwise, the deaths have been
>> spread over the years and involve one fish in one tank at a time.
>>
>> Right now, in the 75 gallon tank I have one of the first fish I put in
>> it, that appears to be dying. It is a Serpae Tetra. I have 2 other
>> Serpaes in the same tank that are fine, and 5 others in a 29 gallon
>> tank that are fine, so I think this little fellow has bad genes. He
>> still is energetic. I have tried twice to net it to move to the
>> hospital tank, but it kept well away from the net and reached cover in
>> the plant growth. I hate chasing a fish as it disturbs the whole tank
>> and I won't chase into the plant growth, so the Serpae continues his
>> slow demise in the only home it has known for over 2 years.
>>
>> I don't know what you had in mind, but you sure got a spoonful of so
>> one more day I remain.
>>
>> dick
>
> No, no...are YOU well? You sounded like maybe you were having some health
> problems when you said your fish might outlive you, you were thinking of a
> way of alerting someone, and planning on downsizing tanks by attrition. I
> hope I misunderstood and that you are healthy, expecting your fish to live
> for 20 years, and merely planning for the very distant future or unforseen
> problems. But if you are not well, you have my support as well.
>
> --
> Elaine T __
> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
> rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

[Dick]

On Wed, 11 May 2005 19:41:14 GMT, Elaine T >
wrote:

>Dick wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 May 2005 12:49:47 -0700, "Daniel Morrow"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Dick, are you saying you have a health related issue? If you are you have
>>>my most sincere support. I like reading your posts and I would miss you if
>>>you left in some way. Sincerely, Dan.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the pat on the back Dan. I enjoy reading as well as
>> writing.

>
>No, no...are YOU well? You sounded like maybe you were having some
>health problems when you said your fish might outlive you, you were
>thinking of a way of alerting someone, and planning on downsizing tanks
>by attrition. I hope I misunderstood and that you are healthy,
>expecting your fish to live for 20 years, and merely planning for the
>very distant future or unforseen problems. But if you are not well, you
>have my support as well.


Oh, thanks, I never gave a thought to how others my read my thoughts.
My health is fine, but I will be 70 in a few months. The men in my
family, both sides, have died young, my dad was only 51, so I have
never expected to have a long life.

The other side of the coin has to do with fish longevity. When I set
up my first tank over 2 years ago, I never gave a thought to fish
having long lives. Now I realize that some of my fish might well
outlive me considering such species as Clowns, SAEs, Gouramis. Even
the smaller fish may live 5 years. So, I have decided not to replace
nor add to my current stock of about 100 fish.

If you think my worry about the fish alarming, I really am in a bind
over my dogs. My Greyhound is well advanced in age, going on 14. She
is my love and I welcome each new day she continues to live, but then
I have a 6 year old mutt that followed us home from a morning walk 6
years ago (he was just a few months old). He could easily live 10
more years as he is not a large breed.

If the unthinkable happened and I should outlive "Boots" I would
really have a dilemma. I have almost always shared my home with one
or more dogs. What do I do if Boots should die first???

Then, yesterday, I learned that a neighbor, a couple years younger
than me, died last Sunday. This last year has been a continual
reminder of our mortality. So, to me, planning ahead is part of this
stage of life. Nothing morbid, in fact, I hope there is a "life after
death." I have lots of questions I want to ask! <g>

Thanks for clarifying the question, and especially, thanks for caring.

Love,

dick

[Dick]

On Thu, 12 May 2005 01:20:12 -0400, "Scott" <smaxell1{at}hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I am a n00b to the group and already gathered from Dick's responses over the
>last couple of months enough to answer that. Other posts have referred to
>downsizing tanks, etc as fish die off because he is anticipating not being
>there to care for them. It would seem that he feels time is limited - though
>not necessarily to weeks, or months. For someone experienced in fishkeeping,
>fish can obviously live for years - and I can't blame him for not wanting
>someone to try to care for his tanks or dismantle them piecemeal after
>shedding this mortal coil. I admire the restraint shown.
>
>Best wishes Dick, and many more years of enjoying your fish...
>
>---scott

Thanks Scott, I certainly missed Dan's intentions, but now appreciate
everyone's concerns. What a group! Scott, you have caught my notions
quite well. Most of our lives we are faced with building, adding,
expecting always a new day. There comes a time when thinking in terms
of a new job, a new mate, and new project just isn't reasonable. Now
the project list includes "Living Wills," what to do with the loot,
making sure the medications are taken, eating properly.

