need advice on getting rid of snails

[Rodney]

Thanks to the plants that I added to the tank, I have snails. What's the most effective way of ridding the suckers? I squash ~5/day. The tank has community fish (white clouds, platies, guppies, tetras) and shrimp as well as a bunch of plants.

[Elaine T]

Rodney wrote:
> Thanks to the plants that I added to the tank, I have snails. What's
> the most effective way of ridding the suckers? I squash ~5/day. The
> tank has community fish (white clouds, platies, guppies, tetras) and
> shrimp as well as a bunch of plants.

Add a loach. Pygmy chain loaches and kuhli loaches are good for small
tanks. In larger tanks, you can have just about any species, including
a shoal of the wonderful clown loaches.

--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

[Dick]

On Wed, 18 May 2005 03:03:23 GMT, "Rodney" > wrote:

>Thanks to the plants that I added to the tank, I have snails. What's the most effective way of ridding the suckers? I squash ~5/day. The tank has community fish (white clouds, platies, guppies, tetras) and shrimp as well as a bunch of plants.

You don't say the tank size. Although I do have 2 Clown Loaches in a
10 gallon tank, and they do manage the snails, I have not put any in 2
other ten gallon tanks. The small snails are an annoyance that I live
with whereas I have some larger snails, not quite dime size, that I
hope will reproduce.

One way to control the population is to put some food item on the
bottom, then, when the snails are enjoying the snack, remove the snack
with the snails aboard and dump the lot. Not a permanent solution,
but not too hard to do once in awhile.

Are you sure you don't want some snails? They do process uneaten
food.


dick

[sophiefishstuff]

In message >, Elaine T
> writes
>Rodney wrote:
>> Thanks to the plants that I added to the tank, I have snails. What's
>>the most effective way of ridding the suckers? I squash ~5/day. The
>>tank has community fish (white clouds, platies, guppies, tetras) and
>>shrimp as well as a bunch of plants.
>
>Add a loach. Pygmy chain loaches and kuhli loaches are good for small
>tanks.

my kuhlis don't eat snails, and both kuhlis and sids need a minimum
group of five or six to be happy, so this might not be ideal for an
already well-stocked tank...

--
sophie

www.freewebs.com/fishstuff
(under construction. ish.)

[Ray Martini]

I have two small Clown Loaches in a 20 gallon tank and they ate up every
single snail I had and I had a lot!! I know these awesome guys are gonna get
big and my tank will be too small for them. HEY I guess I'll just have to
get another large tank!! Yea that's the ticket!!


"Dick" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 18 May 2005 03:03:23 GMT, "Rodney" > wrote:
>
>>Thanks to the plants that I added to the tank, I have snails. What's the
>>most effective way of ridding the suckers? I squash ~5/day. The tank has
>>community fish (white clouds, platies, guppies, tetras) and shrimp as well
>>as a bunch of plants.
>
> You don't say the tank size. Although I do have 2 Clown Loaches in a
> 10 gallon tank, and they do manage the snails, I have not put any in 2
> other ten gallon tanks. The small snails are an annoyance that I live
> with whereas I have some larger snails, not quite dime size, that I
> hope will reproduce.
>
> One way to control the population is to put some food item on the
> bottom, then, when the snails are enjoying the snack, remove the snack
> with the snails aboard and dump the lot. Not a permanent solution,
> but not too hard to do once in awhile.
>
> Are you sure you don't want some snails? They do process uneaten
> food.
>
>
> dick

[Elaine T]

sophiefishstuff wrote:
> In message >, Elaine T
> > writes
>
>> Rodney wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to the plants that I added to the tank, I have snails. What's
>>> the most effective way of ridding the suckers? I squash ~5/day. The
>>> tank has community fish (white clouds, platies, guppies, tetras) and
>>> shrimp as well as a bunch of plants.
>>
>>
>> Add a loach. Pygmy chain loaches and kuhli loaches are good for small
>> tanks.
>
>
> my kuhlis don't eat snails, and both kuhlis and sids need a minimum
> group of five or six to be happy, so this might not be ideal for an
> already well-stocked tank...
>
I have a solo sid on snail duty who hangs out with the solo SAE on BBA
duty. I'm considering a buddy for the sid but prefer keeping him in the
superior water quality of a lightly stocked tank. He's plump, healthy,
and doing fine. None of the hiding or refusing to eat that solo clowns do.

