Fish in Hiding

[Quercus Robur]

I have a very small pond, about 120gal and small water fall. We live in N.
Illinois. 4 Koi, 3 Schubunkins in pond. They always swim aound, even in
winter, and beg for food. I use a floating water heater and all have now
survived three winters OK. The heater is now out of the pond. Ten days ago
we had a cold snap, down to 25oF. The pond did not freeze, but the fish
went into hiding and have not come out from under a stone shelf. This is
abnormal behaviour. I changed 60% of the water adding chlorine and
chloramine remover. Still no movement. Is this normal? What should I do?

Thanks,
Martin

[George]

"Quercus Robur" > wrote in message
...
>I have a very small pond, about 120gal and small water fall. We live in N.
>Illinois. 4 Koi, 3 Schubunkins in pond. They always swim aound, even in
>winter, and beg for food. I use a floating water heater and all have now
>survived three winters OK. The heater is now out of the pond. Ten days ago we
>had a cold snap, down to 25oF. The pond did not freeze, but the fish went into
>hiding and have not come out from under a stone shelf. This is abnormal
>behaviour. I changed 60% of the water adding chlorine and chloramine remover.
>Still no movement. Is this normal? What should I do?
>
> Thanks,
> Martin

What is the temprature and pH of the water?

[Reel Mckoi]

Quercus Robur wrote:
> I have a very small pond, about 120gal and small water fall. We live in N.
> Illinois. 4 Koi, 3 Schubunkins in pond. They always swim aound, even in
> winter, and beg for food. I use a floating water heater and all have now
> survived three winters OK. The heater is now out of the pond. Ten days ago
> we had a cold snap, down to 25oF. The pond did not freeze, but the fish
> went into hiding and have not come out from under a stone shelf. This is
> abnormal behaviour. I changed 60% of the water adding chlorine and
> chloramine remover. Still no movement. Is this normal? What should I do?
>
> Thanks,
> Martin
>
>

Here what works for me. You take a a few m-80's or quarters sticks. you
time the fuse for one minute, and you put in a coke bottle and tie a
rock to the neck of the bottle. Light the fuse; cap the bottle and toss
in the pond. If they don't come out; as Dr. McCoy would say: "there Dead
Jim".

McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." :-)
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Reel McKoi]

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"Reel Mckoi" > wrote in message
...
> Quercus Robur wrote:[i]
> > I have a very small pond, about 120gal and small water fall. We live in
N.
> > Illinois. 4 Koi, 3 Schubunkins in pond. They always swim aound, even in
> > winter, and beg for food. I use a floating water heater and all have
now
> > survived three winters OK. The heater is now out of the pond. Ten days
ago
> > we had a cold snap, down to 25oF. The pond did not freeze, but the fish
> > went into hiding and have not come out from under a stone shelf. This
is
> > abnormal behaviour. I changed 60% of the water adding chlorine and
> > chloramine remover. Still no movement. Is this normal? What should I
do?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Martin
> >
> >
>
> Here what works for me. You take a a few m-80's or quarters sticks. you
> time the fuse for one minute, and you put in a coke bottle and tie a
> rock to the neck of the bottle. Light the fuse; cap the bottle and toss
> in the pond. If they don't come out; as Dr. McCoy would say: "there Dead
> Jim".
>
> McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
> EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
> before flushing." :-)
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>I have a very small pond, about 120gal and small water fall. We live in N.
>Illinois. 4 Koi, 3 Schubunkins in pond. They always swim aound, even in
>winter, and beg for food. I use a floating water heater and all have now
>survived three winters OK. The heater is now out of the pond. Ten days ago
>we had a cold snap, down to 25oF. The pond did not freeze, but the fish
>went into hiding and have not come out from under a stone shelf. This is
>abnormal behaviour. I changed 60% of the water adding chlorine and
>chloramine remover. Still no movement. Is this normal? What should I do?
>
>Thanks,
>Martin

Whenever there is a fish or pond problem the first thing you do is CHECK
YOUR WATER QUALITY, do not do a water change, especially one so big, until
you've checked the parameters, you may just make a bad situation worst.

