Poison ivy and ponds

[Galen Hekhuis]

I'm showing off some of the plants I put in at the edge of one of my ponds
and the person I was showing them off to pointed to another plant and said:
"Uh, isn't that poison ivy?" Now I'm not allergic to poison ivy or any
other stuff like that (I would have known, I planted some stuff right in
the middle of a poison ivy patch, there's no way I could have avoided it.)
so I've never really tried to watch out for it or even learn to identify it
too well. I Googled up a bunch of stuff on it and the pictures look like
it so I'm pretty sure that's what it is and even though it doesn't do
anything to me it still creeps me out. The past few weeks I've been
looking around for it and have found it only in three places.
Unfortunately they are at the edges of ponds and places that I have bush
hogged recently. I've bush hogged lots of other places where poison ivy
has not sprung up so I don't think the bush hog is infected or anything. I
do wonder if I am creating especially inviting places for poison ivy (and
if so, how to avoid doing it) by creating tree/pond/grassy interfaces.
What is the best way to get rid of what I have growing? I took a squirt
bottle of Round-up (tm) to it and then thought that Round-up might not be
the best thing. I'm not really opposed to the "Kill them all, let God sort
it out" theory of scorched earth weed killing, but there are a bunch of
neat little critters that live in those ponds and I'd really hate to screw
up their home. Short of digging out individual plants by the roots (I may
resort to that) is there any kind, gentle way to kill the evil weed?

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
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[Koi4Me]

"Galen Hekhuis" > wrote in message
...
> I'm showing off some of the plants I put in at the edge of one of my ponds
> and the person I was showing them off to pointed to another plant and
said:
> "Uh, isn't that poison ivy?" Now I'm not allergic to poison ivy or any
> other stuff like that (I would have known, I planted some stuff right in
> the middle of a poison ivy patch, there's no way I could have avoided it.)
> so I've never really tried to watch out for it or even learn to identify
it
> too well. I Googled up a bunch of stuff on it and the pictures look like
> it so I'm pretty sure that's what it is and even though it doesn't do
> anything to me it still creeps me out. The past few weeks I've been
> looking around for it and have found it only in three places.
> Unfortunately they are at the edges of ponds and places that I have bush
> hogged recently.

## I have it growing wild besides my ponds as well. It's mixed in with the
English Ivy. :-(

I've bush hogged lots of other places where poison ivy
> has not sprung up so I don't think the bush hog is infected or anything.
I
> do wonder if I am creating especially inviting places for poison ivy (and
> if so, how to avoid doing it) by creating tree/pond/grassy interfaces.
> What is the best way to get rid of what I have growing?

## If you can dig out the roots you may get rid of it. It's a difficult
plant to kill off. Even weed killers leave it sick but not dead. We just
bought a different weed and brush killer for it. Round-Up just isn't doing
the job.

I took a squirt
> bottle of Round-up (tm) to it and then thought that Round-up might not be
> the best thing. I'm not really opposed to the "Kill them all, let God
sort
> it out" theory of scorched earth weed killing, but there are a bunch of
> neat little critters that live in those ponds and I'd really hate to screw
> up their home. Short of digging out individual plants by the roots (I may

> resort to that) is there any kind, gentle way to kill the evil weed?

## You just said it.... grub the stuff out if you can.
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[RichToyBox]

The following site says that roundup can be used to control the poison ivy.
http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/plantpage/flora/poivy/ The
botanist for the National Botanical Gardens in Washington DC said at a pond
meeting several years ago, that Roundup can be used to control weeds in
natural ponds without affecting the fish and other animals. It is
apparently neutralized on contact with water. I would, personally, limit
the amount of roundup going into the pond, but not be too worried about
minimal overspray. Some insecticides are very toxic, even in small
quantities.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

