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kathy

June 2nd 05, 02:17 PM

Welcome to rec.ponds!

We are still here, despite the noise of attack posts.
I
Post any problem you may be having under another header.
We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people who post
here and they can solve just about any problem.

If you get a rude answer to your post, sorry, but it part of
our ongoing problem. Just ignore it.
Someone will post a rational response to your question.
Many of us have filtered out the problem posters. Most
newsgroup readers have a way to do that.

Here is a Pond 101 page for new pond keepers ~
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

kathy :-)
www.blogfromthebog.com
this week ~ purple loosestrife

[email protected]

June 2nd 05, 11:55 PM

kathy wrote:
> Welcome to rec.ponds!
>
> We are still here, despite the noise of attack posts.

Doing what exactly?

> I
> Post any problem you may be having under another header.
> We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people who post
> here and they can solve just about any problem.

Ok here is one, how can youstop Carol from bringing her stinking war to
rec.ponds?

>
> If you get a rude answer to your post, sorry, but it part of
> our ongoing problem. Just ignore it.

Not really, The way I deal with a NG with a non-solvable problem is to
find another NG. The problem here in rec.ponds create a waste of
bandwidth ands extra work, the lasty 500 headers, is 90% off topics
posts.

> Someone will post a rational response to your question.

All I see is wise crack responses.

> Many of us have filtered out the problem posters. Most
> newsgroup readers have a way to do that.

but why bother? How many on topic post you had today?
less tham 20.

How many Jabriol/Carol topics? today alone over 65.
not worth being here.
I understand Talk.Origins have blocked all crossposting from here. and
have blocklisted Shared-Secrets.com for their inability to avoid the
NYM shifting of one of their users.

bye.

kathy

June 3rd 05, 12:24 AM

Welcome to rec.ponds!

We are still here, despite the noise of attack posts.
I
Post any problem you may be having under another header.
We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people who post
here and they can solve just about any problem.

If you get a rude answer to your post, sorry, but it part of
our ongoing problem. Just ignore it.
Someone will post a rational response to your question.
Many of us have filtered out the problem posters. Most
newsgroup readers have a way to do that.

Here is a Pond 101 page for new pond keepers ~
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/=ADmyhomepage/garden.html

kathy :-)=20
www.blogfromthebog.com=20
this week ~ purple loosestrife

kathy

June 3rd 05, 01:20 AM

Welcome to rec.ponds!

We are still here, despite the noise of attack posts.

Post any problem you may be having under another header.
We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people who post
here and they can solve just about any problem.

If you get a rude answer to your post, sorry, but it part of
our ongoing problem. Just ignore it.
Someone will post a rational response to your question.
Many of us have filtered out the problem posters. Most
newsgroup readers have a way to do that.

Here is a Pond 101 page for new pond keepers ~
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

kathy :-)
www.blogfromthebog.com
this week ~ purple loosestrife

Rob Kelk

June 3rd 05, 01:35 AM

On 2 Jun 2005 15:55:34 -0700, wrote:

>kathy wrote:
>> Welcome to rec.ponds!
>>
>> We are still here, despite the noise of attack posts.
>
>Doing what exactly?
>
>> I
>> Post any problem you may be having under another header.
>> We have a lot of talented and knowledgeable people who post
>> here and they can solve just about any problem.
>
>Ok here is one, how can youstop Carol from bringing her stinking war to
>rec.ponds?

How about you extend to others the same consideration that you want for
yourself, and not bring it to news.groups?

There's already a perfectly good group for what you want to talk about:
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet. Posting the thread to news.groups is just
going to annoy people.

(And I see that my filters have failed. I thought I had killfiled
everything posted to both news.groups and alt.config - since nothing's
on-topic for both groups, anything posted to both is either spam,
trolling, or a response to the same. Yes, I know what that means about
this post... <followups trimmed>)

<remainder snipped>
--
Rob Kelk
Personal address, in ROT-13: eboxryx -ng- tznvy -qbg- pbz

kathy

June 3rd 05, 03:53 AM

Jim Riley

June 3rd 05, 07:47 AM

[newsgroups snecked to rec.ponds and news.groups]

On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:12:54 -0500, "Cracklin'" > wrote:

>"Courageous" > wrote in message
...

>> This is not actually true.
>>
>> rec.ponds could become moderated.
>>
>> It's fairly easy to arrange, and not anywhere near as cumbersome as most
>> people think.
>>
>> Moderation software even allows you to set up accept lists. These can be
>> as finicky as specific ip addresses of origin, or even hardware mac
>> addresses.

>Is it possible you can do this for rec.ponds? Perhaps we can have two pond
>groups - one where those who don't mind trolls can post, and one moderated?
>Is that possible? Can YOU do it? Maybe this should be discussed on NANAU
>(???) or one of the Usenet abuse groups (???).

