Three signs of addiction

[NetMax]

The first sign was re-building a tank (polished 10 sq.ft of glass and
built a jig to hold a gap for the silicone to cure in). IMHO, anyone who
polishes aquarium glass is seriously masochistic, cheap and very addicted
to this hobby (me).

The second sign came after moving a stand (which hadn't moved in almost
10 years) to another room. Three thoughts occurred to me in a sequence
which seemed like deja-vu.
1. Wow this room is a lot bigger without the tank here.
2. It sure collects a lot of dust back there.
3. That's what happened to that fish!

I later went by the pet shop to have a 2nd tube of silicone on hand, and
there was a 50% off table in the fish dept (like I had a chance of
resisting that!). I came home with a new Pro60 bio-wheel (for only
$21cdn), and put it beside my Emperor 400 filter (which was still in a
box, un-used, from the last good sale I seen about 2 years ago). You can
never have too many good filters.... that was the 3rd sign.
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www.NetMax.tk

[bettasngoldfish]

LOL! Agreed! I can relate to #2 and #3

[Daniel Morrow]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> The first sign was re-building a tank (polished 10 sq.ft of glass and
> built a jig to hold a gap for the silicone to cure in). IMHO, anyone who
> polishes aquarium glass is seriously masochistic, cheap and very addicted
> to this hobby (me).
>
> The second sign came after moving a stand (which hadn't moved in almost
> 10 years) to another room. Three thoughts occurred to me in a sequence
> which seemed like deja-vu.
> 1. Wow this room is a lot bigger without the tank here.
> 2. It sure collects a lot of dust back there.
> 3. That's what happened to that fish!
>
> I later went by the pet shop to have a 2nd tube of silicone on hand, and
> there was a 50% off table in the fish dept (like I had a chance of
> resisting that!). I came home with a new Pro60 bio-wheel (for only
> $21cdn), and put it beside my Emperor 400 filter (which was still in a
> box, un-used, from the last good sale I seen about 2 years ago). You can
> never have too many good filters.... that was the 3rd sign.
> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>
>

I used to do that and still do to some extent. I have an unopened whisper
1000 an unopened penn plax canistar (hob like filter, pressurized), and a
bunch of other goodies too (too bad most of it is obsolete now although
more so I am glad that equipment is getting better). Good luck and never
give up your addiction! Later!

[NEIL SUESZ]

That is the truth!!!

Vicki


"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> The first sign was re-building a tank (polished 10 sq.ft of glass and
> built a jig to hold a gap for the silicone to cure in). IMHO, anyone who
> polishes aquarium glass is seriously masochistic, cheap and very addicted
> to this hobby (me).
>
> The second sign came after moving a stand (which hadn't moved in almost
> 10 years) to another room. Three thoughts occurred to me in a sequence
> which seemed like deja-vu.
> 1. Wow this room is a lot bigger without the tank here.
> 2. It sure collects a lot of dust back there.
> 3. That's what happened to that fish!
>
> I later went by the pet shop to have a 2nd tube of silicone on hand, and
> there was a 50% off table in the fish dept (like I had a chance of
> resisting that!). I came home with a new Pro60 bio-wheel (for only
> $21cdn), and put it beside my Emperor 400 filter (which was still in a
> box, un-used, from the last good sale I seen about 2 years ago). You can
> never have too many good filters.... that was the 3rd sign.
> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>
>

[Billy]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> The first sign was re-building a tank (polished 10 sq.ft of glass
> and



I nodded mournfully throughout your post, Max, particularly the part
about rediscovering lost fish.

[Gill Passman]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> The first sign was re-building a tank (polished 10 sq.ft of glass and
> built a jig to hold a gap for the silicone to cure in). IMHO, anyone who
> polishes aquarium glass is seriously masochistic, cheap and very addicted
> to this hobby (me).
>
> The second sign came after moving a stand (which hadn't moved in almost
> 10 years) to another room. Three thoughts occurred to me in a sequence
> which seemed like deja-vu.
> 1. Wow this room is a lot bigger without the tank here.
> 2. It sure collects a lot of dust back there.
> 3. That's what happened to that fish!
>
> I later went by the pet shop to have a 2nd tube of silicone on hand, and
> there was a 50% off table in the fish dept (like I had a chance of
> resisting that!). I came home with a new Pro60 bio-wheel (for only
> $21cdn), and put it beside my Emperor 400 filter (which was still in a
> box, un-used, from the last good sale I seen about 2 years ago). You can
> never have too many good filters.... that was the 3rd sign.
> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>
>
Mine are:-

1. Walking into a room and trying to work out where I could fit in another
tank
2. Arranging furniture to fit tanks into a room
3. Considering digging a pond because I can't fit anymore tanks in the house
(yet)

I would have replaced the tank in the room where you moved it from....

....and I do seem to be acquiring spare filters.....

Gill

[Ray Martini]

When I see a spare filter I try to figure what kind of tank I should get to
use that filter on.


"Gill Passman" <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote in message
.. .
>
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The first sign was re-building a tank (polished 10 sq.ft of glass and
>> built a jig to hold a gap for the silicone to cure in). IMHO, anyone who
>> polishes aquarium glass is seriously masochistic, cheap and very addicted
>> to this hobby (me).
>>
>> The second sign came after moving a stand (which hadn't moved in almost
>> 10 years) to another room. Three thoughts occurred to me in a sequence
>> which seemed like deja-vu.
>> 1. Wow this room is a lot bigger without the tank here.
>> 2. It sure collects a lot of dust back there.
>> 3. That's what happened to that fish!
>>
>> I later went by the pet shop to have a 2nd tube of silicone on hand, and
>> there was a 50% off table in the fish dept (like I had a chance of
>> resisting that!). I came home with a new Pro60 bio-wheel (for only
>> $21cdn), and put it beside my Emperor 400 filter (which was still in a
>> box, un-used, from the last good sale I seen about 2 years ago). You can
>> never have too many good filters.... that was the 3rd sign.
>> --
>> www.NetMax.tk
>>
>>
> Mine are:-
>
> 1. Walking into a room and trying to work out where I could fit in another
> tank
> 2. Arranging furniture to fit tanks into a room
> 3. Considering digging a pond because I can't fit anymore tanks in the
> house
> (yet)
>
> I would have replaced the tank in the room where you moved it from....
>
> ...and I do seem to be acquiring spare filters.....
>
> Gill
>
>

[Elaine T]

Billy wrote:
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>The first sign was re-building a tank (polished 10 sq.ft of glass
>>and
>
>
>
>
> I nodded mournfully throughout your post, Max, particularly the part
> about rediscovering lost fish.
>
>
Had to laugh over the lost fish! I've had that happen too. So THAT'S
where that SAE managed to wander off to...