This is what you need to check: Ammonia, Nitrite, pH, KH, and tell us the
temp. report the numbers and most likely we can tell you more. If your test
kits are over a year old their accuracy is suspect, if you're using strips,
their accuracy is suspect. If the test doesn't give you a number, the
accuracy is suspect.

Nothing drives me more nuts than to be called out to a pond because there
is "something wrong with my fish" and find out that the ponder has done
some major change, either medicated or water changes, before I get there.
Some days I feel like people are saying, "Let's see just how good that KHA
program was?" <s> ~ jan


See my ponds and filter design:
www.jjspond.us

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[George]

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> "Reel Mckoi" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Quercus Robur wrote:[i]
>> > I have a very small pond, about 120gal and small water fall. We live in
> N.
>> > Illinois. 4 Koi, 3 Schubunkins in pond. They always swim aound, even in
>> > winter, and beg for food. I use a floating water heater and all have
> now
>> > survived three winters OK. The heater is now out of the pond. Ten days
> ago
>> > we had a cold snap, down to 25oF. The pond did not freeze, but the fish
>> > went into hiding and have not come out from under a stone shelf. This
> is
>> > abnormal behaviour. I changed 60% of the water adding chlorine and
>> > chloramine remover. Still no movement. Is this normal? What should I
> do?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Martin
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Here what works for me. You take a a few m-80's or quarters sticks. you
>> time the fuse for one minute, and you put in a coke bottle and tie a
>> rock to the neck of the bottle. Light the fuse; cap the bottle and toss
>> in the pond. If they don't come out; as Dr. McCoy would say: "there Dead
>> Jim".
>>
>> McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
>> EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
>> before flushing." :-)
>> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>>

As sick as that is, you've got to admit that that was quite inventive, even for
a troll.

[zookeeper]

"George" > wrote in message
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>
> "Reel McKoi" > wrote in message
> As sick as that is, you've got to admit that that was quite inventive,
even for
> a troll.

No, it wasn't inventive, and I really don't appreciate you labeling it with
PONDS and dredging up all the stuff that I have filtered out. Thanks. NOT

[George]

"zookeeper" > wrote in message
...
> "George" > wrote in message
> news:LPyhe.81932$c24.77432@attbi_s72...
>>
>> "Reel McKoi" > wrote in message
>> As sick as that is, you've got to admit that that was quite inventive,
> even for
>> a troll.
>
> No, it wasn't inventive, and I really don't appreciate you labeling it with
> PONDS and dredging up all the stuff that I have filtered out. Thanks. NOT
>

Like the Russians say, tough ****sky.

[Reel McKoi]

"zookeeper" > wrote in message
...
> "George" > wrote in message
> news:LPyhe.81932$c24.77432@attbi_s72...
> >
> > "Reel McKoi" > wrote in message
> > As sick as that is, you've got to admit that that was quite inventive,
> even for
> > a troll.
>
> No, it wasn't inventive, and I really don't appreciate you labeling it
with
> PONDS and dredging up all the stuff that I have filtered out. Thanks. NOT
===================
Uh, I didn't write: "As sick as that is, you've got to admit that that was
quite inventive,
even for a troll."

Please SNIP carefully after checking headers for forgeries.
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." :-)
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Reel McKoi]

"George" > wrote in message
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> >> Jxxxxxx said: Here what works for me. You take a a few m-80's or
quarters sticks. you
> >> time the fuse for one minute, and you put in a coke bottle and tie a
> >> rock to the neck of the bottle. Light the fuse; cap the bottle and toss
> >> in the pond. If they don't come out; as Dr. McCoy would say: "there
Dead
> >> Jim".

