welcome to rec.ponds!

[kathy]

Welcome to rec.ponds!

We are still here despite the 'noise'.
Post any problem you may be having under another header.
We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people who post
here and they can solve just about any problem.

Here is a Pond 101 page for new pond keepers ~
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html


kathy :-)
www.blogfromthebog.com
this week ~ turtles!

[jabriol]

kathy wrote:
> We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people who post
> here and they can solve just about any problem.
>

past tense: "we had..."

[john]

good work with these daily posts. keep it up. we are here :)

[[email protected]]

john wrote:
> good work with these daily posts. keep it up. we are here :)

yeah... me... myself...and Carol

[BenignVanilla]

"kathy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Welcome to rec.ponds!
>
> We are still here despite the 'noise'.
> Post any problem you may be having under another header.
> We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people who post
> here and they can solve just about any problem.
>
> Here is a Pond 101 page for new pond keepers ~
> http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html
>
>
> kathy :-)
> www.blogfromthebog.com
> this week ~ turtles!

Kathy keeping the sanity...well done. Life has been in the way of my living
lately, so I have not posted much, but I am back.

BV.

[kathy]

Hey BV!!!!

Hope life and pond are on track!

k :-)

[dave]

WARNING WARNING
TROLL ALERT


On 4 May 2005 07:15:39 -0700, wrote:

>
>john wrote:
>> good work with these daily posts. keep it up. we are here :)
>
>yeah... me... myself...and Carol

[BryanB]

Kathy, I don't suppose you'd consider adding a little blurb about making
sure any replies to a message are sent to the "right" newsgroup, would you?

I don't know if it'd help any, but I'm not certain it wouldn't hurt...

--Bryan


On 5/4/2005 6:10 AM kathy let loose a lemur across the keyboard and it
typed:<BR>

> Welcome to rec.ponds!
>
> We are still here despite the 'noise'.
> Post any problem you may be having under another header.
> We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people who post
> here and they can solve just about any problem.
>
> Here is a Pond 101 page for new pond keepers ~
> http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html
>
>
> kathy :-)
> www.blogfromthebog.com
> this week ~ turtles!
>

[kathy]

Probably depends on how or where they are reading.
Stuff posted to rec.ponds and answered would just go
to rec.ponds. It is when folks reply to the troll stuff
that the cross posting seems to happen. Or am I
wrong here?

I'd almost think about having a general post on trolls
but think that would probably attract more attention
than it would help. At least to me. But if someone else
wants to risk it it would probably be a good idea.

k :-)

[kathy]

Okay, I'm revising my answer here.
Just by posting at the bottom of the thread
where a troll had posted the dang post got
cross posted. I removed any that went thru
google.
I think this is something that requires more
sophistication than I have.
Does someone want to take on a daily - how to
deal with trolls post?
One rec.ponder had a good suggestion for my
post, as in start it with the letter 'a' as some
news readers list alphabetically. 'welcome' to
rec.ponds goes straight to the bottom, give or
take few letters ;-)

k :-)

[George]

"Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>
> Post any problem you may be having under another header.
> We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people who post
> here and they can solve just about any problem.
> In fact we talk about anything!
> religion
> spanish class
> flame wars
> 10 year old vendettas
>
> Thanks to Carol; she did a nasty thing on ARJ-W, we all have to pay
>
>
> Here is a Pond 101 page for new pond keepers ~
> http://hometown.aol.com/ka30pig/*myhomepage/garden.html
>
>
> kathy :-)
> www.blogfromthebog.com
> this week ~ flamewaring pigs like reel mckoi
>

There is a solution to the flame wars and all the spam. Other newsgroups use a
method that seems to work well. For instance, if you post to
alt.binaries.pictures.astro (a newsgroups for amatuer astronomers who want to
share their astrophotographs), you are requested to post "astro:" at the
beginning of the subject line. Then everyone, by mutual agreement, creates a
messege filter in their newsreader that filters out any post that doesn't have
"astro:" in the subject line. Why can't we all agree to put "PONDS:" in our
subject line when posting and then simply filter out any messege that doesn't
include "PONDS:"? I think we should include this in the FAQ, and ask everyone
to do this. It might not filter out all of it, but it certainly should help get
rid of a lot of it. And it might take a while to catch on, but if we all agree
to it, and remind people to do it when posting, it might alleviate some of the
crap. What say all???

