cycling with plants

[Connie]

Can you cycle with plants in the tank...??? Can they make it through the
high amonia spikes?

[Jim Anderson]

In article >,
says...

> Can you cycle with plants in the tank...??? Can they make it through the
> high amonia spikes?


<http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_newtank.htm>

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[Connie]

According to that article, yes... ammonia is good for plants. But while
cycling my tank, my plants died off... well the anacharis did anyhow ( and I
thought that was a VERY hardy plant)... I made my ammonia spike to above 5
ppm to initiate my fishless cycle.

"Jim Anderson" > wrote in message
et...
> In article >,
> says...
>
>> Can you cycle with plants in the tank...??? Can they make it through the
>> high amonia spikes?
>
>
> <http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_newtank.htm>
>
> --
> Jim Anderson
> ( 8(|) To email me just pull my_finger

[Connie]

Ok - Here is my tank set up -
I put ammonia in the tank to start the fishless cycle, about a week ago.
The ammonia spiked to off the charts, at least 8.0 ppm. My nitrite is 0.50,
PH is 7.8, Nitrates 0
I had money wort and anacharis and they both died. I am guessing the ammonia
was just to high??
I have laterite mixed with my large gravel. Gravel depth is about 3-4
inches. HOB aqauclear filter, 150 watt heater (76-78 degrees). CO2 injector
bought from Petsmart.
Bought the plants, looked healthy with good green leaves. Now they are
falling apart, and brown.

Thanks for help,
Connie

"Connie" > wrote in message
...
> According to that article, yes... ammonia is good for plants. But while
> cycling my tank, my plants died off... well the anacharis did anyhow ( and
> I thought that was a VERY hardy plant)... I made my ammonia spike to above
> 5 ppm to initiate my fishless cycle.
>
> "Jim Anderson" > wrote in message
> et...
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>
>>> Can you cycle with plants in the tank...??? Can they make it through the
>>> high amonia spikes?
>>
>>
>> <http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_newtank.htm>
>>
>> --
>> Jim Anderson
>> ( 8(|) To email me just pull my_finger
>
>

[Jim Anderson]

In article >,
says...

> Ok - Here is my tank set up -
> I put ammonia in the tank to start the fishless cycle, about a week ago.
> The ammonia spiked to off the charts, at least 8.0 ppm. My nitrite is 0.50,
> PH is 7.8, Nitrates 0
> I had money wort and anacharis and they both died. I am guessing the ammonia
> was just to high??
> I have laterite mixed with my large gravel. Gravel depth is about 3-4
> inches. HOB aqauclear filter, 150 watt heater (76-78 degrees). CO2 injector
> bought from Petsmart.
> Bought the plants, looked healthy with good green leaves. Now they are
> falling apart, and brown.
>
> Thanks for help,
> Connie
>
> "Connie" > wrote in message
> ...
> > According to that article, yes... ammonia is good for plants. But while
> > cycling my tank, my plants died off... well the anacharis did anyhow ( and
> > I thought that was a VERY hardy plant)... I made my ammonia spike to above
> > 5 ppm to initiate my fishless cycle.
> >
> > "Jim Anderson" > wrote in message
> > et...
> >> In article >,
> >> says...
> >>
> >>> Can you cycle with plants in the tank...??? Can they make it through the
> >>> high amonia spikes?
> >>
> >>
> >> <http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_newtank.htm>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jim Anderson
> >> ( 8(|) To email me just pull my_finger
> >
> >
>
>
>

I think the main point of the article is with a heavily planted tank...
there is no cycle, the plants use up all of the waste. So if you start
with a heavily planted tank and get it balanced and running for a month,
you can add fish and there will not be a cycle.

--
Jim Anderson
( 8(|) To email me just pull my_finger

[Jim Anderson]

In article >, fro2750
@frontiernet.my_finger.net says...

> In article >,
> says...
>
> > Ok - Here is my tank set up -
> > I put ammonia in the tank to start the fishless cycle, about a week ago.
> > The ammonia spiked to off the charts, at least 8.0 ppm. My nitrite is 0.50,
> > PH is 7.8, Nitrates 0
> > I had money wort and anacharis and they both died. I am guessing the ammonia
> > was just to high??
> > I have laterite mixed with my large gravel. Gravel depth is about 3-4
> > inches. HOB aqauclear filter, 150 watt heater (76-78 degrees). CO2 injector
> > bought from Petsmart.
> > Bought the plants, looked healthy with good green leaves. Now they are
> > falling apart, and brown.
> >
> > Thanks for help,
> > Connie
> >
> > "Connie" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > According to that article, yes... ammonia is good for plants. But while
> > > cycling my tank, my plants died off... well the anacharis did anyhow ( and
> > > I thought that was a VERY hardy plant)... I made my ammonia spike to above
> > > 5 ppm to initiate my fishless cycle.
> > >
> > > "Jim Anderson" > wrote in message
> > > et...
> > >> In article >,
> > >> says...
> > >>
> > >>> Can you cycle with plants in the tank...??? Can they make it through the
> > >>> high amonia spikes?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> <http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_newtank.htm>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Jim Anderson
> > >> ( 8(|) To email me just pull my_finger
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> I think the main point of the article is with a heavily planted tank...
> there is no cycle, the plants use up all of the waste. So if you start
> with a heavily planted tank and get it balanced and running for a month,
> you can add fish and there will not be a cycle.
>
>

.... and all of the bacteria you have grow, will starve to death and
pollute the tank.