"Galen Hekhuis" > wrote in message
...
> I'm showing off some of the plants I put in at the edge of one of my ponds
> and the person I was showing them off to pointed to another plant and
> said:
> "Uh, isn't that poison ivy?" Now I'm not allergic to poison ivy or any
> other stuff like that (I would have known, I planted some stuff right in
> the middle of a poison ivy patch, there's no way I could have avoided it.)
> so I've never really tried to watch out for it or even learn to identify
> it
> too well. I Googled up a bunch of stuff on it and the pictures look like
> it so I'm pretty sure that's what it is and even though it doesn't do
> anything to me it still creeps me out. The past few weeks I've been
> looking around for it and have found it only in three places.
> Unfortunately they are at the edges of ponds and places that I have bush
> hogged recently. I've bush hogged lots of other places where poison ivy
> has not sprung up so I don't think the bush hog is infected or anything.
> I
> do wonder if I am creating especially inviting places for poison ivy (and
> if so, how to avoid doing it) by creating tree/pond/grassy interfaces.
> What is the best way to get rid of what I have growing? I took a squirt
> bottle of Round-up (tm) to it and then thought that Round-up might not be
> the best thing. I'm not really opposed to the "Kill them all, let God
> sort
> it out" theory of scorched earth weed killing, but there are a bunch of
> neat little critters that live in those ponds and I'd really hate to screw
> up their home. Short of digging out individual plants by the roots (I may
> resort to that) is there any kind, gentle way to kill the evil weed?
>
> Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
> Illiterate? Write for FREE help

[mos]

I wasn't allergic to it either, until about 2 years ago.....and then it
brushed against my arm as I pulled it out with gloved hands. I had it
over my entire upper body by the time it was done with me. It took two
courses of steroids and lost time working in a neonatal ICU because it
was just a mess...so I have a healthy respect for it. It might not
bother you this year...but it might be havoc for a visitor. Now I get
the brush killer stuff right up close to it, with a paper plate cut, so
it forms a collar and I just spray that plant. Then after it is dead,
I use a plastic bag, grab it from the inside out and tie it up. Works
like a charm. It comes up right by my pond also. I'd get rid of
it....like I said, never was allergic, even walked through it....but
then one fine day, years later........"Leaves of three...let it be"
Maureen

Galen Hekhuis wrote:
> I'm showing off some of the plants I put in at the edge of one of my ponds
> and the person I was showing them off to pointed to another plant and said:
> "Uh, isn't that poison ivy?" Now I'm not allergic to poison ivy or any
> other stuff like that (I would have known, I planted some stuff right in
> the middle of a poison ivy patch, there's no way I could have avoided it.)
> so I've never really tried to watch out for it or even learn to identify it
> too well. I Googled up a bunch of stuff on it and the pictures look like
> it so I'm pretty sure that's what it is and even though it doesn't do
> anything to me it still creeps me out. The past few weeks I've been
> looking around for it and have found it only in three places.
> Unfortunately they are at the edges of ponds and places that I have bush
> hogged recently. I've bush hogged lots of other places where poison ivy
> has not sprung up so I don't think the bush hog is infected or anything. I
> do wonder if I am creating especially inviting places for poison ivy (and
> if so, how to avoid doing it) by creating tree/pond/grassy interfaces.
> What is the best way to get rid of what I have growing? I took a squirt
> bottle of Round-up (tm) to it and then thought that Round-up might not be
> the best thing. I'm not really opposed to the "Kill them all, let God sort
> it out" theory of scorched earth weed killing, but there are a bunch of
> neat little critters that live in those ponds and I'd really hate to screw
> up their home. Short of digging out individual plants by the roots (I may
> resort to that) is there any kind, gentle way to kill the evil weed?
>
> Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
> Illiterate? Write for FREE help

[George]

"RichToyBox" > wrote in message
...
> The following site says that roundup can be used to control the poison
> ivy. http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/plantpage/flora/poivy/
> The botanist for the National Botanical Gardens in Washington DC said at
> a pond meeting several years ago, that Roundup can be used to control
> weeds in natural ponds without affecting the fish and other animals. It
> is apparently neutralized on contact with water. I would, personally,
> limit the amount of roundup going into the pond, but not be too worried
> about minimal overspray. Some insecticides are very toxic, even in small
> quantities.
> --
> RichToyBox
> http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html

Hmmm. We are talking about plants here, aren't we? Roundup is an
herbicide, not an insecticide. Just thought I would clarify that point.