A neighbor died Sunday, a few years younger than me. An officer came
by as another neighbor indicated I had been a friend. He, the
officer, was seeking clues of who to contact, this was Wednesday and
the police didn't yet know who to reach.

The irony is that I might well live another 20 years. How to plan for
the inevitable and maintain a life worth living?

dick

[Elaine T]

Dick wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2005 19:41:14 GMT, Elaine T >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Dick wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 10 May 2005 12:49:47 -0700, "Daniel Morrow"
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Dick, are you saying you have a health related issue? If you are you have
>>>>my most sincere support. I like reading your posts and I would miss you if
>>>>you left in some way. Sincerely, Dan.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks for the pat on the back Dan. I enjoy reading as well as
>>>writing.
>
>
>>No, no...are YOU well? You sounded like maybe you were having some
>>health problems when you said your fish might outlive you, you were
>>thinking of a way of alerting someone, and planning on downsizing tanks
>>by attrition. I hope I misunderstood and that you are healthy,
>>expecting your fish to live for 20 years, and merely planning for the
>>very distant future or unforseen problems. But if you are not well, you
>>have my support as well.
>
>
>
> Oh, thanks, I never gave a thought to how others my read my thoughts.
> My health is fine, but I will be 70 in a few months. The men in my
> family, both sides, have died young, my dad was only 51, so I have
> never expected to have a long life.
>
> The other side of the coin has to do with fish longevity. When I set
> up my first tank over 2 years ago, I never gave a thought to fish
> having long lives. Now I realize that some of my fish might well
> outlive me considering such species as Clowns, SAEs, Gouramis. Even
> the smaller fish may live 5 years. So, I have decided not to replace
> nor add to my current stock of about 100 fish.
>
> If you think my worry about the fish alarming, I really am in a bind
> over my dogs. My Greyhound is well advanced in age, going on 14. She
> is my love and I welcome each new day she continues to live, but then
> I have a 6 year old mutt that followed us home from a morning walk 6
> years ago (he was just a few months old). He could easily live 10
> more years as he is not a large breed.
>
> If the unthinkable happened and I should outlive "Boots" I would
> really have a dilemma. I have almost always shared my home with one
> or more dogs. What do I do if Boots should die first???
>
> Then, yesterday, I learned that a neighbor, a couple years younger
> than me, died last Sunday. This last year has been a continual
> reminder of our mortality. So, to me, planning ahead is part of this
> stage of life. Nothing morbid, in fact, I hope there is a "life after
> death." I have lots of questions I want to ask! <g>
>
> Thanks for clarifying the question, and especially, thanks for caring.
>
> Love,
>
> dick

I don't think your worry about the fish alarming in the least. I am
very glad to hear that you are in good health and simply thinking ahead.
Agreed that mortality is an expected part of life, and that it is not
fair to the critters you care for to ignore it.

Your neighbor's death brings a good reminder. No matter what age, those
of us who live alone should probably have contingency plans for our
fish, dogs, cats, birds, and whatever other creatures are under our
long-term care. I'm young, but my fish would be in the same situation
as yours should I die. I wonder if the single members of our local
aquarium society would want to agree to take care of each others' tanks.
Hmmm...

Dogs are harder since they get so attached to their owners. I don't envy
you that decision. Maybe Boots and any future pet could get to know a
dog-loving neighbor just in case? Fish really don't care who the blurry
giant is that walks up with the bloodworms in hand. ;-)

Anyway, I'm glad you're well and hope to see your post here for many
years to come.

