changing water

[danny]

when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the whole
tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change

[John...]

"danny" > wrote in message
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> when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the whole
> tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change
>

Just the water you are adding.And use the water you have removed to wash
your pump,filters,plastic plants etc.Do not wash anything
just in tap water.

John

[Elaine T]

John... wrote:
> "danny" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
>>when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the whole
>>tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change
>>
>
>
> Just the water you are adding.And use the water you have removed to wash
> your pump,filters,plastic plants etc.Do not wash anything
> just in tap water.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
I've been washing stuff in tap water for many, many years and have never
lost a cycle. All you need to do is match temps more or less - the
short pulse of chloramine/clorine is really not a problem.

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[danny]

thank you

[Gill Passman]

"Elaine T" > wrote in message
.. .
> John... wrote:
> > "danny" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> >
> >>when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the whole
> >>tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change
> >>
> >
> >
> > Just the water you are adding.And use the water you have removed to wash
> > your pump,filters,plastic plants etc.Do not wash anything
> > just in tap water.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I've been washing stuff in tap water for many, many years and have never
> lost a cycle. All you need to do is match temps more or less - the
> short pulse of chloramine/clorine is really not a problem.
>
> --
> Elaine T __
> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
> rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

I always wash mine out in tank water with the exception of washing off
excessive algae from the driftwood.

Gill

[lgb]

In article >, says...
> "danny" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the whole
> > tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change
> >
> Just the water you are adding.

Except for things like plant fertilizer and algae treatments. If I
product says "xxx per week for yyy gallons" and you have a 30 gallon
tank, you add based on the 30 gallon tank size, not the few gallons of
change water.

--
BNSF = Build Now, Seep Forever

[danny]

thanks

[Daniel Morrow]

"Elaine T" > wrote in message
.. .
> John... wrote:
> > "danny" > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> >
> >>when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the whole
> >>tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change
> >>
> >
> >
> > Just the water you are adding.And use the water you have removed to wash
> > your pump,filters,plastic plants etc.Do not wash anything
> > just in tap water.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I've been washing stuff in tap water for many, many years and have never
> lost a cycle. All you need to do is match temps more or less - the
> short pulse of chloramine/clorine is really not a problem.

Chloramine/chlorine must be what killed my good bacteria on my jungle sponge
filter as when I started keeping fancy guppies almost 2 years ago my tank
cycled for over 2 or 3 months until I bought a penguin bio-wheel filter. My
point is not to argue but to express my opinion that gill's method really
should be promoted especially to newbies, after all - better safe than
sorry, and by my experience gill is either absolutely right or there are
other characteristics of water that are in play here and they must change
geographically (from pace to place). I always used good approximate
temperatures when I rinsed/squeezed my jungle sponge filter under the tap
water and my tank refused to cycle until I started using the penguin
bio-wheel filter. Come to think of it I think I got the bio-wheel filter 4
months after starting the tank so it never cycled until after 4 months and
then only after I started using the bio-wheel. I love bio-wheels now but I
have revisited air powered sponge filters since I am nowadays sure I could
cycle a tank in no more than 6-8 weeks with an appropriately sized air
driven sponge filter as long as I do it right and squeeze the sponge out in
tank waste water during water changes, and never exposed it to tap water. If
I couldn't cycle a tank like I just said with an air driven sponge filter
then I would have to say bio-wheel filters are just plain necessary. I now
have my original jungle senior sponge filter running in my bedroom tank as a
backup/starter for the hospital tank or any other appropriate use. Sorry
Elaine - it's just my opinion.

P.s. - sorry again about the misinformation about the cichlids, I have very
little to go on and I was just trying to help. I only have a 40 year old
book and a lot of catalogs and some older magazines with occasional cichlid
information to go on. The catalogs for example talk about how cichlids need
a ph of about 8.2-8.4 by using products for sale that keep your water that
way, etc. The misinformation here is that really it should say "some
cichlids" need these conditions. I am only explaining myself in this
paragraph, I am not expressing my opinion in this paragraph. I could have
done some borrowing on the internet for proper information I guess though.
Good luck and later!