[Koi4Me]

" George" > wrote in message
news:bPOpe.29317$_o.14422@attbi_s71...
> Hmmm. We are talking about plants here, aren't we? Roundup is an
> herbicide, not an insecticide. Just thought I would clarify that point.
==================
And it's very difficult to kill poison ivy with Round-Up. It simply turns
it yellow, some leaves may fall but it's back in no time. Getting the root
to die is no easy task. Someone recommended we try Spectracide's
TripleStrike on it... we just picked some up the other day.
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[how]

"RichToyBox" > wrote in message
...
> snip
> The botanist for the National Botanical Gardens in Washington DC said at
> a pond meeting several years ago, that Roundup can be used to control
> weeds in natural ponds without affecting the fish and other animals. It
> is apparently neutralized on contact with water. I would, personally,
> limit the amount of roundup going into the pond, snip

Hi,
What this poster is recommending is illegal. While Roundup may be effective
on poison ivy it is dangerous and as stated above illegal to use on water,
period. When all else fails RTFL. I googled "roundup + water" sans quotes,
and chose these links from 800,000.

http://www.pitt.edu/~relyea/Roundup.html "bad for amphibians"

read Relyea's report
http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/2005/Roundup-Tadpoles-Relyea1apr05.htm

quoted from http://darwin.bio.uci.edu/~sustain/global/sensem/burry298.html
begin quote "Aquatic Midge larvae are killed in 55 PPM of glyphosate
50% of test populations of a predatory mite was killed by exposure to
Roundup
The endangered longhorn beetle is susceptible to low levels of glyphosate
As little as 10 PPM has been shown to kill 50% of test populations of fish"
end quote
HTH -_- how
no NEWS is good

[Koi4Me]

"how" > wrote in message
. ..
> "RichToyBox" > wrote in message
> ...
> > snip
> > The botanist for the National Botanical Gardens in Washington DC said
at
> > a pond meeting several years ago, that Roundup can be used to control
> > weeds in natural ponds without affecting the fish and other animals. It
> > is apparently neutralized on contact with water. I would, personally,
> > limit the amount of roundup going into the pond, snip
>
> Hi,
> What this poster is recommending is illegal. While Roundup may be
effective
> on poison ivy it is dangerous and as stated above illegal to use on water,
> period. When all else fails RTFL. I googled "roundup + water" sans quotes,
> and chose these links from 800,000.
>
> http://www.pitt.edu/~relyea/Roundup.html "bad for amphibians"
>
> read Relyea's report
> http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/2005/Roundup-Tadpoles-Relyea1apr05.htm
>
> quoted from http://darwin.bio.uci.edu/~sustain/global/sensem/burry298.html
> begin quote "Aquatic Midge larvae are killed in 55 PPM of glyphosate
> 50% of test populations of a predatory mite was killed by exposure to
> Roundup
> The endangered longhorn beetle is susceptible to low levels of glyphosate
> As little as 10 PPM has been shown to kill 50% of test populations of
fish"
> end quote
> HTH -_- how
> no NEWS is good
===========================
Thanks for this information. I suspected it could be dangerous around ponds
and that's why I hesitated to use it on the poison ivy around the pond's
berm. I just looked at the label on Round-Up and all it says is not to
spray it directly on water - no mention of danger to fish or other critters.
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[Stephen Henning]

Courageous > wrote:

> >I wasn't allergic to it either, until about 2 years ago.....and then it
> >brushed against my arm as I pulled it out with gloved hands. I had it
> >over my entire upper body by the time it was done with me.
>
> This isn't that unusual. Someone, largely immune to poison ivy or poison
> oak, can swing about one day and have a very bad reaction.

For most people, the allergy to poison ivy is acquired. People are
seldom ever allergic on first contact. However, when it does hit, it
can be devastating. Once, one becomes allergic, they stay allergic.

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[Stephen Henning]

"RichToyBox" > wrote:

> The following site says that roundup can be used to control the poison ivy.
> http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/plantpage/flora/poivy/

Roundup does work on poison ivy. I have been using it for many years.
You need to use a strong mixture and add a spreader/sticker and may need
to reapply. Roundup works best on mature plants that are sending sap to
the roots, since it works by killing the roots. On very tall vines of
poison ivy, cut the ivy off about chest high and spray the lower part.
Poison ivy spreads by the rhizomatous roots and the seeds which birds
spread in their guano.

> The botanist for the National Botanical Gardens in Washington DC said at a
> meeting several years ago, that Roundup can be used to control weeds in
> natural ponds without affecting the fish and other animals. It is
> apparently neutralized on contact with water.