[~Roy~]

Surely you do not think anyone else could not easily put PONDS in the
subject line , thereby effectily getting past any filters invoked.
Filters are a joke, as they are much to easy to get around. In this
neck of the woods we usually eliminate the problem or
source........and being on this forum since 1996 is still not a
criteria for having any special or given rights than one person who
joins in today does............

On Fri, 06 May 2005 22:55:03 GMT, "George"
> wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
...
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>> Post any problem you may be having under another header.
>===<>> We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people who post
>===<>> here and they can solve just about any problem.
>===<>> In fact we talk about anything!
>===<>> religion
>===<>> spanish class
>===<>> flame wars
>===<>> 10 year old vendettas
>===<>>
>===<>> Thanks to Carol; she did a nasty thing on ARJ-W, we all have to pay
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>> Here is a Pond 101 page for new pond keepers ~
>===<>> http://hometown.aol.com/ka30pig/*myhomepage/garden.html
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>> kathy :-)
>===<>> www.blogfromthebog.com
>===<>> this week ~ flamewaring pigs like reel mckoi
>===<>>
>===<>
>===<>There is a solution to the flame wars and all the spam. Other newsgroups use a
>===<>method that seems to work well. For instance, if you post to
>===<>alt.binaries.pictures.astro (a newsgroups for amatuer astronomers who want to
>===<>share their astrophotographs), you are requested to post "astro:" at the
>===<>beginning of the subject line. Then everyone, by mutual agreement, creates a
>===<>messege filter in their newsreader that filters out any post that doesn't have
>===<>"astro:" in the subject line. Why can't we all agree to put "PONDS:" in our
>===<>subject line when posting and then simply filter out any messege that doesn't
>===<>include "PONDS:"? I think we should include this in the FAQ, and ask everyone
>===<>to do this. It might not filter out all of it, but it certainly should help get
>===<>rid of a lot of it. And it might take a while to catch on, but if we all agree
>===<>to it, and remind people to do it when posting, it might alleviate some of the
>===<>crap. What say all???
>===<>


==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!

[Reel McKoi]

"George" > wrote in message
news:bBSee.61153$c24.47196@attbi_s72...
And it might take a while to catch on, but if we all agree
> to it, and remind people to do it when posting, it might alleviate some of
the
> crap. What say all???
=========================
There's no way to stop the spammers, flooders, identity thieves and flamers
from doing the same thing to bypass filters.
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[cat daddy]

[alt.free.newsservers snecked]
"Reel McKoi" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George" > wrote in message
> news:bBSee.61153$c24.47196@attbi_s72...
> And it might take a while to catch on, but if we all agree
> > to it, and remind people to do it when posting, it might alleviate some
of
> the
> > crap. What say all???
> =========================
> There's no way to stop the spammers, flooders, identity thieves and
flamers
> from doing the same thing to bypass filters.
> --
> McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Well, here's one of your crossposted ****storms to keep the trolling
alive. Nothing's ever your fault, right?

[George]

"~Roy~" > wrote in message
...
> Surely you do not think anyone else could not easily put PONDS in the
> subject line , thereby effectily getting past any filters invoked.
> Filters are a joke, as they are much to easy to get around. In this
> neck of the woods we usually eliminate the problem or
> source........and being on this forum since 1996 is still not a
> criteria for having any special or given rights than one person who
> joins in today does............

