Pump and Heat questions for FL above ground

[V.V.]

Hello all, I finally found a tub from Tractor Suppy Company. Wondering if
y'all can give me some pointers. The tub is galvanized metal, 6ft in
diameter, 375 gallons. I have a two part question involving pump and heat.

I live in Naples Florida. Is there any issue having an above ground pond in
temperatures like we have here? My pool water is 85 degrees right now. I
imagine, even with the shade from plants around the tub, that the water will
get warm.

Second, for that size, I'd like reccomendations on reaonsably priced
pump/bio filters (or what price is reasonable when looking) for this size.
Also would like to know which types of filter/pump is the easiest to
maintain and take care of. Finally, do you recommend an ultra violete
addition?

Thanks,
Vince in Naples

[Roy]

I live north in Southern Alabama, and have had above ground stock
tanks in use for years.....There is some years it gets pretty darn
hot, but nothing that overhead shade does not help be it from a simple
structure with shade cloth or an umbrella........Lots of floating
plants like lilys etc help as well. I also provide a lot of surface
aeration as well as my trickle towers which all seem to reduce temps
as well.



On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 12:32:22 -0400, "V.V." >
wrote:

>===<>Hello all, I finally found a tub from Tractor Suppy Company. Wondering if
>===<>y'all can give me some pointers. The tub is galvanized metal, 6ft in
>===<>diameter, 375 gallons. I have a two part question involving pump and heat.
>===<>
>===<>I live in Naples Florida. Is there any issue having an above ground pond in
>===<>temperatures like we have here? My pool water is 85 degrees right now. I
>===<>imagine, even with the shade from plants around the tub, that the water will
>===<>get warm.
>===<>
>===<>Second, for that size, I'd like reccomendations on reaonsably priced
>===<>pump/bio filters (or what price is reasonable when looking) for this size.
>===<>Also would like to know which types of filter/pump is the easiest to
>===<>maintain and take care of. Finally, do you recommend an ultra violete
>===<>addition?
>===<>
>===<>Thanks,
>===<>Vince in Naples
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>


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[Reel McKoi]

"V.V." > wrote in message
...
> Hello all, I finally found a tub from Tractor Suppy Company. Wondering if
> y'all can give me some pointers. The tub is galvanized metal, 6ft in
> diameter, 375 gallons. I have a two part question involving pump and
heat.
>
> I live in Naples Florida. Is there any issue having an above ground pond
in
> temperatures like we have here? My pool water is 85 degrees right now. I
> imagine, even with the shade from plants around the tub, that the water
will
> get warm.

## You need to provide some type of overhead shade. A trellis of some
kind, or perhaps a water lily and some water-lettuce. You can paint the
tank white on the outside to reflect the heat of the sun. The plants around
the tub will also help as you surmised.

Second, for that size, I'd like reccomendations on reaonsably priced
> pump/bio filters (or what price is reasonable when looking) for this size.
> Also would like to know which types of filter/pump is the easiest to
> maintain and take care of. Finally, do you recommend an ultra violete
> addition?

## You can set an inexpensive pond pump from HomeDepot in a clean new paint
pail and surround it with some kind of filter material. I use window screen
and pea-gravel. I have sponges stuffed in one. Clean as needed by hosing
the filter material off or squeeze out the sponges in pond water. They work
great in small ponds or pools. The best filter we have is one my husband
made out of an old waterproof ammunition case. Cost? $50 for the pump at
HomeDepot, under $10 for bulkheads and about $10 for the filter material at
a local Aquarium store.
I don't think you need a UV light for something that small. They're
expensive and can be a PIA to maintain. I have two of them and haven't used
them in several years. I have some peasoup water in spring, that's about
it.
--
McKoi.... the frugal ponder...
EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries
before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED.
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[~ janj JJsPond.us]

Normally I don't cross post as many are filtering such out in Rec.Ponds,
(FYI).