It is not neutralized on contact with water since it is an aqueous
solution. It is neutralized with water which contains clay particles.
It is the clay that neutralizes it. It is best to apply with a brush or
a cotton glove over a plastic glove so there is not over-spray that gets
into the pond or hits plants you don't want to kill.
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[~Roy~]

I do not think Round Up is approved for use in and around any ponds
or waters........The companion product Rodeo is supposedly recomended
for use in and around water. Rodeo is used to kill aquatic weeds etc,
and it states how to use it "in" and around ponds etc, but then in its
cautions it says to keep it from getting into thr water.........go
figure. I always use a surfficant with any products I spray as it
makes for all the differences in the world in the plants ability to
hold thre treatment on its vegetation and not run off. Less wasted
product with a surfficant. I take a mop, saturate it, wring it out to
the point its not dripping, and just swab whatever I want killed. Been
doing it like that for years now in and around my pond without any
problems. I even managed to eliminate a lot of water clover and
parrots feather and cat tails this way...........

I don't think Roundup or Rodeo releases any problematic stuff once its
taken in by the plant, so what would have to be neutralized? These two
chemicals kill by going to the root system.......

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[George]

"Koi4Me" <invalid@invalid> wrote in message
...
>
> " George" > wrote in message
> news:bPOpe.29317$_o.14422@attbi_s71...
>> Hmmm. We are talking about plants here, aren't we? Roundup is an
>> herbicide, not an insecticide. Just thought I would clarify that point.
> ==================
> And it's very difficult to kill poison ivy with Round-Up. It simply
> turns
> it yellow, some leaves may fall but it's back in no time. Getting the
> root
> to die is no easy task. Someone recommended we try Spectracide's
> TripleStrike on it... we just picked some up the other day.
> --
> McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
> EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
> before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED.
> Do not feed the trolls.
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

I'm so allergic to it that I begin iching just having this conversation.
My method? Nuke the entire area and ask questions later.

[Koi-minator]

"Stephen Henning" > wrote in message
...
> "RichToyBox" > wrote:
>
> > The following site says that roundup can be used to control the poison
ivy.
> > http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/plantpage/flora/poivy/
>
> Roundup does work on poison ivy. I have been using it for many years.
> You need to use a strong mixture and add a spreader/sticker and may need
> to reapply. Roundup works best on mature plants that are sending sap to
> the roots, since it works by killing the roots. On very tall vines of
> poison ivy, cut the ivy off about chest high and spray the lower part.
> Poison ivy spreads by the rhizomatous roots and the seeds which birds
> spread in their guano.

## And that's how we believe it keeps showing up on our property. :-( We
used RoundUp at 6 oz. per gallon and had about a 50% killrate for poison ivy
in the past. I held cardboard behind it to avoid it going into the ponds
and sprayed what's tangled in the net and net's support 3 weeks ago. It
turned yellow and kept right on growing. Is it possible plants can develop
immunity to weed killers like bacteria develop immunity to antibiotics?

> > The botanist for the National Botanical Gardens in Washington DC said at
a
> > meeting several years ago, that Roundup can be used to control weeds in
> > natural ponds without affecting the fish and other animals. It is
> > apparently neutralized on contact with water.

> It is not neutralized on contact with water since it is an aqueous
> solution. It is neutralized with water which contains clay particles.
> It is the clay that neutralizes it. It is best to apply with a brush or
> a cotton glove over a plastic glove so there is not over-spray that gets
> into the pond or hits plants you don't want to kill.

## This way sounds much safer around our fish... thanks! :-)

> Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to
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[Galen Hekhuis]

On 8 Jun 2005 19:54:23 -0700, "mos" > wrote:

>I wasn't allergic to it either, until about 2 years ago.....and then it
>brushed against my arm as I pulled it out with gloved hands. I had it
>over my entire upper body by the time it was done with me. It took two
>courses of steroids and lost time working in a neonatal ICU because it
>was just a mess...so I have a healthy respect for it. It might not
>bother you this year...but it might be havoc for a visitor. Now I get
>the brush killer stuff right up close to it, with a paper plate cut, so
>it forms a collar and I just spray that plant. Then after it is dead,
>I use a plastic bag, grab it from the inside out and tie it up. Works
>like a charm. It comes up right by my pond also. I'd get rid of
>it....like I said, never was allergic, even walked through it....but
>then one fine day, years later........"Leaves of three...let it be"
>Maureen

A similar thing happened to my grandfather. He was leading his troops
(National Guard) and when they picked a place to camp, he said not to worry
about the poison ivy, he wasn't allergic and that he would pull it out. To
make a long story shorter, he found out then that he was no longer immune,
and even spent time in the infirmary to emphasize it. If it was only me,
I'd be content to just let it be, but I'm not the only one likely to come
in contact with it. Besides, there isn't a whole lot of it, only four
patches on the whole property, so I think I have a chance to "eradicate"
it. I know you can't really eradicate it, as it can easily be reseeded by
birds and stuff. We have fire ants here in the southeast too, and while
you can't really "eradicate" them, you can they can be kept to a minimum.
I sure don't want to do anything to encourage it, however.

Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
Illiterate? Write for FREE help

[Stephen Henning]

"Koi-minator" <invalid@invalid> wrote:

> > Roundup does work on poison ivy. I have been using it for many years.
> > You need to use a strong mixture and add a spreader/sticker and may need
> > to reapply. Roundup works best on mature plants that are sending sap to
> > the roots, since it works by killing the roots. On very tall vines of
> > poison ivy, cut the ivy off about chest high and spray the lower part.
> > Poison ivy spreads by the rhizomatous roots and the seeds which birds
> > spread in their guano.
>
> ## And that's how we believe it keeps showing up on our property. :-( We
> used RoundUp at 6 oz. per gallon and had about a 50% killrate for poison ivy
> in the past.

I use Roundup at a rate of 4 oz per gallon and get 99% kill rate. I am
spraying new seedlings that have small roots. If you are spraying a
field with established rhizomes, then you will need to keep at it since
the rhizomes can extend many feet under ground. Unless you spray every
green leaf that comes out of the rhizome (which may extend over acres),
you won't effect a kill. If you cut a trench round the kill area about
a food deep, it will sever the rhizome around your kill area so you can
get a complete kill. If you plow a field of rhizomes, every piece will
form a new plant.

In large areas, mowing repeatedly may drain the rhizomes enough so that
spraying will be more effective or not even necessary.
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[Stephen Henning]

Stephen Henning > wrote:

> If you are spraying a
> field with established rhizomes, then you will need to keep at it since
> the rhizomes can extend many feet under ground.

I should have said many feet laterally under ground. They never go very
deep. When I plant Christmas trees, I pull out long poison ivy
rhizomes. They are usually never more than 3 or 4 inches below the
surface. I am allergic to poison ivy so I wear gloves, long sleeves and
wrist guards. When I come in I put my clothes in the wash and
immediately take a good shower with a strong soap. I seldom get much of
any rash.
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[Koi-minator]

"Stephen Henning" > wrote in message
...
> "Koi-minator" <invalid@invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Roundup does work on poison ivy. I have been using it for many years.
> > > You need to use a strong mixture and add a spreader/sticker and may
need
> > > to reapply. Roundup works best on mature plants that are sending sap
to
> > > the roots, since it works by killing the roots. On very tall vines of
> > > poison ivy, cut the ivy off about chest high and spray the lower part.
> > > Poison ivy spreads by the rhizomatous roots and the seeds which birds
> > > spread in their guano.
> >
> > ## And that's how we believe it keeps showing up on our property.
:-( We
> > used RoundUp at 6 oz. per gallon and had about a 50% killrate for poison
ivy
> > in the past.
>
> I use Roundup at a rate of 4 oz per gallon and get 99% kill rate. I am
> spraying new seedlings that have small roots. If you are spraying a
> field with established rhizomes, then you will need to keep at it since
> the rhizomes can extend many feet under ground. Unless you spray every
> green leaf that comes out of the rhizome (which may extend over acres),
> you won't effect a kill. If you cut a trench round the kill area about
> a food deep, it will sever the rhizome around your kill area so you can
> get a complete kill. If you plow a field of rhizomes, every piece will
> form a new plant.

$$ Thanks Stephen. No acres of the ivy. It's just a few large plants that
came up around the ponds rock necklace. I sprayed them again today (last of
the Round-Up) and made sure to cover all the leaves that I could see.
They're still a bit yellow from the last spraying. I'm so deadly allergic
to them I find it difficult to get to all the leaves since they are tangled
with the net in places, the English ivy, daylillies, hostas and the other
plants around the pond's berm. I will get the rash right through a long
sleeve shirt and sometimes jeans. :-(

> In large areas, mowing repeatedly may drain the rhizomes enough so that
> spraying will be more effective or not even necessary.

$$ When we redo the collapsing berm/sides my husband will grub it out by the
roots if possible, and we'll spray, spray, spray since the fish will be in a
1,500 gallon holding pool behind the house - far from the spray. I also
plan to use that landscape cloth to help hold down unwanted plants including
the poison ivy. I should never have taken the advice to make the sides
almost straight as now we have a problem with them collapsing or bellying
in.