Under current Big 8 group creation rules, an unmoderated group may not
be converted to moderated However, a parallel moderated group can be
created (eg. rec.ponds.moderated). The groups don't have to have
anything to do with each other, or the moderated group could permit
cross-posts from the unmoderated group but not other groups.

--
Jim Riley

June 3rd 05, 12:33 PM

X-No-Archive: Yes

Cracklin' wrote:
> "Courageous" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>>Nothing can be done.
>>
>>This is not actually true.
>>
>>rec.ponds could become moderated.
>>
>>It's fairly easy to arrange, and not anywhere near as cumbersome as most
>>people think.
>>
>>Moderation software even allows you to set up accept lists. These can be
>>as finicky as specific ip addresses of origin, or even hardware mac
>
> addresses.
>
>>C//
>
> =================================
> Is it possible you can do this for rec.ponds? Perhaps we can have two pond
> groups - one where those who don't mind trolls can post, and one moderated?
> Is that possible? Can YOU do it? Maybe this should be discussed on NANAU
> (???) or one of the Usenet abuse groups (???).
>
> CR.......
>

NO, just EXERCISE SOME SELF CONTROL.

Trolls infest groups all the time, but in MOST groups people learn to
keep their mouths shut, the trolls are ignored, and they go away.

You, on the other hand, keep inviting your personal troll to settle in
by INSISTING on taking the bait on a daily basis, to the point that
everyone has given up on you ever getting even a glimmer of a clue of
common sense.

If you would just SHUT UP CAROL, this would have been over long ago
.... but Carol *can't* shut up, she HAS to respond because everyone
else is too stupid (in her opinion) to know which posts are
pond-related and which aren't, so she has to KEEP RESPONDING TO THE
TROLL so he will keep coming back and keep being successful in
disrupting the group.

Carol: SHUT UP. SHUT UP. SHUT UP.

All together now, everyone please tell Carol to SHUT UP!!!!! so the
troll will not continue to be successful in his disruption.

(Sorry, Fred & Mike ... but when she starts infecting NANAU & a.c and
other groups with this <expletive-deleted> now, it's hard to just let
her slide by yet again. Cross-posts snecked because this has no place
being discussed there, it's garden-variety trolling enabled by one of
the most persistently insistently dense (aka "stupid") [that Brit word
that Adie likes to use that I never use but have been sorely tempted
to use with
Carol-the-enabler-who-can't-shut-up-and-let-it-die-because-she's-so-sure-everyone's-too-stupid-to-recognize-a-troll-so-she-HAS-to-explain-it-to-you-8million-times.])

-- DE

[auk added because Carol is fast approaching the point of being so
insistent on her idiotic troll-enabling that she's doing more damage
than the troll himself and should be accorded international
recognition of her inability to exercise any self control while she
whimpers "victim" over & over but keeps supplying the alcoholic with a
nice bottle of cheap red.]

[oh, and FYI, proposed new alt groups are discussed in alt.config, but
rec.* groups should be handled within the rec hierarchy]

June 3rd 05, 12:40 PM

X-No-Archive: Yes

Cracklin' wrote:
> "Courageous" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>>Is it possible you can do this for rec.ponds? Perhaps we can have two
>
> pond
>
>>>groups - one where those who don't mind trolls can post, and one
>
> moderated?
>
>>>Is that possible?
>>
>>Someone needs to look into newsgroup formation. I'm not sure, but I don't
>>think one can simply change a group to moderated status.
>>
>>Keep in mind that moderation doesn't have to introduce difficulty to using
>>the group. Usually the way it works is that newcomers, who want to post,
>>have to have several of their posts approved by one of a group of
>
> moderators.
>
>>Once this happens, all posts are automatically approved.
>>
>>C//
>
> ==============================
> Yes, I'm aware of that as I sometimes posted to a moderated women's group.
> The original group had an unbearable troll and a few nasty sympathizers
> encouraging the troll (sound familiar?)

Is it possible Carol is finally starting to recognize her own enabling
behavior?

> as we have on rec.ponds. Moderating
> the NG effectively blocked the person and those "others," allowing the rest
> of us to post in peace. :-))
>
> CR.....
>
>
Nah, didn't think so .... would take more than a cluestick-or-60 to
get her to stop inviting him back every day.

It's always the fault of everyone else, always theirs to deal with,
because Carol is so sure that they're TOO STUPID to recognize a troll
on their own, so Carol has to keep telling them 8 million times over
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June 3rd 05, 03:21 PM

DE wrote:
....
> (Sorry, Fred & Mike ...

and, of course, rec.pond'ers who are not filtering cross-posts and are
"innocent" in all this.

