Dream goldfish setup?

[Daniel Morrow]

Hi all, I know some of you from the other fish newsgroups on usenet (hi
elaine t, sophie, bettasandgoldfish(?) etc.!). I have come to a fork in the
road for my turtle tank and am planning to convert it to a goldfish tank. It
is a 55 gallon tank. I am thinking of doing this because of mounting
electrical bills (thanks to our city government charging so much for
utilities, not (no thanks in other words)) which cost me 12 or more dollars
a month to heat the turtle tank's water. I have fancy guppies in it
currently too. Don't worry - if I convert I will find a good home for the
turtles by working with the local pet shop. I would like to set up a tank of
goldfish with the fancy guppies. It would be unheated. I am thinking 3 black
moors and a few others (lionheads/orandas). Is it true tat black moors turn
gold as they mature? Or do they remain black? I would like to have the black
moors stay black because I can get the other goldfish colors from the
orandas/lionheads and the color black is universally popular and is all
around a good color. Should I get any snails (does the strain of apple
snails that won't eat live plants unless hungary enough need heated water?).
What other creatures are there for cold water aquariums that I could put in
with the goldfish? Thanks and please respond! Later!

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Daniel,

My moors have kept their colour so far (3 years). Anyway with a 55 gallon
you want to be stocking no more than 5 goldfish - and no other fish.
Guppies and goldfish is a bad mix in my opinion. Goldfish get too huge.

[Daniel Morrow]

"Geezer From The Freezer" > wrote in message
...
> Daniel,
>
> My moors have kept their colour so far (3 years). Anyway with a 55 gallon
> you want to be stocking no more than 5 goldfish - and no other fish.
> Guppies and goldfish is a bad mix in my opinion. Goldfish get too huge.

Thanks geezer from the freezer! I knew the stocking level would need to be
relatively low. That is cool about your moors. I go back and forth about my
decision to convert my tank. Right now I am planning to pay the extra
heating costs and keep my turtle setup. Anyway, thanks so far! Later!

[sophie]

Daniel Morrow said this:
> Hi all, I know some of you from the other fish newsgroups on usenet (hi
> elaine t, sophie, bettasandgoldfish(?) etc.!). I have come to a fork in the
> road for my turtle tank and am planning to convert it to a goldfish tank. It
> is a 55 gallon tank. I am thinking of doing this because of mounting
> electrical bills (thanks to our city government charging so much for
> utilities, not (no thanks in other words)) which cost me 12 or more dollars
> a month to heat the turtle tank's water. I have fancy guppies in it
> currently too. Don't worry - if I convert I will find a good home for the
> turtles by working with the local pet shop. I would like to set up a tank of
> goldfish with the fancy guppies. It would be unheated. I am thinking 3 black
> moors and a few others (lionheads/orandas). Is it true tat black moors turn
> gold as they mature? Or do they remain black? I would like to have the black
> moors stay black because I can get the other goldfish colors from the
> orandas/lionheads and the color black is universally popular and is all
> around a good color. Should I get any snails (does the strain of apple
> snails that won't eat live plants unless hungary enough need heated water?).
> What other creatures are there for cold water aquariums that I could put in
> with the goldfish? Thanks and please respond! Later!

well, keeping the guppies with goldfish would certainly solve the problem of
what to do with fry... ;-)

white clouds go well with goldfish. weather loach do, too. with a fifty-five
gallon I'd be tempted to go with three goldfish, fifteen white clouds and
three or four weather loach. and good filtration <g> pop-eyed goldfish aren't
a personal favouite of mine, I have to say, but I do think black goldfsih and
the minnows and weather loach would be cool. But that's my idea of a dream gf
set-up and not necessarily yours. If I wanted a big unheated tank, I think I
might well be inclined to go the non-goldfish route - lots of weather loach,
because they're immensely entertaining, loads of white clouds because I love
them, and some of the more unusual cool water fish.
>
>



--
sophie
www.freewebs.com/fishstuff/peculiarpangio.htm

[Daniel Morrow]

"sophie" > wrote in message
al.net...
> well, keeping the guppies with goldfish would certainly solve the problem
of
> what to do with fry... ;-)
>
> white clouds go well with goldfish. weather loach do, too. with a
fifty-five
> gallon I'd be tempted to go with three goldfish, fifteen white clouds and
> three or four weather loach. and good filtration <g> pop-eyed goldfish
aren't
> a personal favouite of mine, I have to say, but I do think black goldfsih
and
> the minnows and weather loach would be cool. But that's my idea of a dream
gf
> set-up and not necessarily yours. If I wanted a big unheated tank, I think
I
> might well be inclined to go the non-goldfish route - lots of weather
loach,
> because they're immensely entertaining, loads of white clouds because I
love
> them, and some of the more unusual cool water fish.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> sophie
> www.freewebs.com/fishstuff/peculiarpangio.htm
>

Thanks for the info sophie, good to see you here! Later!

[E.Otter]

Whether a black moor or other non-gold goldfish changes color is a question
of that specific fish's genetics (so I've heard). Hit-n-miss really. A
real black moor probably won't change color. That said, just because a
goldfish is black doesn't make it a black moor and I've seen many fish
stores mislabel black goldfish as black moors. Black moors have a
distinctive body shape which is very different from a Ryunkin, a Fantail and
others... Study pictures of black moors on the web before going shopping.