No, I don't suggest that it is the end-all solution. That has to come from the
ISPs and/or the person doing the flaming. Besides this Jabriol person and a few
others (I particularly blame anyone who knowingly responds to the flaming),
there is the normal spam that comes around. If everyone agrees to use "PONDS:"
in their subject line, and writes a messege rule that excludes all others, at
least part of the problem is solved, because most annonymous mailers (and most
flamebots) won't know to include this in the subject line. And I completely
agree that it doesn't matter how long someone has been a subscriber to a
newsgroup. It is one's behavior that counts. So, just to let everyone know in
advance. I plan to post using "PONDS:" in the subject line. If you want to
respond to me, and expect that I will see it, you know what to do. Because I
will no longer respond to anyone who doesn't have it in the subject line. And I
may not, even then. I'm simply fed up with such childish, inappropriate use of
newsgroup that is supposed to be dedicated to such a great topic. GOD HAS
SPOKEN!

[George]

"Reel McKoi" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George" > wrote in message
> news:bBSee.61153$c24.47196@attbi_s72...
> And it might take a while to catch on, but if we all agree
>> to it, and remind people to do it when posting, it might alleviate some of
> the
>> crap. What say all???
> =========================
> There's no way to stop the spammers, flooders, identity thieves and flamers
> from doing the same thing to bypass filters.
> --
> McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Watch me.

[Reel McKoi]

"George" > wrote in message
news:QX0fe.61948$c24.59328@attbi_s72...
I plan to post using "PONDS:" in the subject line. If you want to
> respond to me, and expect that I will see it, you know what to do. Because
I
> will no longer respond to anyone who doesn't have it in the subject line.
And I
> may not, even then. I'm simply fed up with such childish, inappropriate
use of
> newsgroup that is supposed to be dedicated to such a great topic. GOD HAS
> SPOKEN!
======================
But what's to stop the flamers from using "PONDS" in the subject header?
He's already forging *my* headers. I didn't write the post above that you
thought I did.
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[George]

"Reel McKoi" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George" > wrote in message
> news:QX0fe.61948$c24.59328@attbi_s72...
> I plan to post using "PONDS:" in the subject line. If you want to
>> respond to me, and expect that I will see it, you know what to do. Because
> I
>> will no longer respond to anyone who doesn't have it in the subject line.
> And I
>> may not, even then. I'm simply fed up with such childish, inappropriate
> use of
>> newsgroup that is supposed to be dedicated to such a great topic. GOD HAS
>> SPOKEN!
> ======================
> But what's to stop the flamers from using "PONDS" in the subject header?
> He's already forging *my* headers. I didn't write the post above that you
> thought I did.
> --
> McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Yes I know that. I don't know the answer. What I do know is that I'm no longer
going to respond to any post that doesn't have it in it. If that means that I
have to miss out on some good posts, or most posts so be it. I come here to
relax and enjoy reading and interacting with others on this topic, and I refuse
to get pulled into a flame war.

[J.D. Stone]

"George" > wrote in message
news:bBSee.61153$c24.47196@attbi_s72...
> in part..

Why can't we all agree to put "PONDS:" in our
> subject line when posting and then simply filter out any messege that
> doesn't include "PONDS:"? I think we should include this in the FAQ, and
> ask everyone to do this. It might not filter out all of it, but it
> certainly should help get rid of a lot of it. And it might take a while
> to catch on, but if we all agree to it, and remind people to do it when
> posting, it might alleviate some of the crap. What say all???
Only problem I see is it creates a little community that never notices
newbies who wouldn't know better. As can be seen by some of the newbie posts
we see, not everyone reads the newsgroup FAQ, even if they can find it. Plus
it wouldn't work..trolls figure these things out anyway, they have nothing
better to do. I just filter the sources when they show up. Speaking of which
brings up a question. I use OE (chastise me not flamers, I am too lazy to
bother getting anything else). The view is set to hide read or ignored, yet
when I first open the reader is shows some at the top of the list. I swap
the view around and they go away but they shouldn't be there to begin with.
Anyone know why this happens?
JD
http://www2.itexas.net/jdstone/

[Derek Broughton]

J.D. Stone wrote:

>
> "George" > wrote in message
> news:bBSee.61153$c24.47196@attbi_s72...
>> in part..
>
> Why can't we all agree to put "PONDS:" in our
>> subject line when posting

> Only problem I see is it creates a little community that never notices
> newbies who wouldn't know better.