> As sick as that is, you've got to admit that that was quite inventive,
even for
> a troll.
==============
It shows you how his mind works.... yes, it sounded sick to me as well. :þ
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." :-)
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Reel McKoi]

zookeeper wrote:

>
> No, it wasn't inventive, and I really don't appreciate you labeling it with
> PONDS and dredging up all the stuff that I have filtered out. Thanks. NOT
>
> McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." :-)
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>


## Ask us if we care...

[~Roy~]

Why just to satisfy Carol who has created this mess.......why is it
everyone has to bow down to old Carol aka windsong, Reel McKoi. She
puts the forum in turmoil and then thinks everyone should cater to her
desires......I think not. I like the extra traffic Jabriol has
created, as it livens up this place..........and not too long ago
this place was like a morgue most times, now its alive and
jumping.......

I really think someone needs to put a size 12 boot up Reel McKoi's
backside...............any takers?

Thank you Jabriol............OH, and if your ever down my way feel
free to stop in and visit!



==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!

~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~~~~~ }<(((((o>

[Derek Broughton]

zookeeper wrote:

> "George" > wrote in message
> news:LPyhe.81932$c24.77432@attbi_s72...
>>
>> "Reel McKoi" > wrote in message
>> As sick as that is, you've got to admit that that was quite inventive,
> even for
>> a troll.
>
> No, it wasn't inventive, and I really don't appreciate you labeling it
> with PONDS and dredging up all the stuff that I have filtered out. Thanks.
> NOT

Well, he's an idiot who gets his kicks out of that sort of thing, but it
just proves that the idea of putting PONDS in the subject doesn't help
anything.
--
derek

[Reel McKoi]

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"Reel McKoi" > wrote in message
...
> zookeeper wrote:
>
> >
> > No, it wasn't inventive, and I really don't appreciate you labeling it
with
> > PONDS and dredging up all the stuff that I have filtered out. Thanks.
NOT
> >
> > McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
> EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
> before flushing." :-)
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
>
> ## Ask us if we care...
>
>

[Reel McKoi]

George wrote:

>
> Like the Russians say, tough ****sky.
>
>

#You go George!
================================
--
CR....
All the JWs wish for is walking around the COUNTRYSIDE (never any towns
pictured in the WT rags) smiling like the village idiot and carrying
baskets of veggies and fruit with them. Also note they all live in suit
pants and dress shirts. The women live in housedresses of 1952
vintage.....
and they call that paradise? Any normal human being would rapidly be bored
to death looking at trees, grass, each other's ever smiling faces and
eating
a vegetarian diet.
They'd soon be longing for a good book, a movie, a Mall or a steak
dinner..... (Carol)

[~Roy~]

On Sun, 15 May 2005 11:52:45 -0400, Reel McKoi >
wrote:

>===<>George wrote:
>===<>
>===<>>
>===<>> Like the Russians say, tough ****sky.
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>
>===<>#You go George!
>===<>================================
CR....
All the JWs wish for is walking around the COUNTRYSIDE (never any
towns
pictured in the WT rags) smiling like the village idiot and carrying
baskets of veggies and fruit with them. Also note they all live in
suit
pants and dress shirts. The women live in housedresses of 1952
vintage.....
and they call that paradise? Any normal human being would rapidly be
bored
to death looking at trees, grass, each other's ever smiling faces and
eating
a vegetarian diet.
They'd soon be longing for a good book, a movie, a Mall or a steak
dinner..... (Carol)

AT least they have a life of their own choosing, unlike Reel McKoi
who just has to exist anyway she can in that hillbilly shack and
picking out of dumpsters the next meal, just so she can afford an ISP
so she can have entertainment while living in those backwoods of
Smokey Holler!

==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!