I tend not to collect too much equipment, but always have a spare corner
filter, breeding net and airpump around. The problem with having an
extra heater and power filter is that sooner or later, I end up putting
them on yet another tank set-up!

--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

[NetMax]

"Gill Passman" <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote in message
.. .
>
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The first sign was re-building a tank (polished 10 sq.ft of glass and
>> built a jig to hold a gap for the silicone to cure in). IMHO, anyone
>> who
>> polishes aquarium glass is seriously masochistic, cheap and very
>> addicted
>> to this hobby (me).
>>
>> The second sign came after moving a stand (which hadn't moved in
>> almost
>> 10 years) to another room. Three thoughts occurred to me in a
>> sequence
>> which seemed like deja-vu.
>> 1. Wow this room is a lot bigger without the tank here.
>> 2. It sure collects a lot of dust back there.
>> 3. That's what happened to that fish!
>>
>> I later went by the pet shop to have a 2nd tube of silicone on hand,
>> and
>> there was a 50% off table in the fish dept (like I had a chance of
>> resisting that!). I came home with a new Pro60 bio-wheel (for only
>> $21cdn), and put it beside my Emperor 400 filter (which was still in a
>> box, un-used, from the last good sale I seen about 2 years ago). You
>> can
>> never have too many good filters.... that was the 3rd sign.
>> --
>> www.NetMax.tk
>>
>>
> Mine are:-
>
> 1. Walking into a room and trying to work out where I could fit in
> another
> tank
> 2. Arranging furniture to fit tanks into a room
> 3. Considering digging a pond because I can't fit anymore tanks in the
> house
> (yet)
>
> I would have replaced the tank in the room where you moved it from....

It's a possibility :o) Basically I'm moving the occupants of a 66g and a
40g into the 120g. That leaves me with two empty tanks to fill with
fish, plus that wall where the 120g was. I *do* have two more stackable
60g tanks in the garage which I got for nothing (both need a pane
replaced). It's a lot of work, but I should fix them as I do need more
room in my garage *the sacrifices we make* ;~).

I can sympathise with your points #1 and 2, as my house has almost no
walls for tanks. I ended up building one into a bookcase I was so
desperate.

On point #3, that's in the plan if I retire here. I already have a
run-off spring carve through the property, so I'd only need to seal the
bottom, dam it and pump it back up (it actually has several waterfalls as
the house is built into the side of a hill). Unfortunately I can't keep
fish in it, as snowmelt and heavy rainfalls would 'flush' the pond into
the river, so it's lower down the priority list.

> ...and I do seem to be acquiring spare filters.....

*danger sign*, and then you collect tanks from garage sales or garbage,
and start adding your own antiquated equipment, though when the pile gets
too high, you can always assemble them into starter kits and give them
away (daycares, schools, hospital waiting rooms etc). Recycle & Reuse
:o).
--
www.NetMax.tk

> Gill
>

[Dick]

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:05:18 +0100, "Gill Passman"
<gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
>> The first sign was re-building a tank (polished 10 sq.ft of glass and
>> built a jig to hold a gap for the silicone to cure in). IMHO, anyone who
>> polishes aquarium glass is seriously masochistic, cheap and very addicted
>> to this hobby (me).
>>
>> The second sign came after moving a stand (which hadn't moved in almost
>> 10 years) to another room. Three thoughts occurred to me in a sequence
>> which seemed like deja-vu.
>> 1. Wow this room is a lot bigger without the tank here.
>> 2. It sure collects a lot of dust back there.
>> 3. That's what happened to that fish!
>>
>> I later went by the pet shop to have a 2nd tube of silicone on hand, and
>> there was a 50% off table in the fish dept (like I had a chance of
>> resisting that!). I came home with a new Pro60 bio-wheel (for only
>> $21cdn), and put it beside my Emperor 400 filter (which was still in a
>> box, un-used, from the last good sale I seen about 2 years ago). You can
>> never have too many good filters.... that was the 3rd sign.
>> --
>> www.NetMax.tk
>>
>>
>Mine are:-
>
>1. Walking into a room and trying to work out where I could fit in another
>tank
>2. Arranging furniture to fit tanks into a room
>3. Considering digging a pond because I can't fit anymore tanks in the house
>(yet)
>
>I would have replaced the tank in the room where you moved it from....
>
>...and I do seem to be acquiring spare filters.....
>
>Gill
>

Spare filters, spare media, spare heaters, spare air stones, spare air
pumps,even a spare 29 gallon tank. Then there is the store of
medications.

Moving furniture to fit another tank? Yes!

The 10 gallon in the living room sets on top of a Sub Woofer cabinet.
When I play music the tank vibrates and I have to raise the top to
keep it from vibrating. Can't help wondering what the fish think of
the boom, boom.