Sids and kuhlis may like a buddy, but saying a minimum of five or six is
necessary seems excessive unless you're trying to breed the fish. We
had a similar thread going on clowns, where many of us have seen clowns
behave normally in pairs and trios and others claim six are required. YMMV

It's often necessary to make compromises in smaller planted tanks,
though. You need certain functions filled - snail eating, algae eaters
of various types, scavengers for uneaten food, yet you want a couple of
colorful "centerpiece" fish. It's a challenge.

--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

[NetMax]

"Elaine T" > wrote in message
...
> sophiefishstuff wrote:
>> In message >, Elaine T
>> > writes
>>
>>> Rodney wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks to the plants that I added to the tank, I have snails.
>>>> What's the most effective way of ridding the suckers? I squash
>>>> ~5/day. The tank has community fish (white clouds, platies,
>>>> guppies, tetras) and shrimp as well as a bunch of plants.
>>>
>>>
>>> Add a loach. Pygmy chain loaches and kuhli loaches are good for
>>> small tanks.
>>
>>
>> my kuhlis don't eat snails, and both kuhlis and sids need a minimum
>> group of five or six to be happy, so this might not be ideal for an
>> already well-stocked tank...
>>
> I have a solo sid on snail duty who hangs out with the solo SAE on BBA
> duty. I'm considering a buddy for the sid but prefer keeping him in
> the superior water quality of a lightly stocked tank. He's plump,
> healthy, and doing fine. None of the hiding or refusing to eat that
> solo clowns do.
>
> Sids and kuhlis may like a buddy, but saying a minimum of five or six
> is necessary seems excessive unless you're trying to breed the fish.
> We had a similar thread going on clowns, where many of us have seen
> clowns behave normally in pairs and trios and others claim six are
> required. YMMV
>
> It's often necessary to make compromises in smaller planted tanks,
> though. You need certain functions filled - snail eating, algae eaters
> of various types, scavengers for uneaten food, yet you want a couple of
> colorful "centerpiece" fish. It's a challenge.
>
> --
> Elaine T __
> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><


The term 'loaches' includes several families with varying degrees of
snailing abilities. For getting rid of existing snails,
'Acanthophthalmus' loaches (Kuhlis) are imo ineffective. 'Botia' loaches
(Sids, Clowns, Yoyos, Zebra etc) are known for their ability, though
there are some Botia which are only effective against snail eggs and not
snails, so ymmv ;~).
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Rodney]

55 gallon tank. I can add some fish if need be. The consensus seems to be
Clown Loaches. I squished another 5 snails today. I definitely don't want
snails in the tank.

--
Rodney Wong


(Pacific Standard Time Zone)
"Dick" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 18 May 2005 03:03:23 GMT, "Rodney" > wrote:
>
> >Thanks to the plants that I added to the tank, I have snails. What's the
most effective way of ridding the suckers? I squash ~5/day. The tank has
community fish (white clouds, platies, guppies, tetras) and shrimp as well
as a bunch of plants.
>
> You don't say the tank size. Although I do have 2 Clown Loaches in a
> 10 gallon tank, and they do manage the snails, I have not put any in 2
> other ten gallon tanks. The small snails are an annoyance that I live
> with whereas I have some larger snails, not quite dime size, that I
> hope will reproduce.
>
> One way to control the population is to put some food item on the
> bottom, then, when the snails are enjoying the snack, remove the snack
> with the snails aboard and dump the lot. Not a permanent solution,
> but not too hard to do once in awhile.
>
> Are you sure you don't want some snails? They do process uneaten
> food.
>
>
> dick

[John Thomas]

How many Yo-Yo's do you need in a tank to keep them happy? Is three too
little? My Q-Tank has some serious snail issues thanks to some Anubias
nana I've recently purchased.

[Rodney]

forgot to ask. are the loaches compatible with cherry/algae
eating/malaysian shrimp?