And it's redundant in a pond group.


> Speaking of which brings up a question. I use OE (chastise me not flamers,
> I am too lazy to bother getting anything else).

I'm pretty sure the laziness is the reason we should be chastising you :-)

> The view is set to hide
> read or ignored, yet when I first open the reader is shows some at the top
> of the list. I swap the view around and they go away but they shouldn't be
> there to begin with. Anyone know why this happens?

No. I've never been able to understand OE (and despite being a Linux geek,
I actually quite like OE). I really think you'd have an easier time
learning another news program than getting OE to behave.
--
derek

[Larry]

.. I use OE (chastise me not flamers, I am too lazy to
>bother getting anything else). The view is set to hide read or ignored, yet
>when I first open the reader is shows some at the top of the list. I swap
>the view around and they go away but they shouldn't be there to begin with.
>Anyone know why this happens?
>JD
>http://www2.itexas.net/jdstone/
>

If you want to try Agent Forte 2.0 , I'll provide you with a reg. key.
Not sure how much better it works the OE but it'll be my way of
helping ponders seep through the garbage.

Larry

[J.D. Stone]

"Derek Broughton" > wrote in message
...
in part..>>
>> Speaking of which brings up a question. I use OE (chastise me not
>> flamers,
>> I am too lazy to bother getting anything else).
>
> I'm pretty sure the laziness is the reason we should be chastising you :-)

Yeah, probably should!

>> The view is set to hide
>> read or ignored, yet when I first open the reader is shows some at the
>> top
>> of the list. I swap the view around and they go away but they shouldn't
>> be
>> there to begin with. Anyone know why this happens?
>
> No. I've never been able to understand OE (and despite being a Linux
> geek,
> I actually quite like OE). I really think you'd have an easier time
> learning another news program than getting OE to behave.

I'll take that under advisement; thanks, Derek.

JD

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>If you want to try Agent Forte 2.0 , I'll provide you with a reg. key.
>Not sure how much better it works the OE but it'll be my way of
>helping ponders seep through the garbage.
>Larry

I'm using Agent too and I wasn't seeing much of this garage others were
mentioning. Then I visited Google, OMG! Agent & my killfile really work
well. ;) ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Dsybok]

The morons have to die sooner or later, whether they be bible pounders or
rogue ponders with a vendetta. Im tired of the scumbags ruining the group as
much as anyone, but the only solution that works is to ignore the idiots,
wait for them to move on to other things, filter them out when you can and
get on with our business.

D

"George" > wrote in message
news:bBSee.61153$c24.47196@attbi_s72...
>
> "Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> >
> > Post any problem you may be having under another header.
> > We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people who post
> > here and they can solve just about any problem.
> > In fact we talk about anything!
> > religion
> > spanish class
> > flame wars
> > 10 year old vendettas
> >
> > Thanks to Carol; she did a nasty thing on ARJ-W, we all have to pay
> >
> >
> > Here is a Pond 101 page for new pond keepers ~
> > http://hometown.aol.com/ka30pig/*myhomepage/garden.html
> >
> >
> > kathy :-)
> > www.blogfromthebog.com
> > this week ~ flamewaring pigs like reel mckoi
> >
>
> There is a solution to the flame wars and all the spam. Other newsgroups
use a
> method that seems to work well. For instance, if you post to
> alt.binaries.pictures.astro (a newsgroups for amatuer astronomers who want
to
> share their astrophotographs), you are requested to post "astro:" at the
> beginning of the subject line. Then everyone, by mutual agreement,
creates a
> messege filter in their newsreader that filters out any post that doesn't
have
> "astro:" in the subject line. Why can't we all agree to put "PONDS:" in
our
> subject line when posting and then simply filter out any messege that
doesn't
> include "PONDS:"? I think we should include this in the FAQ, and ask
everyone
> to do this. It might not filter out all of it, but it certainly should
help get
> rid of a lot of it. And it might take a while to catch on, but if we all
agree
> to it, and remind people to do it when posting, it might alleviate some of
the
> crap. What say all???
>
>