So nice to be in a group in which I don't feel "different"!

dick

[NetMax]

"Dick" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:05:18 +0100, "Gill Passman"
> <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
<snip>

> The 10 gallon in the living room sets on top of a Sub Woofer cabinet.
> When I play music the tank vibrates and I have to raise the top to
> keep it from vibrating. Can't help wondering what the fish think of
> the boom, boom.
>
> So nice to be in a group in which I don't feel "different"!
>
> dick

I would have thought that a tank on a sub-woofer would not be a desirable
thing. Fish feel vibrations along their lateral lines (and I'd expect
that this was an extremely sensitive ability), and sub-woofers are
designed to vibrate. I'd guess that after a while, the effect would
deafen the fish's sense (perhaps it might not even bother them). Do you
notice any change in their behaviour during the music, or does the fish
in this tank exhibit any different behaviour compared to your other fish?
You should probably mention the sub-woofer volume you use, as I suspect
you're not really 'cranking' it like I do ;~)
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Dick]

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:42:31 -0400, "NetMax"
> wrote:

>"Dick" > wrote in message
...
>> On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:05:18 +0100, "Gill Passman"
>> <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
><snip>
>
>> The 10 gallon in the living room sets on top of a Sub Woofer cabinet.
>> When I play music the tank vibrates and I have to raise the top to
>> keep it from vibrating. Can't help wondering what the fish think of
>> the boom, boom.
>>
>> So nice to be in a group in which I don't feel "different"!
>>
>> dick
>
>I would have thought that a tank on a sub-woofer would not be a desirable
>thing. Fish feel vibrations along their lateral lines (and I'd expect
>that this was an extremely sensitive ability), and sub-woofers are
>designed to vibrate. I'd guess that after a while, the effect would
>deafen the fish's sense (perhaps it might not even bother them). Do you
>notice any change in their behaviour during the music, or does the fish
>in this tank exhibit any different behaviour compared to your other fish?
>You should probably mention the sub-woofer volume you use, as I suspect
>you're not really 'cranking' it like I do ;~)


The tank has 2 four inch Clown Loaches, 1 four inch SAE and 4 platties
of various sizes. I do raise the volume, or rather the volume does
rise from soft to very loud such as with Ravel's Bolero, or the sound
track for Star Wars thus I raise the lid to keep it from adding the
the sounds.

I haven't watched the fish too closely nor do I use the woofer very
often. I haven't noticed any obvious reactions.

As to theoreticals, I should think nature supplies lots of sounds to
fish in natural surroundings. A large rock dropping into the water
must carry lots of "db". <g> A large river enering a lake or a tree
falling.

I have long made a habit of taping on the glass to signify feeding
time. Can't say the fish pay much attention until the flakes hit the
water. Seeing is believing! <g> And yet, a visitor with their
inevitable taping cause the fish to scurry away.

The tank has been up for over 2 years, but my seldom use of the woofer
would limit the value of my experience. Most of the time I listen to
MP3 over my computer speakers. I have a cable to the audio system,
but I just don't bother to turn on the sound equipment.


dick

[Gill Passman]

"Dick" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:42:31 -0400, "NetMax"
> > wrote:
>
> >"Dick" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:05:18 +0100, "Gill Passman"
> >> <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"NetMax" > wrote in message
> ...
> ><snip>
> >
> >> The 10 gallon in the living room sets on top of a Sub Woofer cabinet.
> >> When I play music the tank vibrates and I have to raise the top to
> >> keep it from vibrating. Can't help wondering what the fish think of
> >> the boom, boom.
> >>
> >> So nice to be in a group in which I don't feel "different"!
> >>
> >> dick
> >
> >I would have thought that a tank on a sub-woofer would not be a desirable
> >thing. Fish feel vibrations along their lateral lines (and I'd expect
> >that this was an extremely sensitive ability), and sub-woofers are
> >designed to vibrate. I'd guess that after a while, the effect would
> >deafen the fish's sense (perhaps it might not even bother them). Do you
> >notice any change in their behaviour during the music, or does the fish
> >in this tank exhibit any different behaviour compared to your other fish?
> >You should probably mention the sub-woofer volume you use, as I suspect
> >you're not really 'cranking' it like I do ;~)
>
>
> The tank has 2 four inch Clown Loaches, 1 four inch SAE and 4 platties
> of various sizes. I do raise the volume, or rather the volume does
> rise from soft to very loud such as with Ravel's Bolero, or the sound
> track for Star Wars thus I raise the lid to keep it from adding the
> the sounds.
>
> I haven't watched the fish too closely nor do I use the woofer very
> often. I haven't noticed any obvious reactions.
>
> As to theoreticals, I should think nature supplies lots of sounds to
> fish in natural surroundings. A large rock dropping into the water
> must carry lots of "db". <g> A large river enering a lake or a tree
> falling.
>
> I have long made a habit of taping on the glass to signify feeding
> time. Can't say the fish pay much attention until the flakes hit the
> water. Seeing is believing! <g> And yet, a visitor with their
> inevitable taping cause the fish to scurry away.
>
> The tank has been up for over 2 years, but my seldom use of the woofer
> would limit the value of my experience. Most of the time I listen to
> MP3 over my computer speakers. I have a cable to the audio system,
> but I just don't bother to turn on the sound equipment.
>
>
> dick

Eeek....I've seen the way a plant will move if sitting on the Sub - but I
guess a filled tank is a bit more substantial and maybe we are a bit less
conservative in our use of it and the volume control :-) - in fact sometimes
the house vibrates...

One thing I have noticed is that the Clowns in the Community Tank do respond
to music above a certain level - they dance <g>

They are obviously sensitive to noise but I'm not sure how much of a problem
this is for them.....the fish swim towards the front of the tank if either
me or the boys approach but run off pretty quick if my four year old
daughter gets anywhere near....and that is just when they hear footsteps...