"Rodney" > wrote in message
. com...
> 55 gallon tank. I can add some fish if need be. The consensus seems to
be
> Clown Loaches. I squished another 5 snails today. I definitely don't
want
> snails in the tank.
>
> --
> Rodney Wong
>
>
> (Pacific Standard Time Zone)
> "Dick" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 18 May 2005 03:03:23 GMT, "Rodney" > wrote:
> >
> > >Thanks to the plants that I added to the tank, I have snails. What's
the
> most effective way of ridding the suckers? I squash ~5/day. The tank has
> community fish (white clouds, platies, guppies, tetras) and shrimp as well
> as a bunch of plants.
> >
> > You don't say the tank size. Although I do have 2 Clown Loaches in a
> > 10 gallon tank, and they do manage the snails, I have not put any in 2
> > other ten gallon tanks. The small snails are an annoyance that I live
> > with whereas I have some larger snails, not quite dime size, that I
> > hope will reproduce.
> >
> > One way to control the population is to put some food item on the
> > bottom, then, when the snails are enjoying the snack, remove the snack
> > with the snails aboard and dump the lot. Not a permanent solution,
> > but not too hard to do once in awhile.
> >
> > Are you sure you don't want some snails? They do process uneaten
> > food.
> >
> >
> > dick
>
>

[Dick]

On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:25:11 -0400, "Ray Martini"
> wrote:

>I have two small Clown Loaches in a 20 gallon tank and they ate up every
>single snail I had and I had a lot!! I know these awesome guys are gonna get
>big and my tank will be too small for them. HEY I guess I'll just have to
>get another large tank!! Yea that's the ticket!!
>

Have a martini to celebrate each new tank Ray.

dick

>
>"Dick" > wrote in message
...
>> On Wed, 18 May 2005 03:03:23 GMT, "Rodney" > wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks to the plants that I added to the tank, I have snails. What's the
>>>most effective way of ridding the suckers? I squash ~5/day. The tank has
>>>community fish (white clouds, platies, guppies, tetras) and shrimp as well
>>>as a bunch of plants.
>>
>> You don't say the tank size. Although I do have 2 Clown Loaches in a
>> 10 gallon tank, and they do manage the snails, I have not put any in 2
>> other ten gallon tanks. The small snails are an annoyance that I live
>> with whereas I have some larger snails, not quite dime size, that I
>> hope will reproduce.
>>
>> One way to control the population is to put some food item on the
>> bottom, then, when the snails are enjoying the snack, remove the snack
>> with the snails aboard and dump the lot. Not a permanent solution,
>> but not too hard to do once in awhile.
>>
>> Are you sure you don't want some snails? They do process uneaten
>> food.
>>
>>
>> dick
>

[sophiefishstuff]

In message >, Elaine T
> writes
>sophiefishstuff wrote:
>> In message >, Elaine
>>T > writes
>>
>>> Rodney wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks to the plants that I added to the tank, I have snails.
>>>>What's the most effective way of ridding the suckers? I squash
>>>>~5/day. The tank has community fish (white clouds, platies,
>>>>guppies, tetras) and shrimp as well as a bunch of plants.
>>>
>>>
>>> Add a loach. Pygmy chain loaches and kuhli loaches are good for
>>>small tanks.
>> my kuhlis don't eat snails, and both kuhlis and sids need a minimum
>>group of five or six to be happy, so this might not be ideal for an
>>already well-stocked tank...
>>
>I have a solo sid on snail duty who hangs out with the solo SAE on BBA
>duty. I'm considering a buddy for the sid but prefer keeping him in
>the superior water quality of a lightly stocked tank. He's plump,
>healthy, and doing fine. None of the hiding or refusing to eat that
>solo clowns do.

if it works with one, that's excellent!
>
>Sids and kuhlis may like a buddy, but saying a minimum of five or six
>is necessary seems excessive unless you're trying to breed the fish. We
>had a similar thread going on clowns, where many of us have seen clowns
>behave normally in pairs and trios and others claim six are required.
>YMMV

I don't know a lot about clowns, so I can't really comment from personal
experience - the serious clown keepers I've come across seem to think
that more is better, always assuming you've got the room. Don't most
social/schooling fish do better in bigger groups? I know kuhlis are
possibly an extreme example, given their tendency to disappear at the
best of times, but I'd say five or six is the minimum for a community
tank if you want to see them out and about much (I'd love it if they
bred, but that's not my reason for advocating more rather than less)
>
>It's often necessary to make compromises in smaller planted tanks,
>though. You need certain functions filled - snail eating, algae eaters
>of various types, scavengers for uneaten food, yet you want a couple of
>colorful "centerpiece" fish. It's a challenge.