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[Courageous]

>I wasn't allergic to it either, until about 2 years ago.....and then it
>brushed against my arm as I pulled it out with gloved hands. I had it
>over my entire upper body by the time it was done with me.

This isn't that unusual. Someone, largely immune to poison ivy or poison
oak, can swing about one day and have a very bad reaction.

C//

[mark Bannister]

mos wrote:
> I wasn't allergic to it either, until about 2 years ago.....and then it
> brushed against my arm as I pulled it out with gloved hands. I had it
>
Yep, same thing happened to my 70 year old mother. Hospital, steroids,
the whole lot.
Don't take this stuff for granted. I know people who can't go into
their yard. The slightest contact causes a life threatening reaction.

Don't use round-up near water. If you do use it, it helps to apply on
cloudy days. Sunlight breaks it down quickly.

Remember that even dead, dried up poison ivy can cause a reaction. (Of
course never burn it.) Clean tools/gloves with bleach water. (I once got
some inside my tennis shoes. Every time I wore them I got it between my
toes. Now every time I get it, it pops up there.

Stop it young if possible.

mark B.

[mark Bannister]

Oh yeah, I forgot this little tidbit. If you get poison ivy and can't
stop the itching, run the effected area under the hottest water you can
stand. While running under water you will have the most intense
sensation you can imagine. It's like all the itching is coming out at
once. Afterward you will get a short period of relief. You may feel
the desire to smoke a cigarette.

Mark B.

[Kio-N-Stuff]

"mark Bannister" > wrote in message
...
> Oh yeah, I forgot this little tidbit. If you get poison ivy and can't
> stop the itching, run the effected area under the hottest water you can
> stand. While running under water you will have the most intense
> sensation you can imagine. It's like all the itching is coming out at
> once. Afterward you will get a short period of relief. You may feel
> the desire to smoke a cigarette.
>
> Mark B.
========================
I find that Ivarest stops the itching almost instantly. If the rash is
really thick with blisters, two applications are needed.
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before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED.
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[Ann R]

A natural way to stop the itch and shorten the duration of rash is to use
spotted jewel weed. You can take the leaves and bruise them and rub it on
the area OR fill a large pot with the leaves and stems. Cover with water
and boil until water is reduced by half. Strain, cool and make ice cubes
with it. Store cubes in plastic bag. When you've been exposed to poison
ivy, rub jewel weed ice cube on area. If you cover the area right away,
you may never get the rash.

Learned this while living in Kentucky. My doctor didn't believe me so we
used my husband as a guinea pig. My husband only had to walk past a plant
and he caught it, big oozing blisters and all. On one arm we used the
doctors prescription. On the other my jewel weed ice cubes. The jewel weed
arm was clear in 2 days - honest. When the doctor's arm didn't clear up,
hubby used my ice cubes.

Try it. It's a free and easy. All you have to lose is the itch and rash
: ). Spotted jewel weed usually grows wild in damp areas along streams and
ponds.
--
Ann R
"Kio-N-Stuff" <invalid@invalid> wrote in message
...
>
> "mark Bannister" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Oh yeah, I forgot this little tidbit. If you get poison ivy and can't
>> stop the itching, run the effected area under the hottest water you can
>> stand. While running under water you will have the most intense
>> sensation you can imagine. It's like all the itching is coming out at
>> once. Afterward you will get a short period of relief. You may feel
>> the desire to smoke a cigarette.
>>
>> Mark B.
> ========================
> I find that Ivarest stops the itching almost instantly. If the rash is
> really thick with blisters, two applications are needed.
> --
> McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
> EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
> before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED.
> Do not feed the trolls.
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>

[Kio-N-Stuff]

"Ann R" > wrote in message
news:vqpqe.329$aR1.65@trndny02...
> A natural way to stop the itch and shorten the duration of rash is to use
> spotted jewel weed. You can take the leaves and bruise them and rub it on
> the area OR fill a large pot with the leaves and stems. Cover with water
> and boil until water is reduced by half. Strain, cool and make ice cubes
> with it. Store cubes in plastic bag. When you've been exposed to poison
> ivy, rub jewel weed ice cube on area. If you cover the area right away,
> you may never get the rash.
>
> Learned this while living in Kentucky. My doctor didn't believe me so we
> used my husband as a guinea pig. My husband only had to walk past a plant
> and he caught it, big oozing blisters and all. On one arm we used the
> doctors prescription. On the other my jewel weed ice cubes. The jewel
weed
> arm was clear in 2 days - honest. When the doctor's arm didn't clear up,
> hubby used my ice cubes.
>
> Try it. It's a free and easy. All you have to lose is the itch and rash
> : ). Spotted jewel weed usually grows wild in damp areas along streams and
> ponds.
==========================
I wouldn't know a Jewel Weed if I fell over it. :-) I'll see if I can find
a pic on the net. Thanks.
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED.
Do not feed the trolls.
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Tom L. La Bron]