One more things, I've heard that fish tanks and reptile/turtle tanks were
built to different specs. Fish tanks are designed and built to withstand
the pressure and stress of holding lots of water. Reptilre/turtle tanks may
be water-tight but aren't necessarily built to withstand those forces for
long periods of time. If it was me I would check with the mfr to make sure
the tank can be used as a fish tank.

E.Otter

[Daniel Morrow]

"E.Otter" > wrote in message
link.net...
> Whether a black moor or other non-gold goldfish changes color is a
question
> of that specific fish's genetics (so I've heard). Hit-n-miss really. A
> real black moor probably won't change color. That said, just because a
> goldfish is black doesn't make it a black moor and I've seen many fish
> stores mislabel black goldfish as black moors. Black moors have a
> distinctive body shape which is very different from a Ryunkin, a Fantail
and
> others... Study pictures of black moors on the web before going shopping.

Will do.
>
> One more things, I've heard that fish tanks and reptile/turtle tanks were
> built to different specs. Fish tanks are designed and built to withstand
> the pressure and stress of holding lots of water. Reptilre/turtle tanks
may
> be water-tight but aren't necessarily built to withstand those forces for
> long periods of time. If it was me I would check with the mfr to make
sure
> the tank can be used as a fish tank.

You're right - some tanks are not meant to hold in large amounts of water,
the tank in question is a perfecto fish tank so it should be fine. I have
another 55 gallon fish tank that I kind of wonder if it was meant for fish
or just reptiles. It's glass is approximately 1/4 of an inch thick to 1
centimeter thick and bows in the top middle of the long sides about 1/4 of
an inch which is fine if I remember that thread in
rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc or plants right. I love round goldfish whether
black or gold. Thanks, and later!

>
> E.Otter
>

[Disko]

"Daniel Morrow" > wrote in
:

>
> "E.Otter" > wrote in message
> link.net...
>> Whether a black moor or other non-gold goldfish changes color is a
> question
>> of that specific fish's genetics (so I've heard). Hit-n-miss really.
>> A real black moor probably won't change color. That said, just
>> because a goldfish is black doesn't make it a black moor and I've
>> seen many fish stores mislabel black goldfish as black moors. Black
>> moors have a distinctive body shape which is very different from a
>> Ryunkin, a Fantail
> and
>> others... Study pictures of black moors on the web before going
>> shopping.
>
> Will do.
>>
>> One more things, I've heard that fish tanks and reptile/turtle tanks
>> were built to different specs. Fish tanks are designed and built to
>> withstand the pressure and stress of holding lots of water.
>> Reptilre/turtle tanks
> may
>> be water-tight but aren't necessarily built to withstand those forces
>> for long periods of time. If it was me I would check with the mfr to
>> make
All moors are black to begin with, although over time some may become
golden or even in extreme cases white. A friend of mine has a 2 year-old
Moor which has displayed just such a change in well-monitored, perfectly
balanced water.

There are seveal possible explanations for this (genetic pre-
disposition, water temperature to name but two), but nobody has, to my
knowledge, ever pinned down the single major cause. Also, as they get
older many Moors may lose their "velvet" appearance, even if they retain
their black colouring.

I am a huge fan of Moors; I think they are among the most beautiful of
fancy goldfish varieties. If you really want something special though,
try acquiring the rarer "Panda" Moor. Now THAT'S a kick-ass fish!

Disko

[NanK]

> white clouds go well with goldfish.

I have heard this all over the internet and in our LFS, yet I had a
strange experience combining goldies and white clouds.

I've had my 6 white clouds for about 1.5 years. They grew from .75
inches to about 1.5 inches in length. Recently, I put a baby veiltail
goldfish in with the white clouds and a 3" red cap oranda (20 gal
established tank).

Over the past two weeks, I noticed the baby goldfish swimming much
slower and having difficulty competing with the very quick whiteclouds
for food. I tried slowing down the filter, feeding in different areas
of the tank, etc., and I THOUGHT the baby was doing fine until yesterday
when I found him attached to the power filter uptake pipe!!

I took him out, expecting him to die over night, and put him in a small
2 gal hospital tank. I tried, but had to take out, the Whisper internal
filter (too strong) and left him with just an airstone for a few hours.
He started swimming around. Then I added some food and to my SHOCK,
he was ravenous!! I've been feeding him every few hours and he's eating
everything I've offered except for the peas!!!

Obviously, baby fancy goldfish cannot compete with quick whiteclouds who
grab the food and dash away! They almost hunt in a pack! So he's not
going back in with them until he is MUCH MUCH bigger and stronger!

Thought you might want to know.

nan

[NanK]

OK, so I'm talking to myself....

Anyway, my tiny veiltail who was starving to death, is rapidly
recovering. He's been eating steadily for the past two days and appears
to be growing! Now I have to decide what to do with him. He's still a
little weak so I know he will not be able to navigate the strong filter
in the 20 gal, at least not right away, or cope with the fast-swimming
whiteclouds in that tank. He's recovering in a tiny 2.5 gallon.

I'm getting a 10 gallon ready for him until I know what to do next...


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