Love,
Elaine
--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

[Dick]

On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:48:58 GMT, Elaine T >
wrote:

>Dick wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 May 2005 19:41:14 GMT, Elaine T >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dick wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 10 May 2005 12:49:47 -0700, "Daniel Morrow"
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Dick, are you saying you have a health related issue? If you are you have
>>>>>my most sincere support. I like reading your posts and I would miss you if
>>>>>you left in some way. Sincerely, Dan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the pat on the back Dan. I enjoy reading as well as
>>>>writing.
>>
>>
>>>No, no...are YOU well? You sounded like maybe you were having some
>>>health problems when you said your fish might outlive you, you were
>>>thinking of a way of alerting someone, and planning on downsizing tanks
>>>by attrition. I hope I misunderstood and that you are healthy,
>>>expecting your fish to live for 20 years, and merely planning for the
>>>very distant future or unforseen problems. But if you are not well, you
>>>have my support as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, thanks, I never gave a thought to how others my read my thoughts.
>> My health is fine, but I will be 70 in a few months. The men in my
>> family, both sides, have died young, my dad was only 51, so I have
>> never expected to have a long life.
>>
>> The other side of the coin has to do with fish longevity. When I set
>> up my first tank over 2 years ago, I never gave a thought to fish
>> having long lives. Now I realize that some of my fish might well
>> outlive me considering such species as Clowns, SAEs, Gouramis. Even
>> the smaller fish may live 5 years. So, I have decided not to replace
>> nor add to my current stock of about 100 fish.
>>
>> If you think my worry about the fish alarming, I really am in a bind
>> over my dogs. My Greyhound is well advanced in age, going on 14. She
>> is my love and I welcome each new day she continues to live, but then
>> I have a 6 year old mutt that followed us home from a morning walk 6
>> years ago (he was just a few months old). He could easily live 10
>> more years as he is not a large breed.
>>
>> If the unthinkable happened and I should outlive "Boots" I would
>> really have a dilemma. I have almost always shared my home with one
>> or more dogs. What do I do if Boots should die first???
>>
>> Then, yesterday, I learned that a neighbor, a couple years younger
>> than me, died last Sunday. This last year has been a continual
>> reminder of our mortality. So, to me, planning ahead is part of this
>> stage of life. Nothing morbid, in fact, I hope there is a "life after
>> death." I have lots of questions I want to ask! <g>
>>
>> Thanks for clarifying the question, and especially, thanks for caring.
>>
>> Love,
>>
>> dick
>
>I don't think your worry about the fish alarming in the least. I am
>very glad to hear that you are in good health and simply thinking ahead.
> Agreed that mortality is an expected part of life, and that it is not
>fair to the critters you care for to ignore it.
>
>Your neighbor's death brings a good reminder. No matter what age, those
>of us who live alone should probably have contingency plans for our
>fish, dogs, cats, birds, and whatever other creatures are under our
>long-term care. I'm young, but my fish would be in the same situation
>as yours should I die. I wonder if the single members of our local
>aquarium society would want to agree to take care of each others' tanks.
> Hmmm...
>
>Dogs are harder since they get so attached to their owners. I don't envy
>you that decision. Maybe Boots and any future pet could get to know a
>dog-loving neighbor just in case? Fish really don't care who the blurry
>giant is that walks up with the bloodworms in hand. ;-)
>
>Anyway, I'm glad you're well and hope to see your post here for many
>years to come.
>
>Love,
>Elaine

When I was only 25, I bought a new Pontiac convertible. Took some
friends for a mountain drive, ended up driving over a 75 foot
embankment upside down. Age doesn't matter, but we expect to live
when we are young, but as we age, the expectation for death becomes
more real. It is not having a "date certain" that complicates the
planning. For a couple of years, I was exchanging emails with aunt,
that got old and we stopped. A neighbor said she would call me once a
week, that didn't last long. If I were sick as my neighbor apparently
was, I am sure people would check on me, but being healthy it is hard
to set up death watch routines.