~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~~~~~ }<(((((o>

[Reel McKoi]

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"Reel McKoi" > wrote in message
...
> George wrote:
>
> >
> > Like the Russians say, tough ****sky.
> >
> >
>
> #You go George!
> ================================
> --
> CR....
> All the JWs wish for is walking around the COUNTRYSIDE (never any towns
> pictured in the WT rags) smiling like the village idiot and carrying
> baskets of veggies and fruit with them. Also note they all live in suit
> pants and dress shirts. The women live in housedresses of 1952
> vintage.....
> and they call that paradise? Any normal human being would rapidly be
bored
> to death looking at trees, grass, each other's ever smiling faces and
> eating
> a vegetarian diet.
> They'd soon be longing for a good book, a movie, a Mall or a steak
> dinner..... (Carol)

[Quercus Robur]

Thanks Jan for the sensible advice. I don't have any chem kits, but will go
buy. (My minor is in chemistry so I understand.) Temp is about 65oF and
they are out today. First time in two weeks so the problem may be past.
Martin

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> >I have a very small pond, about 120gal and small water fall. We live in
> >N.
>>Illinois. 4 Koi, 3 Schubunkins in pond. They always swim aound, even in
>>winter, and beg for food. I use a floating water heater and all have now
>>survived three winters OK. The heater is now out of the pond. Ten days
>>ago
>>we had a cold snap, down to 25oF. The pond did not freeze, but the fish
>>went into hiding and have not come out from under a stone shelf. This is
>>abnormal behaviour. I changed 60% of the water adding chlorine and
>>chloramine remover. Still no movement. Is this normal? What should I
>>do?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Martin
>
> Whenever there is a fish or pond problem the first thing you do is CHECK
> YOUR WATER QUALITY, do not do a water change, especially one so big, until
> you've checked the parameters, you may just make a bad situation worst.
>
> This is what you need to check: Ammonia, Nitrite, pH, KH, and tell us the
> temp. report the numbers and most likely we can tell you more. If your
> test
> kits are over a year old their accuracy is suspect, if you're using
> strips,
> their accuracy is suspect. If the test doesn't give you a number, the
> accuracy is suspect.
>
> Nothing drives me more nuts than to be called out to a pond because there
> is "something wrong with my fish" and find out that the ponder has done
> some major change, either medicated or water changes, before I get there.
> Some days I feel like people are saying, "Let's see just how good that KHA
> program was?" <s> ~ jan
>
>
> See my ponds and filter design:
> www.jjspond.us
>
> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> To e-mail see website

[pixi]

Snake? My fish hide when a snake is hovering.


"Quercus Robur" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks Jan for the sensible advice. I don't have any chem kits, but will
go
> buy. (My minor is in chemistry so I understand.) Temp is about 65oF and
> they are out today. First time in two weeks so the problem may be past.
> Martin
>
> "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >I have a very small pond, about 120gal and small water fall. We live
in
> > >N.
> >>Illinois. 4 Koi, 3 Schubunkins in pond. They always swim aound, even in
> >>winter, and beg for food. I use a floating water heater and all have
now
> >>survived three winters OK. The heater is now out of the pond. Ten days
> >>ago
> >>we had a cold snap, down to 25oF. The pond did not freeze, but the fish
> >>went into hiding and have not come out from under a stone shelf. This
is
> >>abnormal behaviour. I changed 60% of the water adding chlorine and
> >>chloramine remover. Still no movement. Is this normal? What should I
> >>do?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Martin
> >
> > Whenever there is a fish or pond problem the first thing you do is CHECK
> > YOUR WATER QUALITY, do not do a water change, especially one so big,
until
> > you've checked the parameters, you may just make a bad situation worst.
> >
> > This is what you need to check: Ammonia, Nitrite, pH, KH, and tell us
the
> > temp. report the numbers and most likely we can tell you more. If your
> > test
> > kits are over a year old their accuracy is suspect, if you're using
> > strips,
> > their accuracy is suspect. If the test doesn't give you a number, the
> > accuracy is suspect.
> >
> > Nothing drives me more nuts than to be called out to a pond because
there
> > is "something wrong with my fish" and find out that the ponder has done
> > some major change, either medicated or water changes, before I get
there.
> > Some days I feel like people are saying, "Let's see just how good that
KHA
> > program was?" <s> ~ jan
> >
> >
> > See my ponds and filter design:
> > www.jjspond.us
> >
> > ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> > Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> > To e-mail see website
>
>