Gill

Gill

[NetMax]

"Gill Passman" <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Dick" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:42:31 -0400, "NetMax"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >"Dick" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:05:18 +0100, "Gill Passman"
>> >> <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>"NetMax" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >> The 10 gallon in the living room sets on top of a Sub Woofer cabinet.
>> >> When I play music the tank vibrates and I have to raise the top to
>> >> keep it from vibrating. Can't help wondering what the fish think of
>> >> the boom, boom.
>> >>
>> >> So nice to be in a group in which I don't feel "different"!
>> >>
>> >> dick
>> >
>> >I would have thought that a tank on a sub-woofer would not be a
>> >desirable
>> >thing. Fish feel vibrations along their lateral lines (and I'd expect
>> >that this was an extremely sensitive ability), and sub-woofers are
>> >designed to vibrate. I'd guess that after a while, the effect would
>> >deafen the fish's sense (perhaps it might not even bother them). Do you
>> >notice any change in their behaviour during the music, or does the fish
>> >in this tank exhibit any different behaviour compared to your other
>> >fish?
>> >You should probably mention the sub-woofer volume you use, as I suspect
>> >you're not really 'cranking' it like I do ;~)
>>
>>
>> The tank has 2 four inch Clown Loaches, 1 four inch SAE and 4 platties
>> of various sizes. I do raise the volume, or rather the volume does
>> rise from soft to very loud such as with Ravel's Bolero, or the sound
>> track for Star Wars thus I raise the lid to keep it from adding the
>> the sounds.
>>
>> I haven't watched the fish too closely nor do I use the woofer very
>> often. I haven't noticed any obvious reactions.
>>
>> As to theoreticals, I should think nature supplies lots of sounds to
>> fish in natural surroundings. A large rock dropping into the water
>> must carry lots of "db". <g> A large river enering a lake or a tree
>> falling.
>>
>> I have long made a habit of taping on the glass to signify feeding
>> time. Can't say the fish pay much attention until the flakes hit the
>> water. Seeing is believing! <g> And yet, a visitor with their
>> inevitable taping cause the fish to scurry away.
>>
>> The tank has been up for over 2 years, but my seldom use of the woofer
>> would limit the value of my experience. Most of the time I listen to
>> MP3 over my computer speakers. I have a cable to the audio system,
>> but I just don't bother to turn on the sound equipment.
>>
>>
>> dick
>
> Eeek....I've seen the way a plant will move if sitting on the Sub - but I
> guess a filled tank is a bit more substantial and maybe we are a bit less
> conservative in our use of it and the volume control :-) - in fact
> sometimes
> the house vibrates...
>
> One thing I have noticed is that the Clowns in the Community Tank do
> respond
> to music above a certain level - they dance <g>
>
> They are obviously sensitive to noise but I'm not sure how much of a
> problem
> this is for them.....the fish swim towards the front of the tank if either
> me or the boys approach but run off pretty quick if my four year old
> daughter gets anywhere near....and that is just when they hear
> footsteps...
>
> Gill


I think we could find lots of evidence to support a high level of
sensitivity, but also to their ability to simply mask it all out. For tanks
which are running airstones, turning off the pumps must temporarily 'deafen'
the fish with the silence. I'm completely uninformed as to the effects of
large non-repeating vibrations on fish which is why I was asking about
behavioural changes. Also, given the diversity in fish, I'm sure certain
species would be either more susceptible (ie: Black Ghost or any nocturnal
fish) or more oblivious (Guppies?) to the effect. Conservatively, the topic
should probably be of some concern given what we know about how some marine
life is negatively affected by noise vibrations, but for captive tropicals,
I'm not aware of any research.
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Gill Passman]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> "Gill Passman" <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote in message
> .. .
> >
> > "Dick" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:42:31 -0400, "NetMax"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Dick" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >> On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:05:18 +0100, "Gill Passman"
> >> >> <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"NetMax" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> ><snip>
> >> >
> >> >> The 10 gallon in the living room sets on top of a Sub Woofer
cabinet.
> >> >> When I play music the tank vibrates and I have to raise the top to
> >> >> keep it from vibrating. Can't help wondering what the fish think of
> >> >> the boom, boom.
> >> >>
> >> >> So nice to be in a group in which I don't feel "different"!
> >> >>
> >> >> dick
> >> >
> >> >I would have thought that a tank on a sub-woofer would not be a
> >> >desirable
> >> >thing. Fish feel vibrations along their lateral lines (and I'd expect
> >> >that this was an extremely sensitive ability), and sub-woofers are
> >> >designed to vibrate. I'd guess that after a while, the effect would
> >> >deafen the fish's sense (perhaps it might not even bother them). Do
you
> >> >notice any change in their behaviour during the music, or does the
fish
> >> >in this tank exhibit any different behaviour compared to your other
> >> >fish?


> >> >You should probably mention the sub-woofer volume you use, as I
suspect
> >> >you're not really 'cranking' it like I do ;~)
> >>
> >>
> >> The tank has 2 four inch Clown Loaches, 1 four inch SAE and 4 platties
> >> of various sizes. I do raise the volume, or rather the volume does
> >> rise from soft to very loud such as with Ravel's Bolero, or the sound
> >> track for Star Wars thus I raise the lid to keep it from adding the
> >> the sounds.
> >>
> >> I haven't watched the fish too closely nor do I use the woofer very
> >> often. I haven't noticed any obvious reactions.
> >>
> >> As to theoreticals, I should think nature supplies lots of sounds to
> >> fish in natural surroundings. A large rock dropping into the water
> >> must carry lots of "db". <g> A large river enering a lake or a tree
> >> falling.
> >>
> >> I have long made a habit of taping on the glass to signify feeding
> >> time. Can't say the fish pay much attention until the flakes hit the
> >> water. Seeing is believing! <g> And yet, a visitor with their
> >> inevitable taping cause the fish to scurry away.
> >>
> >> The tank has been up for over 2 years, but my seldom use of the woofer
> >> would limit the value of my experience. Most of the time I listen to
> >> MP3 over my computer speakers. I have a cable to the audio system,
> >> but I just don't bother to turn on the sound equipment.
> >>
> >>
> >> dick
> >
> > Eeek....I've seen the way a plant will move if sitting on the Sub - but
I
> > guess a filled tank is a bit more substantial and maybe we are a bit
less
> > conservative in our use of it and the volume control :-) - in fact
> > sometimes
> > the house vibrates...
> >
> > One thing I have noticed is that the Clowns in the Community Tank do
> > respond
> > to music above a certain level - they dance <g>
> >
> > They are obviously sensitive to noise but I'm not sure how much of a
> > problem
> > this is for them.....the fish swim towards the front of the tank if
either
> > me or the boys approach but run off pretty quick if my four year old
> > daughter gets anywhere near....and that is just when they hear
> > footsteps...
> >
> > Gill
>
>
> I think we could find lots of evidence to support a high level of
> sensitivity, but also to their ability to simply mask it all out. For
tanks
> which are running airstones, turning off the pumps must temporarily
'deafen'
> the fish with the silence. I'm completely uninformed as to the effects of
> large non-repeating vibrations on fish which is why I was asking about
> behavioural changes. Also, given the diversity in fish, I'm sure certain
> species would be either more susceptible (ie: Black Ghost or any nocturnal
> fish) or more oblivious (Guppies?) to the effect. Conservatively, the
topic
> should probably be of some concern given what we know about how some
marine
> life is negatively affected by noise vibrations, but for captive
tropicals,
> I'm not aware of any research.
> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>
>
I think we have probably all observed the effect that a sudden loud noise
will have on fish in the same way it does any animal (including me in
this)....but I haven't actually noticed any stress resulting from listening
to music - just the Clowns dancing - noone else cares.