I hope that I am not sounding morbid. I want to share in case others
have found something I haven't considered, but also to alert those
that are interested, to the questions involved.

I think it amazing that the subject for this post is so appropriate:
"Bio Wheel Question." Sort of refers to the wheel of life doesn't it?

dick

[Daniel Morrow]

Preparing for not being able to further care for loved pets is very
honorable and proper, I have taken some steps myself at being mid-aged and
all. Initially morbidity isn't the only thing that can threaten loved pets
as any kind of incapacitating restrictions may do the same. My friend was
put in jail for stealing electricity from a neighbor who he had thought said
he could borrow electricity with a long electrical cable until he gets his
check and instead she freaked out when he tried to borrow the electricity.
He was released from jail a day later (he had to make an appearance in court
later as well as the judicial system trumped up the charges to grand theft
in order to get him to make an appearance and arrest him again if necessary)
and had to walk 10 miles and then get a ride home. This all had me
thinking - what if someone is arrested and has beloved pets and the judge
won't allow bail and that person has to stay in jail for weeks or month or
longer until his/her trial? That situation is totally nightmarish to me, I
would take that situation bad because I can just imagine the authorities
doing what they do a lot, saying "too dam bad" and ignoring the plight of
the pets. Enough of my rambling, just sharing thoughts and sorta thinking
out loud, later!

[Gill Passman]

"Daniel Morrow" > wrote in message
...
> Preparing for not being able to further care for loved pets is very
> honorable and proper, I have taken some steps myself at being mid-aged and
> all. Initially morbidity isn't the only thing that can threaten loved pets
> as any kind of incapacitating restrictions may do the same. My friend was
> put in jail for stealing electricity from a neighbor who he had thought
said
> he could borrow electricity with a long electrical cable until he gets his
> check and instead she freaked out when he tried to borrow the electricity.
> He was released from jail a day later (he had to make an appearance in
court
> later as well as the judicial system trumped up the charges to grand theft
> in order to get him to make an appearance and arrest him again if
necessary)
> and had to walk 10 miles and then get a ride home. This all had me
> thinking - what if someone is arrested and has beloved pets and the judge
> won't allow bail and that person has to stay in jail for weeks or month or
> longer until his/her trial? That situation is totally nightmarish to me, I
> would take that situation bad because I can just imagine the authorities
> doing what they do a lot, saying "too dam bad" and ignoring the plight of
> the pets. Enough of my rambling, just sharing thoughts and sorta thinking
> out loud, later!
>
>
It was coming face to face with my own mortality that got me to get into
this hobby seriously....

[Daniel Morrow]

I don't know what got me into this hobby except fond memories of my mom's
angel fish when I was not in school yet and a little later. It is a
wonderful hobby isn't it? One question - should I be writing my replies at
the top of the quote message or at the very end (bottom)? Later!
"Gill Passman" <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Daniel Morrow" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Preparing for not being able to further care for loved pets is very
> > honorable and proper, I have taken some steps myself at being mid-aged
and
> > all. Initially morbidity isn't the only thing that can threaten loved
pets
> > as any kind of incapacitating restrictions may do the same. My friend
was
> > put in jail for stealing electricity from a neighbor who he had thought
> said
> > he could borrow electricity with a long electrical cable until he gets
his
> > check and instead she freaked out when he tried to borrow the
electricity.
> > He was released from jail a day later (he had to make an appearance in
> court
> > later as well as the judicial system trumped up the charges to grand
theft
> > in order to get him to make an appearance and arrest him again if
> necessary)
> > and had to walk 10 miles and then get a ride home. This all had me
> > thinking - what if someone is arrested and has beloved pets and the
judge
> > won't allow bail and that person has to stay in jail for weeks or month
or
> > longer until his/her trial? That situation is totally nightmarish to me,
I
> > would take that situation bad because I can just imagine the authorities
> > doing what they do a lot, saying "too dam bad" and ignoring the plight
of
> > the pets. Enough of my rambling, just sharing thoughts and sorta
thinking
> > out loud, later!
> >
> >
> It was coming face to face with my own mortality that got me to get into
> this hobby seriously....
>
>

[Elaine T]

Daniel Morrow wrote:
> I don't know what got me into this hobby except fond memories of my mom's
> angel fish when I was not in school yet and a little later. It is a
> wonderful hobby isn't it? One question - should I be writing my replies at
> the top of the quote message or at the very end (bottom)? Later!