>
> --
> Elaine T __
> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
> rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

[Daniel Morrow]

"Daniel Morrow" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Elaine T" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > John... wrote:
> > > "danny" > wrote in message
> > > ups.com...
> > >
> > >>when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the
whole
> > >>tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Just the water you are adding.And use the water you have removed to
wash
> > > your pump,filters,plastic plants etc.Do not wash anything
> > > just in tap water.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > I've been washing stuff in tap water for many, many years and have never
> > lost a cycle. All you need to do is match temps more or less - the
> > short pulse of chloramine/clorine is really not a problem.
>
> Chloramine/chlorine must be what killed my good bacteria on my jungle
sponge
> filter as when I started keeping fancy guppies almost 2 years ago my tank
> cycled for over 2 or 3 months until I bought a penguin bio-wheel filter.
My
> point is not to argue but to express my opinion that gill's method really
> should be promoted especially to newbies, after all - better safe than
> sorry, and by my experience gill is either absolutely right or there are
> other characteristics of water that are in play here and they must change
> geographically (from pace to place). I always used good approximate
> temperatures when I rinsed/squeezed my jungle sponge filter under the tap
> water and my tank refused to cycle until I started using the penguin
> bio-wheel filter. Come to think of it I think I got the bio-wheel filter 4
> months after starting the tank so it never cycled until after 4 months and
> then only after I started using the bio-wheel. I love bio-wheels now but I
> have revisited air powered sponge filters since I am nowadays sure I could
> cycle a tank in no more than 6-8 weeks with an appropriately sized air
> driven sponge filter as long as I do it right and squeeze the sponge out
in
> tank waste water during water changes, and never exposed it to tap water.
If
> I couldn't cycle a tank like I just said with an air driven sponge filter
> then I would have to say bio-wheel filters are just plain necessary. I now
> have my original jungle senior sponge filter running in my bedroom tank as
a
> backup/starter for the hospital tank or any other appropriate use. Sorry
> Elaine - it's just my opinion.
>
> P.s. - sorry again about the misinformation about the cichlids, I have
very
> little to go on and I was just trying to help. I only have a 40 year old
> book and a lot of catalogs and some older magazines with occasional
cichlid
> information to go on. The catalogs for example talk about how cichlids
need
> a ph of about 8.2-8.4 by using products for sale that keep your water that
> way, etc. The misinformation here is that really it should say "some
> cichlids" need these conditions. I am only explaining myself in this
> paragraph, I am not expressing my opinion in this paragraph. I could have
> done some borrowing

I mean "browsing".

on the internet for proper information I guess though.
> Good luck and later!
>
>
> >
> > --
> > Elaine T __
> > http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
> > rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com
>
>

[Daniel Morrow]

"Daniel Morrow" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Daniel Morrow" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Elaine T" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> > > John... wrote:
> > > > "danny" > wrote in message
> > > > ups.com...
> > > >
> > > >>when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the
> whole
> > > >>tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just the water you are adding.And use the water you have removed to
> wash
> > > > your pump,filters,plastic plants etc.Do not wash anything
> > > > just in tap water.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I've been washing stuff in tap water for many, many years and have
never
> > > lost a cycle. All you need to do is match temps more or less - the
> > > short pulse of chloramine/clorine is really not a problem.
> >
> > Chloramine/chlorine must be what killed my good bacteria on my jungle
> sponge
> > filter as when I started keeping fancy guppies almost 2 years ago my
tank

I meant to type "never" before cycled....