One of my main concerns of putting a fish tank on a sub would be the effect
of the vibrations on the glass, and the fact that the tank might fall off
but that is just the way we use our sub (and I nearly lost a plant that I
put on it)....the way Dick describes his set up and usage (rare) of his sub
it doesn't seem that this is really too much of an issue. Like you, NetMax,
I would be quite interested in whether when Dick does use it he sees any
changes in the behaviour of the fish either good or bad.....

BTW - After reading this I did just think of suggesting to the other half
that maybe a tank would look good on the sub but thought better of it very,
very, very quickly....I dread to think the colour he might turn - LOL - his
"AV system" is his pride and joy. His reaction when I suggested putting one
on the cabinet that holds all the kit was interesting (grin) - but I haven't
given up hope yet - it is very solid.....and would give perfect symmetry
with the hex on the other cabinet which doesn't contain any kit other than
fish food at the moment....haven't quite given up NetMax's lovely idea of
the shellies in a small tank....

All the best
Gill

[Gill Passman]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Gill Passman" <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote in message
> .. .
> >
> > "NetMax" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> The first sign was re-building a tank (polished 10 sq.ft of glass and
> >> built a jig to hold a gap for the silicone to cure in). IMHO, anyone
> >> who
> >> polishes aquarium glass is seriously masochistic, cheap and very
> >> addicted
> >> to this hobby (me).
> >>
> >> The second sign came after moving a stand (which hadn't moved in
> >> almost
> >> 10 years) to another room. Three thoughts occurred to me in a
> >> sequence
> >> which seemed like deja-vu.
> >> 1. Wow this room is a lot bigger without the tank here.
> >> 2. It sure collects a lot of dust back there.
> >> 3. That's what happened to that fish!
> >>
> >> I later went by the pet shop to have a 2nd tube of silicone on hand,
> >> and
> >> there was a 50% off table in the fish dept (like I had a chance of
> >> resisting that!). I came home with a new Pro60 bio-wheel (for only
> >> $21cdn), and put it beside my Emperor 400 filter (which was still in a
> >> box, un-used, from the last good sale I seen about 2 years ago). You
> >> can
> >> never have too many good filters.... that was the 3rd sign.
> >> --
> >> www.NetMax.tk
> >>
> >>
> > Mine are:-
> >
> > 1. Walking into a room and trying to work out where I could fit in
> > another
> > tank
> > 2. Arranging furniture to fit tanks into a room
> > 3. Considering digging a pond because I can't fit anymore tanks in the
> > house
> > (yet)
> >
> > I would have replaced the tank in the room where you moved it from....
>
> It's a possibility :o) Basically I'm moving the occupants of a 66g and a
> 40g into the 120g. That leaves me with two empty tanks to fill with
> fish, plus that wall where the 120g was. I *do* have two more stackable
> 60g tanks in the garage which I got for nothing (both need a pane
> replaced). It's a lot of work, but I should fix them as I do need more
> room in my garage *the sacrifices we make* ;~).
>
> I can sympathise with your points #1 and 2, as my house has almost no
> walls for tanks. I ended up building one into a bookcase I was so
> desperate.
>
> On point #3, that's in the plan if I retire here. I already have a
> run-off spring carve through the property, so I'd only need to seal the
> bottom, dam it and pump it back up (it actually has several waterfalls as
> the house is built into the side of a hill). Unfortunately I can't keep
> fish in it, as snowmelt and heavy rainfalls would 'flush' the pond into
> the river, so it's lower down the priority list.
>
> > ...and I do seem to be acquiring spare filters.....
>
> *danger sign*, and then you collect tanks from garage sales or garbage,
> and start adding your own antiquated equipment, though when the pile gets
> too high, you can always assemble them into starter kits and give them
> away (daycares, schools, hospital waiting rooms etc). Recycle & Reuse
> :o).
> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>
> > Gill
> >
>
>
I've thought of another three.....

1. Someone asks you how many fish you have? Can't answer off the top of your
head

2. Someone asks you how many tanks you have? Easy

3. Someone asks you what type of fish you have and how many of each? Easy,
but if they aren't fishy people they fall asleep before you finish the
answer - lol

Gill

[NetMax]