Most people prefer replies at the bottom for Usenet. I got into this
hobby because of memories of my dad's neon tetras and sunset wag platies
from when I was five. I remember a drum fishbowl of baby platies and
mollies with an airstone too.

--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

[Dick]

On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:15:13 -0700, "Daniel Morrow"
> wrote:

>I don't know what got me into this hobby except fond memories of my mom's
>angel fish when I was not in school yet and a little later. It is a
>wonderful hobby isn't it? One question - should I be writing my replies at
>the top of the quote message or at the very end (bottom)? Later!
>"Gill Passman" <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote in message
.. .

I got into "fishing" in Junior High. A friend had a newspaper route.
One of his customers had tropical fish. He specialized in beautiful
Black Mollies with colored top fins. I ended up with 3 tanks one with
an Oscar. No more fish until the 1980s. Only 50 gallon tank that
time. And, now. December 2003 for some reason I started looking for
aquariums on eBay. I found a 75 gallon tank with a beautiful wood
base. I had to have it. I won the bid and drove 1400 mile round trip
to Oklahoma City. Loaded the tank, base lots of extras into my
motorhome and 4 am the next morning headed home through rain and snow.
I stopped in Odessa, Tx to pick up gravel, fish and some plants and
got home by early evening. I phone a friend who helped me unload and
set up. I had to fill the tank with my garden hose, topping off by
buckets of hot water. I put the sand, plants and fish last; platties,
and swordtails. They survived and then the ordeal by internet began.
It has been fun!

As to where to reply. I wrestled with this question several years
ago. I was posting at the top when someone said that was poor
etiquette. I now normally bottom post to keep the sequence, but
sometimes will post at the top if it is a short thread and I want
emphasis. Then again, there are times I post within the post where
individual paragraphs prompt unique responses. To this day I don't
have a firm answer. I am too lazy to delete with "snip" insertions to
keep the sequence but reduce the volume. I will be interested in what
others have to say.

dick

[Gill Passman]

"Daniel Morrow" > wrote in message
...
> I don't know what got me into this hobby except fond memories of my mom's
> angel fish when I was not in school yet and a little later. It is a
> wonderful hobby isn't it? One question - should I be writing my replies at
> the top of the quote message or at the very end (bottom)? Later!
> "Gill Passman" <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote in message
> .. .
> >
> > "Daniel Morrow" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Preparing for not being able to further care for loved pets is very
> > > honorable and proper, I have taken some steps myself at being mid-aged
> and
> > > all. Initially morbidity isn't the only thing that can threaten loved
> pets
> > > as any kind of incapacitating restrictions may do the same. My friend
> was
> > > put in jail for stealing electricity from a neighbor who he had
thought
> > said
> > > he could borrow electricity with a long electrical cable until he gets
> his
> > > check and instead she freaked out when he tried to borrow the
> electricity.
> > > He was released from jail a day later (he had to make an appearance in
> > court
> > > later as well as the judicial system trumped up the charges to grand
> theft
> > > in order to get him to make an appearance and arrest him again if
> > necessary)
> > > and had to walk 10 miles and then get a ride home. This all had me
> > > thinking - what if someone is arrested and has beloved pets and the
> judge
> > > won't allow bail and that person has to stay in jail for weeks or
month
> or
> > > longer until his/her trial? That situation is totally nightmarish to
me,
> I
> > > would take that situation bad because I can just imagine the
authorities
> > > doing what they do a lot, saying "too dam bad" and ignoring the plight
> of
> > > the pets. Enough of my rambling, just sharing thoughts and sorta
> thinking
> > > out loud, later!
> > >
> > >
> > It was coming face to face with my own mortality that got me to get into
> > this hobby seriously....
> >
> >
>
>
>
I prefer it at the bottom but that's just my own preference.....