> > cycled for over 2 or 3 months until I bought a penguin bio-wheel filter.
> My
> > point is not to argue but to express my opinion that gill's method
really
> > should be promoted especially to newbies, after all - better safe than
> > sorry, and by my experience gill is either absolutely right or there are
> > other characteristics of water that are in play here and they must
change
> > geographically (from pace to place). I always used good approximate
> > temperatures when I rinsed/squeezed my jungle sponge filter under the
tap
> > water and my tank refused to cycle until I started using the penguin
> > bio-wheel filter. Come to think of it I think I got the bio-wheel filter
4
> > months after starting the tank so it never cycled until after 4 months
and
> > then only after I started using the bio-wheel. I love bio-wheels now but
I
> > have revisited air powered sponge filters since I am nowadays sure I
could
> > cycle a tank in no more than 6-8 weeks with an appropriately sized air
> > driven sponge filter as long as I do it right and squeeze the sponge out
> in
> > tank waste water during water changes, and never exposed it to tap
water.
> If
> > I couldn't cycle a tank like I just said with an air driven sponge
filter
> > then I would have to say bio-wheel filters are just plain necessary. I
now
> > have my original jungle senior sponge filter running in my bedroom tank
as
> a
> > backup/starter for the hospital tank or any other appropriate use. Sorry
> > Elaine - it's just my opinion.
> >
> > P.s. - sorry again about the misinformation about the cichlids, I have
> very
> > little to go on and I was just trying to help. I only have a 40 year old
> > book and a lot of catalogs and some older magazines with occasional
> cichlid
> > information to go on. The catalogs for example talk about how cichlids
> need
> > a ph of about 8.2-8.4 by using products for sale that keep your water
that
> > way, etc. The misinformation here is that really it should say "some
> > cichlids" need these conditions. I am only explaining myself in this
> > paragraph, I am not expressing my opinion in this paragraph. I could
have
> > done some borrowing
>
> I mean "browsing".
>
> on the internet for proper information I guess though.
> > Good luck and later!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Elaine T __
> > > http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
> > > rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com
> >
> >
>
>

[Elaine T]

Daniel Morrow wrote:
> "Elaine T" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>John... wrote:
>>
>>>"danny" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the whole
>>>>tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Just the water you are adding.And use the water you have removed to wash
>>>your pump,filters,plastic plants etc.Do not wash anything
>>>just in tap water.
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I've been washing stuff in tap water for many, many years and have never
>>lost a cycle. All you need to do is match temps more or less - the
>>short pulse of chloramine/clorine is really not a problem.
>
>
> Chloramine/chlorine must be what killed my good bacteria on my jungle sponge
> filter as when I started keeping fancy guppies almost 2 years ago my tank
> cycled for over 2 or 3 months until I bought a penguin bio-wheel filter. My
> point is not to argue but to express my opinion that gill's method really
> should be promoted especially to newbies, after all - better safe than
> sorry, and by my experience gill is either absolutely right or there are
> other characteristics of water that are in play here and they must change
> geographically (from pace to place). I always used good approximate
> temperatures when I rinsed/squeezed my jungle sponge filter under the tap
> water and my tank refused to cycle until I started using the penguin
> bio-wheel filter. Come to think of it I think I got the bio-wheel filter 4
> months after starting the tank so it never cycled until after 4 months and
> then only after I started using the bio-wheel. I love bio-wheels now but I
> have revisited air powered sponge filters since I am nowadays sure I could
> cycle a tank in no more than 6-8 weeks with an appropriately sized air
> driven sponge filter as long as I do it right and squeeze the sponge out in
> tank waste water during water changes, and never exposed it to tap water. If
> I couldn't cycle a tank like I just said with an air driven sponge filter
> then I would have to say bio-wheel filters are just plain necessary. I now
> have my original jungle senior sponge filter running in my bedroom tank as a
> backup/starter for the hospital tank or any other appropriate use. Sorry
> Elaine - it's just my opinion.

Maybe your stuck cycle experience will help someone out there. Hard to
ever know what pieces of advice we give fit someone's situation. I
carefully rinsed all my filters in tank water when I started keeping
fish. Once I bought my Python, I experimented with rinsing in tapwater
and darned if it didn't make a bit of difference - in my local water.
Good caveat.

> P.s. - sorry again about the misinformation about the cichlids, I have very
> little to go on and I was just trying to help. I only have a 40 year old
> book and a lot of catalogs and some older magazines with occasional cichlid
> information to go on. The catalogs for example talk about how cichlids need
> a ph of about 8.2-8.4 by using products for sale that keep your water that
> way, etc. The misinformation here is that really it should say "some
> cichlids" need these conditions. I am only explaining myself in this
> paragraph, I am not expressing my opinion in this paragraph. I could have
> done some borrowing on the internet for proper information I guess though.
> Good luck and later!

I know you're trying to learn and help. Remember, though, that there
are always newbies in this group and they might do *exactly* what you
say to their tanks. I've been on and off this newsgroup long enough to
have been a FAQ author and I still find that thought sobering.