"Gill Passman" <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote in message
.. .
>
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "Gill Passman" <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote in message
>> .. .
>> >
>> > "NetMax" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> The first sign was re-building a tank (polished 10 sq.ft of glass
>> >> and
>> >> built a jig to hold a gap for the silicone to cure in). IMHO,
>> >> anyone
>> >> who
>> >> polishes aquarium glass is seriously masochistic, cheap and very
>> >> addicted
>> >> to this hobby (me).
>> >>
>> >> The second sign came after moving a stand (which hadn't moved in
>> >> almost
>> >> 10 years) to another room. Three thoughts occurred to me in a
>> >> sequence
>> >> which seemed like deja-vu.
>> >> 1. Wow this room is a lot bigger without the tank here.
>> >> 2. It sure collects a lot of dust back there.
>> >> 3. That's what happened to that fish!
>> >>
>> >> I later went by the pet shop to have a 2nd tube of silicone on
>> >> hand,
>> >> and
>> >> there was a 50% off table in the fish dept (like I had a chance of
>> >> resisting that!). I came home with a new Pro60 bio-wheel (for only
>> >> $21cdn), and put it beside my Emperor 400 filter (which was still
>> >> in a
>> >> box, un-used, from the last good sale I seen about 2 years ago).
>> >> You
>> >> can
>> >> never have too many good filters.... that was the 3rd sign.
>> >> --
>> >> www.NetMax.tk
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Mine are:-
>> >
>> > 1. Walking into a room and trying to work out where I could fit in
>> > another
>> > tank
>> > 2. Arranging furniture to fit tanks into a room
>> > 3. Considering digging a pond because I can't fit anymore tanks in
>> > the
>> > house
>> > (yet)
>> >
>> > I would have replaced the tank in the room where you moved it
>> > from....
>>
>> It's a possibility :o) Basically I'm moving the occupants of a 66g
>> and a
>> 40g into the 120g. That leaves me with two empty tanks to fill with
>> fish, plus that wall where the 120g was. I *do* have two more
>> stackable
>> 60g tanks in the garage which I got for nothing (both need a pane
>> replaced). It's a lot of work, but I should fix them as I do need
>> more
>> room in my garage *the sacrifices we make* ;~).
>>
>> I can sympathise with your points #1 and 2, as my house has almost no
>> walls for tanks. I ended up building one into a bookcase I was so
>> desperate.
>>
>> On point #3, that's in the plan if I retire here. I already have a
>> run-off spring carve through the property, so I'd only need to seal
>> the
>> bottom, dam it and pump it back up (it actually has several waterfalls
>> as
>> the house is built into the side of a hill). Unfortunately I can't
>> keep
>> fish in it, as snowmelt and heavy rainfalls would 'flush' the pond
>> into
>> the river, so it's lower down the priority list.
>>
>> > ...and I do seem to be acquiring spare filters.....
>>
>> *danger sign*, and then you collect tanks from garage sales or
>> garbage,
>> and start adding your own antiquated equipment, though when the pile
>> gets
>> too high, you can always assemble them into starter kits and give them
>> away (daycares, schools, hospital waiting rooms etc). Recycle & Reuse
>> :o).
>> --
>> www.NetMax.tk
>>
>> > Gill
>> >
>>
>>
> I've thought of another three.....
>
> 1. Someone asks you how many fish you have? Can't answer off the top of
> your
> head

I can answer that, but I always forget a few (usually catfish, plecos or
loaches).

> 2. Someone asks you how many tanks you have? Easy

I can't answer that one, unless I only count the ones with water.

> 3. Someone asks you what type of fish you have and how many of each?
> Easy,
> but if they aren't fishy people they fall asleep before you finish the
> answer - lol

If you really want to doze them off fast, use their scientific names ;~)

If you want to keep their attention, talk about where they came from
instead... ie: Lake Malawi in Africa or Upper Mekong river in northern
China. Non-hobbyists can identify with places more easily than fish
names.
--
www.NetMax.tk


> Gill
>
>

[Dick]

On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:59:52 +0100, "Gill Passman"
<gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Dick" > wrote in message
...
>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:42:31 -0400, "NetMax"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >"Dick" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:05:18 +0100, "Gill Passman"
>> >> <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>"NetMax" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >> The 10 gallon in the living room sets on top of a Sub Woofer cabinet.
>> >> When I play music the tank vibrates and I have to raise the top to
>> >> keep it from vibrating. Can't help wondering what the fish think of
>> >> the boom, boom.
>> >>
>> >> So nice to be in a group in which I don't feel "different"!
>> >>
>> >> dick
>> >
>> >I would have thought that a tank on a sub-woofer would not be a desirable
>> >thing. Fish feel vibrations along their lateral lines (and I'd expect
>> >that this was an extremely sensitive ability), and sub-woofers are
>> >designed to vibrate. I'd guess that after a while, the effect would
>> >deafen the fish's sense (perhaps it might not even bother them). Do you
>> >notice any change in their behaviour during the music, or does the fish
>> >in this tank exhibit any different behaviour compared to your other fish?
>> >You should probably mention the sub-woofer volume you use, as I suspect
>> >you're not really 'cranking' it like I do ;~)
>>
>>
>> The tank has 2 four inch Clown Loaches, 1 four inch SAE and 4 platties
>> of various sizes. I do raise the volume, or rather the volume does
>> rise from soft to very loud such as with Ravel's Bolero, or the sound
>> track for Star Wars thus I raise the lid to keep it from adding the
>> the sounds.
>>
>> I haven't watched the fish too closely nor do I use the woofer very
>> often. I haven't noticed any obvious reactions.
>>
>> As to theoreticals, I should think nature supplies lots of sounds to
>> fish in natural surroundings. A large rock dropping into the water
>> must carry lots of "db". <g> A large river enering a lake or a tree
>> falling.
>>
>> I have long made a habit of taping on the glass to signify feeding
>> time. Can't say the fish pay much attention until the flakes hit the
>> water. Seeing is believing! <g> And yet, a visitor with their
>> inevitable taping cause the fish to scurry away.
>>
>> The tank has been up for over 2 years, but my seldom use of the woofer
>> would limit the value of my experience. Most of the time I listen to
>> MP3 over my computer speakers. I have a cable to the audio system,
>> but I just don't bother to turn on the sound equipment.
>>
>>
>> dick
>
>Eeek....I've seen the way a plant will move if sitting on the Sub - but I
>guess a filled tank is a bit more substantial and maybe we are a bit less
>conservative in our use of it and the volume control :-) - in fact sometimes
>the house vibrates...
>
>One thing I have noticed is that the Clowns in the Community Tank do respond
>to music above a certain level - they dance <g>
>
>They are obviously sensitive to noise but I'm not sure how much of a problem
>this is for them.....the fish swim towards the front of the tank if either
>me or the boys approach but run off pretty quick if my four year old
>daughter gets anywhere near....and that is just when they hear footsteps...
>
>Gill
>
>Gill
>