>Hello all, I finally found a tub from Tractor Suppy Company. Wondering if
>y'all can give me some pointers. The tub is galvanized metal, 6ft in
>diameter, 375 gallons. I have a two part question involving pump and heat.
>
>I live in Naples Florida. Is there any issue having an above ground pond in
>temperatures like we have here? My pool water is 85 degrees right now. I
>imagine, even with the shade from plants around the tub, that the water will
>get warm.
>
>Second, for that size, I'd like reccomendations on reaonsably priced
>pump/bio filters (or what price is reasonable when looking) for this size.
>Also would like to know which types of filter/pump is the easiest to
>maintain and take care of. Finally, do you recommend an ultra violete
>addition? Vince in Naples

Filtration is really based on what you plan to have in the pond. If only
plants and a couple of fish, you could get by with a good air pump and air
stone. So what's your long term plan? ~ jan


See my ponds and filter design:
www.jjspond.us

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[V.V.]

Thanks Jan and all-

My plan is to stock it with some fish (may start out less expensive than Koi
until I get the hang of it and get it stabilized) as well as put plants
around it for shade and decor/color. Not sure if I want to hide the sides
with just plants or enclose it with pavers or the like. I will also be
getting or creating a nice water fall feature, something more zen-like...not
done my research yet. I may get a frog or two as well. I don't want too
many critters, just enough...any suggestions for how many koi/fish would be
good for that size?

Vince






"~ janj JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> Normally I don't cross post as many are filtering such out in Rec.Ponds,
> (FYI).
>
>>Hello all, I finally found a tub from Tractor Suppy Company. Wondering if
>>y'all can give me some pointers. The tub is galvanized metal, 6ft in
>>diameter, 375 gallons. I have a two part question involving pump and
>>heat.
>>
>>I live in Naples Florida. Is there any issue having an above ground pond
>>in
>>temperatures like we have here? My pool water is 85 degrees right now. I
>>imagine, even with the shade from plants around the tub, that the water
>>will
>>get warm.
>>
>>Second, for that size, I'd like reccomendations on reaonsably priced
>>pump/bio filters (or what price is reasonable when looking) for this size.
>>Also would like to know which types of filter/pump is the easiest to
>>maintain and take care of. Finally, do you recommend an ultra violete
>>addition? Vince in Naples
>
> Filtration is really based on what you plan to have in the pond. If only
> plants and a couple of fish, you could get by with a good air pump and air
> stone. So what's your long term plan? ~ jan
>
>
> See my ponds and filter design:
> www.jjspond.us
>
> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> To e-mail see website

[...]

In the Ortho book Creating Water Gardens, they recommend 17 gallons for
every inch of Koi...
I am just starting out in ponding, so will find out firsthand in a few
months...

In all my freshwater fishtanks (indoors), I have used 1 gallon for every
inch of fish.
In my sal****er tank, I double that number to 2 gallons for every inch of
fish.
With ponds getting that much more outside exposure to dirt, contaminants and
the like, I can see the need for more gallons per inch of fish...

It has been my experience that the more you filter and clean the filters,
the more fish you can tolerate in a fishtank.
However, with lots of fish, the minute something goes wrong, the faster it
impacts the little critters !
The 2 gallons per inch being the least amount of water you would ever want
in a sal****er aquarium..
You also want more dissolved oxygen in the water on the plus side, and less
suspended waste in the water.
Then of course there's the nitrogen cycle too....good biological filtration
will help there as well as good plantings.