Folks,

Poison Ivy is a very hard plant to deal with. Gloves and shears is about
one of the only ways to get rid of it and then spray the injured stems with
Round up or other plant killers. We have a liquid that the Feed Store
sells, but I don't remember the name and it will kill just about every thing
you put it on.

Of course you have to be careful no matter what you use.

The important thing that you don't want to do if you kill the climber is to
rototil the soil or disturb the roots in any way. They release a chemical
that kills anything else that tries to grow where the plant was disturbed.
You can plant flower gingerly in the area, but disturb on the very top of
the soil. Natural decomposition of roots seems to destroys the chemical
that kill the plants if you disturb the roots.

What ever you do, DO NOT BURN the stems or leaves. The oils can become
airborne and will affect individuals and even people who normally are not
affected may be affect if the oil ladened smoke gets in their eyes or in
their noses.

Tom L.L.
-------------------------------------------------
"Galen Hekhuis" > wrote in message
...
> I'm showing off some of the plants I put in at the edge of one of my ponds
> and the person I was showing them off to pointed to another plant and
> said:
> "Uh, isn't that poison ivy?" Now I'm not allergic to poison ivy or any
> other stuff like that (I would have known, I planted some stuff right in
> the middle of a poison ivy patch, there's no way I could have avoided it.)
> so I've never really tried to watch out for it or even learn to identify
> it
> too well. I Googled up a bunch of stuff on it and the pictures look like
> it so I'm pretty sure that's what it is and even though it doesn't do
> anything to me it still creeps me out. The past few weeks I've been
> looking around for it and have found it only in three places.
> Unfortunately they are at the edges of ponds and places that I have bush
> hogged recently. I've bush hogged lots of other places where poison ivy
> has not sprung up so I don't think the bush hog is infected or anything.
> I
> do wonder if I am creating especially inviting places for poison ivy (and
> if so, how to avoid doing it) by creating tree/pond/grassy interfaces.
> What is the best way to get rid of what I have growing? I took a squirt
> bottle of Round-up (tm) to it and then thought that Round-up might not be
> the best thing. I'm not really opposed to the "Kill them all, let God
> sort
> it out" theory of scorched earth weed killing, but there are a bunch of
> neat little critters that live in those ponds and I'd really hate to screw
> up their home. Short of digging out individual plants by the roots (I may
> resort to that) is there any kind, gentle way to kill the evil weed?
>
> Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
> Illiterate? Write for FREE help

[Ridge Roofing, Inc.]

I've found that regular Round-Up seems to work much better on poison
ivy than their Heavy Brush & Poison Ivy killer. Don't know why but it
does.

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:17:33 -0500, mark Bannister
> wrote:

>mos wrote:
>> I wasn't allergic to it either, until about 2 years ago.....and then it
>> brushed against my arm as I pulled it out with gloved hands. I had it
>>
>Yep, same thing happened to my 70 year old mother. Hospital, steroids,
>the whole lot.
>Don't take this stuff for granted. I know people who can't go into
>their yard. The slightest contact causes a life threatening reaction.
>
>Don't use round-up near water. If you do use it, it helps to apply on
>cloudy days. Sunlight breaks it down quickly.
>
>Remember that even dead, dried up poison ivy can cause a reaction. (Of
>course never burn it.) Clean tools/gloves with bleach water. (I once got
>some inside my tennis shoes. Every time I wore them I got it between my
>toes. Now every time I get it, it pops up there.
>
>Stop it young if possible.
>
>mark B.

[Courageous]

>What ever you do, DO NOT BURN the stems or leaves. The oils can become
>airborne and will affect individuals and even people who normally are not
>affected may be affect if the oil ladened smoke gets in their eyes or in
>their noses.

Out here in Calfornia, burning poison oak kills a firefighters every
once in when. "Poison oak of the lungs" is a very serious medical
issue.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if some people reacted that way to poison
ivy.

C//