I'd agree with the challenge bit; though personally I wouldn't keep one
of a fish that I knew to prefer groups - I might go down to three. but
that's just my opinion and isn't supposed to sound critical (you've got
miles more experience than me, I wouldn't dream of it); if you've got a
happy solo sid then you're obviously doing it right!

vaguely tangentially, I find the centrepiece fish thing difficult to
cope with at the moment; I've got a very pretty dwarf gourami as the
showy fish in a 35(US) gallon tank and he's my least favourite fish in
there now! I've got a couple of females in quarantine/ getting fattened
up at the moment, so I'm hoping to regain interest in him soon. My
favourite fish in there are currently the kuhlis - not for their
scavenging abilities, just because I find them hugely entertaining to
watch.
--
sophie

www.freewebs.com/fishstuff
(under construction. ish.)

[Gail Futoran]

"John Thomas" > wrote in message
...
> How many Yo-Yo's do you need in a tank to keep them happy? Is three too
> little? My Q-Tank has some serious snail issues thanks to some Anubias
> nana I've recently purchased.

I have two Yo-Yo loaches in a 20 gallon long and they
seem quite happy. I've had them for about two years.
They do like tight hiding places so I put some lengths
of PVC pipe in there for them (along with more
"natural" looking decorations). Other fish in that tank
include Cory cats, small neons, otocinclus. All get
along fine.

I don't think the Yo-Yo's do as good a job at snail
patrol as the Skunk botia I have in 2 other tanks, but
the snail population stays reasonable in those 3 tanks
compared to a fourth tank where nothing really eats
snails and I have to pick snails out by hand (via
zucchini slices). (Kuhli loaches in that tank are
adorable but as others have noted they don't do
much for snails.)

Gail

[Gill Passman]

"Rodney" > wrote in message
. com...
> 55 gallon tank. I can add some fish if need be. The consensus seems to
be
> Clown Loaches. I squished another 5 snails today. I definitely don't
want
> snails in the tank.
>
> --
> Rodney Wong
>
>
> (Pacific Standard Time Zone)
> "Dick" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 18 May 2005 03:03:23 GMT, "Rodney" > wrote:
> >
> > >Thanks to the plants that I added to the tank, I have snails. What's
the
> most effective way of ridding the suckers? I squash ~5/day. The tank has
> community fish (white clouds, platies, guppies, tetras) and shrimp as well
> as a bunch of plants.
> >
> > You don't say the tank size. Although I do have 2 Clown Loaches in a
> > 10 gallon tank, and they do manage the snails, I have not put any in 2
> > other ten gallon tanks. The small snails are an annoyance that I live
> > with whereas I have some larger snails, not quite dime size, that I
> > hope will reproduce.
> >
> > One way to control the population is to put some food item on the
> > bottom, then, when the snails are enjoying the snack, remove the snack
> > with the snails aboard and dump the lot. Not a permanent solution,
> > but not too hard to do once in awhile.
> >
> > Are you sure you don't want some snails? They do process uneaten
> > food.
> >
> >
> > dick
>
>
I have 6 Clown Loaches in my 50UK gall tank - they make mincemeat of any
snails - in fact I can't remember the last time I saw one in there inspite
of adding plants. IMO they also make a great "centre piece"
fish....especially when they put on their displays of "synchronised
swimming".