Cracklin'

June 3rd 05, 05:11 PM

"DE" > wrote in message
...
> NO, just EXERCISE SOME SELF CONTROL.
============
You're a real BROKEN RECORD with this already DE. Where is your self
control? Pot calling the kettles black again? Stop making me the target of
your personal issues. If you have nothing constructive to say - say
nothing!

You yourself obviously love this "problem" as you *FEED THE TROLL* with
every one of your endlessly CRITICIZING posts, boring repetitious
CRITICIZING!. How sad you need to do this to feel better about yourself -
and the TROLL loves it - so keep feeding him if you want him on AFN!

There are groups where you can vent you spleen and where your daily
repetitious *rant* as you call it, is welcome, and you may actually find
help.

CR.........

June 3rd 05, 07:54 PM

Courageous wrote:
>>Nothing can be done.
>
>
> This is not actually true.
>
> rec.ponds could become moderated.
>
> It's fairly easy to arrange, and not anywhere near as cumbersome as most
> people think.
>
> Moderation software even allows you to set up accept lists. These can be
> as finicky as specific ip addresses of origin, or even hardware mac addresses.
>
> C//
>
You really think you know more about moderation, and the
(un)likelihood of success with it than your news admin?

You think you can retro-moderate an unmoderated group, no less one in
the rec hierarchy?

You don't even know what group to post the QUESTION to, and cross post
to NANAU of all places!

Just because moderation software is easy to obtain doesn't mean that
moderated groups are easy to set up and manage long-term ...
especially not one in the rec. hierarchy! And they are ALWAYS the
wrong answer to a troll, just giving the troll even more power than
before.

More putting it off on others instead of doing what YOU should do, eh,
Carol?

I know, let's go create a new group that everyone should have to move
to just because Carol is incapable of controlling herself! That'll
really show Jabriol, especially using auto-moderation trying to keep
out a troll! (Far easier to just filter out Carol completely, and
not even read her pond-related posts, since she keeps defending her
inability to SHUT UP.)

<snicker> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad that you really don't
get how easily you could get rid of him, if you -- one person, Carol,
YOU -- would just SHUT UP.

x-posts modified to more appopriate groups and with apologies to
rec.ponds, whose readers are hopefully killing cross-posts now.

http://www.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html

-- DE

June 3rd 05, 07:57 PM

June 3rd 05, 08:02 PM

Courageous wrote:
>>Is it possible you can do this for rec.ponds? Perhaps we can have two pond
>>groups - one where those who don't mind trolls can post, and one moderated?
>>Is that possible?
>
>
> Someone needs to look into newsgroup formation. I'm not sure, but I don't
> think one can simply change a group to moderated status.
>
> Keep in mind that moderation doesn't have to introduce difficulty to using
> the group. Usually the way it works is that newcomers, who want to post,
> have to have several of their posts approved by one of a group of moderators.
> Once this happens, all posts are automatically approved.
>
> C//
>
You're full of it, you know nothing about actual newsgroup moderation,
even less about auto-moderation.

All that is needed here is for ONE PERSON -- YOU -- to SHUT UP.

I don't think everyone in rec.ponds is willing to go through the
newsgroup creation process in the rec hierarchy, no less move to
posting to a new group, just to get rid of ONE TROLL, when the answer
is so easy: Carol, SHUT UP and that is all it takes.

SHUT UP, Carol. Talk about PONDS in rec.ponds, period, nothing else,
no response to Jabriol and he will go away, and then people MIGHT
start reading your posts again ... maybe ... if you haven't already
made everyone so nauseous by your inability to control yourself for a
second that they can't stand to read anything you write anymore.

What, are you 2 years old, that you have NO IMPULSE CONTROL?

AUK added as you're headed for some kind of award for persistent
insistent infinite cluelessness.

Cracklin'

June 3rd 05, 09:04 PM

"DE" > wrote in message
...
> More putting it off on others instead of doing what YOU should do, eh,
> Carol?
====================================
You still haven't produced all these messages I keep asking about - why
not? Because you lied or because you feel like an idiot now that you know
they all have forged headers and are all from Jabbers? You are nothing but
another TROLL DE, that's pretty plain to see. You love this and you will
continue on and on like the busy-body troll you are........ why don't you
add a few more NG and blame that on me as well? ;-)

You also have memory problems don't you? He claimed he's going to destroy
rec.ponds unless I give in to his blackmail and you know that will never
happen. So perhaps you can find someone else to troll like a good girl?
:-)))

CR...........

