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Ray Fischer
June 15th 05, 05:42 AM
Wilmdale > wrote:
>What is legal is not always right.

What you want is not always legal or moral.

> One of the weakest arguments for the
>legitimacy of abortion is that it is legal.

But that argument is rarely used (if ever), and so it looks like
you're battling against a convenient strawman.

> Civil law does not determine
>morality.

Neither do you.

> Rather, the law should reflect a morality that exists
>independently of the law.

Whose morality is that?

> "In the last century, slave owners argued that the slaves were theirs
>and they had the right to do with them as they wished. [Slave owners]

Much as abortion opponents argue that a fetus should have the right to
do as it wishes with the woman's body.

[...]
>With advances in technology and in understanding of human fetal
>development, premature babies' chances of survival are improving.

They are not. There has been almost no change in the past couple of
decades.

> The
>RCOG stated in Preterm Labour and its Consequences (1985) that: "In 1984,

It's now 20 years later.

>the womb has become the
>most dangerous place in America.

That's just a stupid lie.

--
Ray Fischer

Pat Winstanley
June 16th 05, 01:13 AM
In article <FTZA43SM38517.8328587963@anonymous>, Anonymous-
says...
> Can anyone seriously believe that abortion was
> immoral on January 21, 1973, and moral on January 23, 1973? If abortion
> killed children before the law changed, it continues to kill children
>

Abortion didn't kill children before that date, and nor has abortion
killed children since that date.

(Caveat: except on the rare occasions a pregnant child died through
abortion, an event even more rare than a pregnant child dying through
giving birth).

Janet Puistonen
June 16th 05, 03:04 PM
Pat Winstanley wrote:
> In article <FTZA43SM38517.8328587963@anonymous>, Anonymous-
> says...
>> Can anyone seriously believe that abortion was
>> immoral on January 21, 1973, and moral on January 23, 1973? If
>> abortion killed children before the law changed, it continues to
>> kill children
>>
>
> Abortion didn't kill children before that date, and nor has abortion
> killed children since that date.
>
> (Caveat: except on the rare occasions a pregnant child died through
> abortion, an event even more rare than a pregnant child dying through
> giving birth).

Pregnant children certainly died from back alley abortions, before Roe v.
Wade.

Pat Winstanley
June 17th 05, 12:18 AM
In article <wFfse.7399$fa3.77@trndny01>, says...
> Pat Winstanley wrote:
> > In article <FTZA43SM38517.8328587963@anonymous>, Anonymous-
> > says...
> >> Can anyone seriously believe that abortion was
> >> immoral on January 21, 1973, and moral on January 23, 1973? If
> >> abortion killed children before the law changed, it continues to
> >> kill children
> >>
> >
> > Abortion didn't kill children before that date, and nor has abortion
> > killed children since that date.
> >
> > (Caveat: except on the rare occasions a pregnant child died through
> > abortion, an event even more rare than a pregnant child dying through
> > giving birth).
>
> Pregnant children certainly died from back alley abortions, before Roe v.
> Wade.
>
>
>
Hence the caveat. Some pregnant children have died as a result of their
pregnancy being aborted (both before and after RvW came in). Ditto
pregnant children dying from giving birth.

The point is that those are the *only* children (pregnant minors)who
have died from an abortion taking place. As far as I'm aware no non-
pregnant child has ever died as a result of an abortion.