Gill

[Elaine T]

sophiefishstuff wrote:
> In message >, Elaine T
> > writes
>
>> sophiefishstuff wrote:
>>
>>> In message >, Elaine
>>> T > writes
>>>
>>>> Rodney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to the plants that I added to the tank, I have snails.
>>>>> What's the most effective way of ridding the suckers? I squash
>>>>> ~5/day. The tank has community fish (white clouds, platies,
>>>>> guppies, tetras) and shrimp as well as a bunch of plants.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Add a loach. Pygmy chain loaches and kuhli loaches are good for
>>>> small tanks.
>>>
>>> my kuhlis don't eat snails, and both kuhlis and sids need a minimum
>>> group of five or six to be happy, so this might not be ideal for an
>>> already well-stocked tank...
>>>
>> I have a solo sid on snail duty who hangs out with the solo SAE on BBA
>> duty. I'm considering a buddy for the sid but prefer keeping him in
>> the superior water quality of a lightly stocked tank. He's plump,
>> healthy, and doing fine. None of the hiding or refusing to eat that
>> solo clowns do.
>
>
> if it works with one, that's excellent!
>
>>
>> Sids and kuhlis may like a buddy, but saying a minimum of five or six
>> is necessary seems excessive unless you're trying to breed the fish.
>> We had a similar thread going on clowns, where many of us have seen
>> clowns behave normally in pairs and trios and others claim six are
>> required. YMMV
>
>
> I don't know a lot about clowns, so I can't really comment from personal
> experience - the serious clown keepers I've come across seem to think
> that more is better, always assuming you've got the room. Don't most
> social/schooling fish do better in bigger groups? I know kuhlis are
> possibly an extreme example, given their tendency to disappear at the
> best of times, but I'd say five or six is the minimum for a community
> tank if you want to see them out and about much (I'd love it if they
> bred, but that's not my reason for advocating more rather than less)

Good to know. As for clowns, solo fish have a sad tendency to die. I'm
sure now that someone is going to post about a happy solo clown. ;-) My
experience was watching a BF lose 3 in a row before we wised up and put
a second in the tank.

Good to know that kuhlis will be out and about if there's a crowd.
Their behavior is variable in store tanks. One day the lot of 50 will
be mostly out cruising the tank, and the next all 50 will be down on or
in the sand.

>> It's often necessary to make compromises in smaller planted tanks,
>> though. You need certain functions filled - snail eating, algae
>> eaters of various types, scavengers for uneaten food, yet you want a
>> couple of colorful "centerpiece" fish. It's a challenge.
>
>
> I'd agree with the challenge bit; though personally I wouldn't keep one
> of a fish that I knew to prefer groups - I might go down to three. but
> that's just my opinion and isn't supposed to sound critical (you've got
> miles more experience than me, I wouldn't dream of it); if you've got a
> happy solo sid then you're obviously doing it right!

I actually wish I had tank space to get him a buddy. Keeping him solo
is my completely selfish way of coping with snails in a 15 gal tank
where I want to keep something colorful rather than only snail and algae
eating fish in shoals. My SAE, otos, and sid are all beige with brown
stripes or markings - it's kind of funny, really. Fortunately the sid
hangs out with the SAE who would also prefer some buddies so it works.

Speaking of solo fish - solo Otos are a complete wash. Even in my 2 gal
hex, I have 2 Otos. I put in one and the fish hid all the time and left
patches of tasty algae on the front glass. I added a second a few weeks
later, a bit worried about the fish load, and within two hours, both
were out working on that tasty patch on the front of the tank.

> vaguely tangentially, I find the centrepiece fish thing difficult to
> cope with at the moment; I've got a very pretty dwarf gourami as the
> showy fish in a 35(US) gallon tank and he's my least favourite fish in
> there now! I've got a couple of females in quarantine/ getting fattened
> up at the moment, so I'm hoping to regain interest in him soon. My
> favourite fish in there are currently the kuhlis - not for their
> scavenging abilities, just because I find them hugely entertaining to
> watch.

My "centerpiece" in a small tank is often a shoal of cardinals. In the
15 gal, it's a shoal of Espei rasboras and the mellowist betta I've ever
had. I keep wondering if it's a female with unusually long fins.