--
Jim Anderson
( 8(|) To email me just pull my_finger

[Celtic_Wanderer]

I added five or so plants before I added any fish to my tank. I than added
two platys to my tank to cycle it. It's been a month and half and I have
not had any problems. As a matter of fact, I never had any trace of
ammonia, nitrates or nitrites.

I now have a dozen or so plants and twenty fish and everyone is doing great.
I have read that in a planted tank the cycling process is different and that
you may never see traces of ammonia, nitrates or nitrites because the plant
absorb it before they reach measurable levels.

--
Celtic Wanderer
http://home.comcast.net/~Celtic_wanderer


"Connie" > wrote in message
...
> Can you cycle with plants in the tank...??? Can they make it through the
> high amonia spikes?
>

[Justin]

Hi all,

In reading

"Ok - Here is my tank set up -
> I put ammonia in the tank to start the fishless cycle, about a week ago.
> The ammonia spiked to off the charts, at least 8.0 ppm. My nitrite is
> 0.50, PH is 7.8, Nitrates 0"

I thought that at the higher ends of PH that ammonia is harder to break
down...? I don't know if this helps at all... From what i read in that
article, the plants soak up the amonia direct from the water so this may no
even be relevant... But I have been advised by my LFS to make sure in my
planted tank that I don't let the PH get too high or I will have a problem
with amonia no breaking down.


Justin.



"Celtic_Wanderer" > wrote in message
...
>I added five or so plants before I added any fish to my tank. I than added
>two platys to my tank to cycle it. It's been a month and half and I have
>not had any problems. As a matter of fact, I never had any trace of
>ammonia, nitrates or nitrites.
>
> I now have a dozen or so plants and twenty fish and everyone is doing
> great. I have read that in a planted tank the cycling process is different
> and that you may never see traces of ammonia, nitrates or nitrites because
> the plant absorb it before they reach measurable levels.
>
> --
> Celtic Wanderer
> http://home.comcast.net/~Celtic_wanderer
>
>
> "Connie" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Can you cycle with plants in the tank...??? Can they make it through the
>> high amonia spikes?
>>
>
>

[Connie]

I don't know what happened to my plants, they all died. I thought maybe
cause the ammonia was off the charts, at least 8.0 ppm, but from reading, it
appears ammonia is good for plants. If not the ammonia, I have no idea why
my plants died. I have good lighting (DIY for a planted tank), CO2, laterite
in my gravel... everything you need.

In regards to your question, "But I have been advised by my LFS to make sure
in my
planted tank that I don't let the PH get too high or I will have a problem
with amonia no breaking down." My tank was set up less than 2 weeks ago. I
added ammonia. My level skyrocketed. Now my ammonia is 0, and my nitrites
have gone through the roof. So I am half way there. I thought my ph would
come down a bit with the CO2, but it hasn't yet.


"Justin" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> In reading
>
> "Ok - Here is my tank set up -
>> I put ammonia in the tank to start the fishless cycle, about a week ago.
>> The ammonia spiked to off the charts, at least 8.0 ppm. My nitrite is
>> 0.50, PH is 7.8, Nitrates 0"
>
> I thought that at the higher ends of PH that ammonia is harder to break
> down...? I don't know if this helps at all... From what i read in that
> article, the plants soak up the amonia direct from the water so this may
> no even be relevant... But I have been advised by my LFS to make sure in
> my planted tank that I don't let the PH get too high or I will have a
> problem with amonia no breaking down.
>
>
> Justin.
>
>
>
> "Celtic_Wanderer" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I added five or so plants before I added any fish to my tank. I than
>>added two platys to my tank to cycle it. It's been a month and half and I
>>have not had any problems. As a matter of fact, I never had any trace of
>>ammonia, nitrates or nitrites.
>>
>> I now have a dozen or so plants and twenty fish and everyone is doing
>> great. I have read that in a planted tank the cycling process is
>> different and that you may never see traces of ammonia, nitrates or
>> nitrites because the plant absorb it before they reach measurable levels.
>>
>> --
>> Celtic Wanderer
>> http://home.comcast.net/~Celtic_wanderer
>>
>>
>> "Connie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Can you cycle with plants in the tank...??? Can they make it through the
>>> high amonia spikes?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>