Cracklin'

June 3rd 05, 09:07 PM

"DE" > wrote in message
...
> Oh, I left this one out, which is the one the "I know more than my
> news admin" and "I just CAN'T CONTROL MYSELF" Carol ought to read (but
> she won't; she'll just go on inviting the troll over to play and
> adding more groups):
=======================
Keep feeding the troll DE. He's loving every minute of your attention and
time..... it's a shame you just CAN'T CONTROL YOURSELF isn't it? You
still haven't produced all the messages complete with headers you claim are
from me. No proof eh? I figured. You're nothing but another bored troll.

CR...........

Courageous

June 4th 05, 12:15 AM

>> Someone will post a rational response to your question.
>
>All I see is wise crack responses.

That's simply not true.

C//

Cracklin'

June 4th 05, 01:25 AM

"DE" > wrote in message
...
> Courageous wrote:
> >>Is it possible you can do this for rec.ponds? Perhaps we can have two
pond
> >>groups - one where those who don't mind trolls can post, and one
moderated?
> >>Is that possible?
> >
> >
> > Someone needs to look into newsgroup formation. I'm not sure, but I
don't
> > think one can simply change a group to moderated status.
> >
> > Keep in mind that moderation doesn't have to introduce difficulty to
using
> > the group. Usually the way it works is that newcomers, who want to post,
> > have to have several of their posts approved by one of a group of
moderators.
> > Once this happens, all posts are automatically approved.
> >
> > C//
----------------------------------------------
> You're full of it, you know nothing about actual newsgroup moderation,
> even less about auto-moderation.
>
> All that is needed here is for ONE PERSON -- YOU -- to SHUT UP.

## Now you're SHRIEKING your insults at Courageous???? What the hell did he
do to you? You can't tell one poster from another and yet have the gall to
claim everyone else can!!!!

> I don't think everyone in rec.ponds is willing to go through the
> newsgroup creation process in the rec hierarchy, no less move to
> posting to a new group, just to get rid of ONE TROLL, when the answer
> is so easy: Carol, SHUT UP and that is all it takes.

## No DE - YOU SHOULD SHUT UP = You can't tell one poster from another.
Courageous and I am not the same person. No wonder you think all Jabber's
inane posts with forged headers are mine! You don't know what you're
talking about!

> SHUT UP, Carol.

## WHY? Because you can't tell one poster from another, on another NG you
know nothing about no less?

Talk about PONDS in rec.ponds, period, nothing else,

## You still run your mouth after claiming everyone is smart enough to know
Jab's forgeries - and YOU don't even know them!!!! Why don't YOU just talk
about newsservers here instead of feeding this troll over and over again?

> no response to Jabriol and he will go away,

## Then why do you keep responding to him? What is your motive? Where have
I responded to him? You haven't produced one post yet you accuse and rant
and rave and shriek.....

and then people MIGHT
> start reading your posts again ... maybe ... if you haven't already
> made everyone so nauseous by your inability to control yourself for a
> second that they can't stand to read anything you write anymore.

## You would make anyone nauseous with your repetitious, redundant broken
record posts trying to keep this going so you can get your rocks off every
day.

> What, are you 2 years old, that you have NO IMPULSE CONTROL?

## What, are you 2 years old, that you have NO IMPULSE CONTROL and must get
your jollies this way?

> AUK added as you're headed for some kind of award for persistent
> insistent infinite cluelessness.

## Keep adding NGs, that's what trolls do....... maybe you and your new
friend should get a room together. :-))

CR........

June 4th 05, 05:23 AM

Cracklin' wrote:
> UTBill wrote:
>
>> On 3 Jun 2005 12:07:25 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>> nahh.. try to cross post to talk.origins.
>>
>> Is thaT A GOOD FROUP TO TROLL?
>>
>
> Yes fred.

Oh, great, now Carol will have to come along AGAIN and 'splain to us
idjits, cuz we jes' cain't figger out who it is who posts from
63.154.80.4, we'z jes' all two ST00PID to figger it owt.

I shall go prepare for my rant-at-Carol-today for tomorrow, post-haste.

-- DE

Courageous

June 5th 05, 12:28 AM

><snicker> It would be funny if it wasn't so sad that you really don't
>get how easily you could get rid of him, if you -- one person, Carol,
>YOU -- would just SHUT UP.

I am not "Carol," but /you/ might be ill, as is evidenced by your
irrational triple response to a single message. Lithium, perhaps?

C//

Kenn 'Jazz' Booth II

June 5th 05, 11:11 AM

wrote:

> kathy wrote:
>
> I understand Talk.Origins have blocked all crossposting from here. and
> have blocklisted Shared-Secrets.com for their inability to avoid the
> NYM shifting of one of their users.

Its blacklisted... not blocklisted... you sound like jabriol when you
say blocklisted...

-- Smoovious

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