--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

[Indy]

I have heard of people washing ornaments, plastic plants and filter
media in tap water but it is not recommended. It is not that difficult
to use the water you are removing from the tank.

From experience; I always used tank water to clean my filter media until
I heard someone say it was okay to use tap water. On my next water
change I used tap water. I lost 3 fish and had the worst bacteria bloom
I have ever had. I learned a valuable lesson.

You can do as you wish, and some water is just great from the tap, but I
wouldn't take the chance. It's just too easy to use the tank water and
not take any chances.

And don't forget the declorinator! Clorine kills fish!



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[Daniel Morrow]

Mid post.


"Elaine T" > wrote in message
...
> Daniel Morrow wrote:
> > "Elaine T" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> >
> >>John... wrote:
> >>
> >>>"danny" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>when changing water do you treat the water with treatments in the
whole
> >>>>tank or just the water you are putting in e.g.10% water change
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Just the water you are adding.And use the water you have removed to
wash
> >>>your pump,filters,plastic plants etc.Do not wash anything
> >>>just in tap water.
> >>>
> >>>John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>I've been washing stuff in tap water for many, many years and have never
> >>lost a cycle. All you need to do is match temps more or less - the
> >>short pulse of chloramine/clorine is really not a problem.
> >
> >
> > Chloramine/chlorine must be what killed my good bacteria on my jungle
sponge
> > filter as when I started keeping fancy guppies almost 2 years ago my
tank
> > cycled for over 2 or 3 months until I bought a penguin bio-wheel filter.
My
> > point is not to argue but to express my opinion that gill's method
really
> > should be promoted especially to newbies, after all - better safe than
> > sorry, and by my experience gill is either absolutely right or there are
> > other characteristics of water that are in play here and they must
change
> > geographically (from pace to place). I always used good approximate
> > temperatures when I rinsed/squeezed my jungle sponge filter under the
tap
> > water and my tank refused to cycle until I started using the penguin
> > bio-wheel filter. Come to think of it I think I got the bio-wheel filter
4
> > months after starting the tank so it never cycled until after 4 months
and
> > then only after I started using the bio-wheel. I love bio-wheels now but
I
> > have revisited air powered sponge filters since I am nowadays sure I
could
> > cycle a tank in no more than 6-8 weeks with an appropriately sized air
> > driven sponge filter as long as I do it right and squeeze the sponge out
in
> > tank waste water during water changes, and never exposed it to tap
water. If
> > I couldn't cycle a tank like I just said with an air driven sponge
filter
> > then I would have to say bio-wheel filters are just plain necessary. I
now
> > have my original jungle senior sponge filter running in my bedroom tank
as a
> > backup/starter for the hospital tank or any other appropriate use. Sorry
> > Elaine - it's just my opinion.
>
> Maybe your stuck cycle experience will help someone out there. Hard to
> ever know what pieces of advice we give fit someone's situation. I
> carefully rinsed all my filters in tank water when I started keeping
> fish. Once I bought my Python, I experimented with rinsing in tapwater
> and darned if it didn't make a bit of difference - in my local water.
> Good caveat.
>
> > P.s. - sorry again about the misinformation about the cichlids, I have
very
> > little to go on and I was just trying to help. I only have a 40 year old
> > book and a lot of catalogs and some older magazines with occasional
cichlid
> > information to go on. The catalogs for example talk about how cichlids
need
> > a ph of about 8.2-8.4 by using products for sale that keep your water
that
> > way, etc. The misinformation here is that really it should say "some
> > cichlids" need these conditions. I am only explaining myself in this
> > paragraph, I am not expressing my opinion in this paragraph. I could
have
> > done some borrowing on the internet for proper information I guess
though.
> > Good luck and later!
>
> I know you're trying to learn and help. Remember, though, that there
> are always newbies in this group and they might do *exactly* what you
> say to their tanks.

VERY good point Elaine - I will keep that in mind. I will try to be more
thoughtful and not cause a problem where there isn't one (i.e. give unsure
advice and find out later I was wrong), strategically remaining silent would
probably help this situation the most. Thanks, and later!

I've been on and off this newsgroup long enough to
> have been a FAQ author and I still find that thought sobering.
>
> --
> Elaine T __
> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
> rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com