--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

[Gill Passman]

"Elaine T" > wrote in message
.. .
> sophiefishstuff wrote:
> > In message >, Elaine T
> > > writes
> >
> >> sophiefishstuff wrote:
> >>
> >>> In message >, Elaine
> >>> T > writes
> >>>
> >>>> Rodney wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thanks to the plants that I added to the tank, I have snails.
> >>>>> What's the most effective way of ridding the suckers? I squash
> >>>>> ~5/day. The tank has community fish (white clouds, platies,
> >>>>> guppies, tetras) and shrimp as well as a bunch of plants.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Add a loach. Pygmy chain loaches and kuhli loaches are good for
> >>>> small tanks.
> >>>
> >>> my kuhlis don't eat snails, and both kuhlis and sids need a minimum
> >>> group of five or six to be happy, so this might not be ideal for an
> >>> already well-stocked tank...
> >>>
> >> I have a solo sid on snail duty who hangs out with the solo SAE on BBA
> >> duty. I'm considering a buddy for the sid but prefer keeping him in
> >> the superior water quality of a lightly stocked tank. He's plump,
> >> healthy, and doing fine. None of the hiding or refusing to eat that
> >> solo clowns do.
> >
> >
> > if it works with one, that's excellent!
> >
> >>
> >> Sids and kuhlis may like a buddy, but saying a minimum of five or six
> >> is necessary seems excessive unless you're trying to breed the fish.
> >> We had a similar thread going on clowns, where many of us have seen
> >> clowns behave normally in pairs and trios and others claim six are
> >> required. YMMV
> >
> >
> > I don't know a lot about clowns, so I can't really comment from personal
> > experience - the serious clown keepers I've come across seem to think
> > that more is better, always assuming you've got the room. Don't most
> > social/schooling fish do better in bigger groups? I know kuhlis are
> > possibly an extreme example, given their tendency to disappear at the
> > best of times, but I'd say five or six is the minimum for a community
> > tank if you want to see them out and about much (I'd love it if they
> > bred, but that's not my reason for advocating more rather than less)
>
> Good to know. As for clowns, solo fish have a sad tendency to die. I'm
> sure now that someone is going to post about a happy solo clown. ;-) My
> experience was watching a BF lose 3 in a row before we wised up and put
> a second in the tank.
>
> Good to know that kuhlis will be out and about if there's a crowd.
> Their behavior is variable in store tanks. One day the lot of 50 will
> be mostly out cruising the tank, and the next all 50 will be down on or
> in the sand.
>
> >> It's often necessary to make compromises in smaller planted tanks,
> >> though. You need certain functions filled - snail eating, algae
> >> eaters of various types, scavengers for uneaten food, yet you want a
> >> couple of colorful "centerpiece" fish. It's a challenge.
> >
> >
> > I'd agree with the challenge bit; though personally I wouldn't keep one
> > of a fish that I knew to prefer groups - I might go down to three. but
> > that's just my opinion and isn't supposed to sound critical (you've got
> > miles more experience than me, I wouldn't dream of it); if you've got a
> > happy solo sid then you're obviously doing it right!
>
> I actually wish I had tank space to get him a buddy. Keeping him solo
> is my completely selfish way of coping with snails in a 15 gal tank
> where I want to keep something colorful rather than only snail and algae
> eating fish in shoals. My SAE, otos, and sid are all beige with brown
> stripes or markings - it's kind of funny, really. Fortunately the sid
> hangs out with the SAE who would also prefer some buddies so it works.
>
> Speaking of solo fish - solo Otos are a complete wash. Even in my 2 gal
> hex, I have 2 Otos. I put in one and the fish hid all the time and left
> patches of tasty algae on the front glass. I added a second a few weeks
> later, a bit worried about the fish load, and within two hours, both
> were out working on that tasty patch on the front of the tank.
>
> > vaguely tangentially, I find the centrepiece fish thing difficult to
> > cope with at the moment; I've got a very pretty dwarf gourami as the
> > showy fish in a 35(US) gallon tank and he's my least favourite fish in
> > there now! I've got a couple of females in quarantine/ getting fattened
> > up at the moment, so I'm hoping to regain interest in him soon. My
> > favourite fish in there are currently the kuhlis - not for their
> > scavenging abilities, just because I find them hugely entertaining to
> > watch.
>
> My "centerpiece" in a small tank is often a shoal of cardinals. In the
> 15 gal, it's a shoal of Espei rasboras and the mellowist betta I've ever
> had. I keep wondering if it's a female with unusually long fins.
>
> --
> Elaine T __
> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
> rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

My new favourite for a small tank are my Panda Corys.....great fun to
watch....