Good Luck!
Joe



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"V.V." > wrote in message
...
> Thanks Jan and all-
>
> My plan is to stock it with some fish (may start out less expensive than
> Koi until I get the hang of it and get it stabilized) as well as put
> plants around it for shade and decor/color. Not sure if I want to hide
> the sides with just plants or enclose it with pavers or the like. I will
> also be getting or creating a nice water fall feature, something more
> zen-like...not done my research yet. I may get a frog or two as well. I
> don't want too many critters, just enough...any suggestions for how many
> koi/fish would be good for that size?
>
> Vince
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "~ janj JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Normally I don't cross post as many are filtering such out in Rec.Ponds,
>> (FYI).
>>
>>>Hello all, I finally found a tub from Tractor Suppy Company. Wondering
>>>if
>>>y'all can give me some pointers. The tub is galvanized metal, 6ft in
>>>diameter, 375 gallons. I have a two part question involving pump and
>>>heat.
>>>
>>>I live in Naples Florida. Is there any issue having an above ground pond
>>>in
>>>temperatures like we have here? My pool water is 85 degrees right now.
>>>I
>>>imagine, even with the shade from plants around the tub, that the water
>>>will
>>>get warm.
>>>
>>>Second, for that size, I'd like reccomendations on reaonsably priced
>>>pump/bio filters (or what price is reasonable when looking) for this
>>>size.
>>>Also would like to know which types of filter/pump is the easiest to
>>>maintain and take care of. Finally, do you recommend an ultra violete
>>>addition? Vince in Naples
>>
>> Filtration is really based on what you plan to have in the pond. If only
>> plants and a couple of fish, you could get by with a good air pump and
>> air
>> stone. So what's your long term plan? ~ jan
>>
>>
>> See my ponds and filter design:
>> www.jjspond.us
>>
>> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
>> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
>> To e-mail see website
>
>

[Phyllis and Jim Hurley]

The rule of thumb is 1000 gal for the first koi and 100 gal for each
additional koi. That gives them enough space to swim. Is your stock
tank big enough? A 20" koi needs some space. Goldfish handle smaller
areas better.

I strongly support those who point out the consequences of overstock.
If the pond cannot handle the load without a pump to circulate the
water, the first pump failure or electrical outage kills all the fish.
Not nice.

Jim

V.V. wrote:
> Thanks Jan and all-
>
> My plan is to stock it with some fish (may start out less expensive than Koi
> until I get the hang of it and get it stabilized) as well as put plants
> around it for shade and decor/color. Not sure if I want to hide the sides
> with just plants or enclose it with pavers or the like. I will also be
> getting or creating a nice water fall feature, something more zen-like...not
> done my research yet. I may get a frog or two as well. I don't want too
> many critters, just enough...any suggestions for how many koi/fish would be
> good for that size?
>
> Vince
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "~ janj JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Normally I don't cross post as many are filtering such out in Rec.Ponds,
>>(FYI).
>>
>>
>>>Hello all, I finally found a tub from Tractor Suppy Company. Wondering if
>>>y'all can give me some pointers. The tub is galvanized metal, 6ft in
>>>diameter, 375 gallons. I have a two part question involving pump and
>>>heat.
>>>
>>>I live in Naples Florida. Is there any issue having an above ground pond
>>>in
>>>temperatures like we have here? My pool water is 85 degrees right now. I
>>>imagine, even with the shade from plants around the tub, that the water
>>>will
>>>get warm.
>>>
>>>Second, for that size, I'd like reccomendations on reaonsably priced
>>>pump/bio filters (or what price is reasonable when looking) for this size.
>>>Also would like to know which types of filter/pump is the easiest to
>>>maintain and take care of. Finally, do you recommend an ultra violete
>>>addition? Vince in Naples
>>
>>Filtration is really based on what you plan to have in the pond. If only
>>plants and a couple of fish, you could get by with a good air pump and air
>>stone. So what's your long term plan? ~ jan
>>
>>
>>See my ponds and filter design:
>>www.jjspond.us
>>
>> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
>> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
>> To e-mail see website
>
>
>

[kartlonbaugh]

My plan is to stock it with some fish (carp cheaper than the beginning until I get the hang of, and put it stable), and the factory the shadow around it and decorate / color. Do not know if I want to hide on both sides only plants or attach it with pavers or similar.

[alvirrojohnn]

You charge to accommodate some blazon of aerial shade. A filigree of some kind, or conceivably a baptize afraid and some water-lettuce. You can acrylic the tank white on the alfresco to reflect the calefaction of the sun.