Unfortunately, the 2 clowns in this 10 gallon woofer tank are wimps.
They spend much of their time in the ceramic "mill house." Even when
feeding if a move one or both make a beeline for the house so I won't
get to enjoy any dances. Dancing Clowns would encourage me to use the
sound system and woofer over the computer speakers. note :-)) also
<g>

dick

[Dick]

On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 20:09:34 +0100, "Gill Passman"
<gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
>> "Gill Passman" <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote in message
>> .. .
>> >
>> > "Dick" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:42:31 -0400, "NetMax"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"Dick" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >> On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:05:18 +0100, "Gill Passman"
>> >> >> <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>"NetMax" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> ><snip>
>> >> >
>> >> >> The 10 gallon in the living room sets on top of a Sub Woofer
>cabinet.
>> >> >> When I play music the tank vibrates and I have to raise the top to
>> >> >> keep it from vibrating. Can't help wondering what the fish think of
>> >> >> the boom, boom.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So nice to be in a group in which I don't feel "different"!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> dick
>> >> >
>> >> >I would have thought that a tank on a sub-woofer would not be a
>> >> >desirable
>> >> >thing. Fish feel vibrations along their lateral lines (and I'd expect
>> >> >that this was an extremely sensitive ability), and sub-woofers are
>> >> >designed to vibrate. I'd guess that after a while, the effect would
>> >> >deafen the fish's sense (perhaps it might not even bother them). Do
>you
>> >> >notice any change in their behaviour during the music, or does the
>fish
>> >> >in this tank exhibit any different behaviour compared to your other
>> >> >fish?
>
>
>> >> >You should probably mention the sub-woofer volume you use, as I
>suspect
>> >> >you're not really 'cranking' it like I do ;~)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The tank has 2 four inch Clown Loaches, 1 four inch SAE and 4 platties
>> >> of various sizes. I do raise the volume, or rather the volume does
>> >> rise from soft to very loud such as with Ravel's Bolero, or the sound
>> >> track for Star Wars thus I raise the lid to keep it from adding the
>> >> the sounds.
>> >>
>> >> I haven't watched the fish too closely nor do I use the woofer very
>> >> often. I haven't noticed any obvious reactions.
>> >>
>> >> As to theoreticals, I should think nature supplies lots of sounds to
>> >> fish in natural surroundings. A large rock dropping into the water
>> >> must carry lots of "db". <g> A large river enering a lake or a tree
>> >> falling.
>> >>
>> >> I have long made a habit of taping on the glass to signify feeding
>> >> time. Can't say the fish pay much attention until the flakes hit the
>> >> water. Seeing is believing! <g> And yet, a visitor with their
>> >> inevitable taping cause the fish to scurry away.
>> >>
>> >> The tank has been up for over 2 years, but my seldom use of the woofer
>> >> would limit the value of my experience. Most of the time I listen to
>> >> MP3 over my computer speakers. I have a cable to the audio system,
>> >> but I just don't bother to turn on the sound equipment.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> dick
>> >
>> > Eeek....I've seen the way a plant will move if sitting on the Sub - but
>I
>> > guess a filled tank is a bit more substantial and maybe we are a bit
>less
>> > conservative in our use of it and the volume control :-) - in fact
>> > sometimes
>> > the house vibrates...
>> >
>> > One thing I have noticed is that the Clowns in the Community Tank do
>> > respond
>> > to music above a certain level - they dance <g>
>> >
>> > They are obviously sensitive to noise but I'm not sure how much of a
>> > problem
>> > this is for them.....the fish swim towards the front of the tank if
>either
>> > me or the boys approach but run off pretty quick if my four year old
>> > daughter gets anywhere near....and that is just when they hear
>> > footsteps...
>> >
>> > Gill
>>
>>
>> I think we could find lots of evidence to support a high level of
>> sensitivity, but also to their ability to simply mask it all out. For
>tanks
>> which are running airstones, turning off the pumps must temporarily
>'deafen'
>> the fish with the silence. I'm completely uninformed as to the effects of
>> large non-repeating vibrations on fish which is why I was asking about
>> behavioural changes. Also, given the diversity in fish, I'm sure certain
>> species would be either more susceptible (ie: Black Ghost or any nocturnal
>> fish) or more oblivious (Guppies?) to the effect. Conservatively, the
>topic
>> should probably be of some concern given what we know about how some
>marine
>> life is negatively affected by noise vibrations, but for captive
>tropicals,
>> I'm not aware of any research.
>> --
>> www.NetMax.tk
>>
>>
>I think we have probably all observed the effect that a sudden loud noise
>will have on fish in the same way it does any animal (including me in
>this)....but I haven't actually noticed any stress resulting from listening
>to music - just the Clowns dancing - noone else cares.
>
>One of my main concerns of putting a fish tank on a sub would be the effect
>of the vibrations on the glass, and the fact that the tank might fall off
>but that is just the way we use our sub (and I nearly lost a plant that I
>put on it)....the way Dick describes his set up and usage (rare) of his sub
>it doesn't seem that this is really too much of an issue. Like you, NetMax,
>I would be quite interested in whether when Dick does use it he sees any
>changes in the behaviour of the fish either good or bad.....
>
>BTW - After reading this I did just think of suggesting to the other half
>that maybe a tank would look good on the sub but thought better of it very,
>very, very quickly....I dread to think the colour he might turn - LOL - his
>"AV system" is his pride and joy. His reaction when I suggested putting one
>on the cabinet that holds all the kit was interesting (grin) - but I haven't
>given up hope yet - it is very solid.....and would give perfect symmetry
>with the hex on the other cabinet which doesn't contain any kit other than
>fish food at the moment....haven't quite given up NetMax's lovely idea of
>the shellies in a small tank....
>
>All the best
>Gill
>

I certainly shall take closer note of fish reactions next time I use
the woofer. However, don't hold your breath. Like my large
projection TV, my great sound system largely sits unused. Over the
last few years I find little on TV that catches my interest and now
find the sound quality just fine coming from the computer speakers. I
have gigabytes of mp3 music of many varieties and just enjoy being to
load up hours of music, but don't care to turn on the sound system in
the living room even though that is where I sit to read.