We had goldfish on and off for as long as I can remember and probably even
longer than that.

After I was ill I found that I needed to do something more than just sit
around after work and the rest of the house chores. My younger son wanted a
fish tank for his room and we ended up going tropical - we'd always
dismissed it in the past as "too much hard work". I got "bitten by the bug"
very quickly and found that looking after the fish focused my energies and
stopped me dwelling too much on what had gone before. The number of tanks
quickly grew and I am now fully absorbed in looking after them and finding
out as much info as I can....it is still only 9 months since we got the
first tropical tank....and although it is hard work the benefits far
outweigh this....

I guess it would have the same result if I'd picked a different hobby but
this one has really captured my imagination and interest. Plus they are so
fascinating to watch.....

Gill

[Daniel Morrow]

"Gill Passman" <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Daniel Morrow" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I don't know what got me into this hobby except fond memories of my
mom's
> > angel fish when I was not in school yet and a little later. It is a
> > wonderful hobby isn't it? One question - should I be writing my replies
at
> > the top of the quote message or at the very end (bottom)? Later!
> > "Gill Passman" <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote in message
> > .. .
> > >
> > > "Daniel Morrow" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Preparing for not being able to further care for loved pets is very
> > > > honorable and proper, I have taken some steps myself at being
mid-aged
> > and
> > > > all. Initially morbidity isn't the only thing that can threaten
loved
> > pets
> > > > as any kind of incapacitating restrictions may do the same. My
friend
> > was
> > > > put in jail for stealing electricity from a neighbor who he had
> thought
> > > said
> > > > he could borrow electricity with a long electrical cable until he
gets
> > his
> > > > check and instead she freaked out when he tried to borrow the
> > electricity.
> > > > He was released from jail a day later (he had to make an appearance
in
> > > court
> > > > later as well as the judicial system trumped up the charges to grand
> > theft
> > > > in order to get him to make an appearance and arrest him again if
> > > necessary)
> > > > and had to walk 10 miles and then get a ride home. This all had me
> > > > thinking - what if someone is arrested and has beloved pets and the
> > judge
> > > > won't allow bail and that person has to stay in jail for weeks or
> month
> > or
> > > > longer until his/her trial? That situation is totally nightmarish to
> me,
> > I
> > > > would take that situation bad because I can just imagine the
> authorities
> > > > doing what they do a lot, saying "too dam bad" and ignoring the
plight
> > of
> > > > the pets. Enough of my rambling, just sharing thoughts and sorta
> > thinking
> > > > out loud, later!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > It was coming face to face with my own mortality that got me to get
into
> > > this hobby seriously....
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> I prefer it at the bottom but that's just my own preference.....
>
> We had goldfish on and off for as long as I can remember and probably even
> longer than that.
>
> After I was ill I found that I needed to do something more than just sit
> around after work and the rest of the house chores. My younger son wanted
a
> fish tank for his room and we ended up going tropical - we'd always
> dismissed it in the past as "too much hard work". I got "bitten by the
bug"
> very quickly and found that looking after the fish focused my energies and
> stopped me dwelling too much on what had gone before. The number of tanks
> quickly grew and I am now fully absorbed in looking after them and finding
> out as much info as I can....it is still only 9 months since we got the
> first tropical tank....and although it is hard work the benefits far
> outweigh this....
>
> I guess it would have the same result if I'd picked a different hobby but
> this one has really captured my imagination and interest. Plus they are so
> fascinating to watch.....
>
> Gill
>
>
They are fascinating to watch. Wonderful stories (dick's and gill's in
particular). Caring for these creatures improves people in my opinion, makes
for better ethics and morales, and possibly most important - improves
people's social activity. I love this hobby.