Oh yes, about movement on the woofer. I would guess the tank weighs
about 100 pounds. It doesn't walk around at all. As for the glass
leaking, nothing so far. I suspect the sealant is flexible enough to
move with the music without breaking its adhesion. Time will tell. A
leaky 10 gallon tank is not a nice dream. Further reason to not use
the woofer. <g>

dick

[Elaine T]

Gill Passman wrote:

> I've thought of another three.....
>
> 1. Someone asks you how many fish you have? Can't answer off the top of your
> head
>
> 2. Someone asks you how many tanks you have? Easy
>
> 3. Someone asks you what type of fish you have and how many of each? Easy,
> but if they aren't fishy people they fall asleep before you finish the
> answer - lol
>
> Gill
>
>
Got another...

Your significant other accuses you of internet addiction to
rec.aquaria.* newsgroups!

--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

[Gill Passman]

"Elaine T" > wrote in message
...
> Gill Passman wrote:
>
> > I've thought of another three.....
> >
> > 1. Someone asks you how many fish you have? Can't answer off the top of
your
> > head
> >
> > 2. Someone asks you how many tanks you have? Easy
> >
> > 3. Someone asks you what type of fish you have and how many of each?
Easy,
> > but if they aren't fishy people they fall asleep before you finish the
> > answer - lol
> >
> > Gill
> >
> >
> Got another...
>
> Your significant other accuses you of internet addiction to
> rec.aquaria.* newsgroups!
>
> --
> Elaine T __
> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
> rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

hmmm....yep - had that one as well :-)

[winddancir]

Hey! I thought of one!
You move out of your parent's house to your own apartment so you aren't limited to your bedroom for your fish tanks! Any one wanna congradulate me? Okay, that's only *part* of the reason I'm moving out, but it's definately one of the reasons!

[NetMax]

"winddancir" > wrote in
message . ..
>
> Hey! I thought of one!
> You move out of your parent's house to your own apartment so you aren't
> limited to your bedroom for your fish tanks! Any one wanna congradulate
> me? Okay, that's only *part* of the reason I'm moving out, but it's
> definately one of the reasons!
>
>
> --
> winddancir

Congratulations and best wishes on your move. When I lived at home I was
limited to only 2 tanks outside my room, so in my room, they were stacked
3 high on cheap metal shelves, which in hindsight should never have been
strong enough. Those were the days when even the HOB filters ran off of
airstones (in the hose or in the return pipe), so I slept to the drone of
airpumps.

Another sign of addiction :
Turn down seminars and conventions unless that city has a respectable
public aquarium to visit (I jumped at going to Chicago and stayed an
extra day to visit the Shedd).
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Dick]

On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:48:04 -0400, "NetMax"
> wrote:

>"winddancir" > wrote in
>message . ..
>>
>> Hey! I thought of one!
>> You move out of your parent's house to your own apartment so you aren't
>> limited to your bedroom for your fish tanks! Any one wanna congradulate
>> me? Okay, that's only *part* of the reason I'm moving out, but it's
>> definately one of the reasons!
>>
>>
>> --
>> winddancir
>
>Congratulations and best wishes on your move. When I lived at home I was
>limited to only 2 tanks outside my room, so in my room, they were stacked
>3 high on cheap metal shelves, which in hindsight should never have been
>strong enough. Those were the days when even the HOB filters ran off of
>airstones (in the hose or in the return pipe), so I slept to the drone of
>airpumps.
>
>Another sign of addiction :
>Turn down seminars and conventions unless that city has a respectable
>public aquarium to visit (I jumped at going to Chicago and stayed an
>extra day to visit the Shedd).


Wow, Winddancir, I thought I was tank struck. When I left home it
was to have freedom. (not sure what for). Having fish at that time
would have limited my freedom to roam! <g>

I really relate to early tank setups. Who knew how much all that
water and sand weighed? Mine were in my bedroom during Junior high
school. I have tried several times to remember what happened to them,
the memory is just as gone and the tanks were by the time I went to
High school.

dick

[Gill Passman]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> "winddancir" > wrote in
> message . ..
> >
> > Hey! I thought of one!
> > You move out of your parent's house to your own apartment so you aren't
> > limited to your bedroom for your fish tanks! Any one wanna congradulate
> > me? Okay, that's only *part* of the reason I'm moving out, but it's
> > definately one of the reasons!
> >
> >
> > --
> > winddancir
>
> Congratulations and best wishes on your move. When I lived at home I was
> limited to only 2 tanks outside my room, so in my room, they were stacked
> 3 high on cheap metal shelves, which in hindsight should never have been
> strong enough. Those were the days when even the HOB filters ran off of
> airstones (in the hose or in the return pipe), so I slept to the drone of
> airpumps.
>
> Another sign of addiction :
> Turn down seminars and conventions unless that city has a respectable
> public aquarium to visit (I jumped at going to Chicago and stayed an
> extra day to visit the Shedd).
> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>
>
How about "spamming" husband all day (he works from home) to get him to
check on the temps in the tanks? Oh, and sharing the temp problem with any
work colleague who would stand still long enough - lol

[Gill Passman]

"winddancir" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> Hey! I thought of one!
> You move out of your parent's house to your own apartment so you aren't
> limited to your bedroom for your fish tanks! Any one wanna congradulate
> me? Okay, that's only *part* of the reason I'm moving out, but it's
> definately one of the reasons!
>
>
> --
> winddancir

Suggesting we move house to find somewhere with more walls and spaces for
tanks?