Ehein Wet/Dry 2227 - Any comments on this product?

[LandShark]

Hi,

This is my first posting to this newsgroup. I am starting my first
sal****er tank after years of not having a tank setup. I use to keep
African Cichlids.

I just recently bought a 75G tank and stand, unfortunately the tank has
a tempered bottom and cannot be drilled. At first I was going to just
keep salt water fish, but have decided I would like a few inverts as
well, ie crabs, shrimp, snails and such. I was told by the fish store
I would just need a canister filter, the Classic Ehein 2215. I have
since be reading up on filtration and was looking at the Ehein
Profession II. Because I have never owned a canister filter, I do not
know the difference between these two. I notice there are a few
functions on the Prof II that may add to the ease of use and also looks
like it may have greater volume for possible better filtration.

As I continued my research I found hte Ehein Wet/Dry 2227. From what I
have been reading about salt water setups, wet/dry is the way to go,
and of course many recommendation on protein skimmers.

Because I would like to have a reef setup in the future, would the
Ehein Wet/Dry be a worthy investment?

Anyone have any thoughts on this topic or suggestions? I would prefer
not to setup a sump at this time, so I will definitely just be going
with some type of canister setup. I just would like to have use of
this equipment as I progress into a more reef setup. I am considering
a protein skimmer as well, just not to begin with.

Any thoughts on this topic would greatly be apprecitated. I am new to
sal****er and trying to absorb as much info as possible.

Thanks,
Newbee

[George Patterson]

LandShark wrote:
>
> As I continued my research I found hte Ehein Wet/Dry 2227. From what I
> have been reading about salt water setups, wet/dry is the way to go,
> and of course many recommendation on protein skimmers.

I've got the larger 2229 on my FOWLR 125 gallon. I'm quite pleased with it. Just
be aware that it handles only the first part of the nitrogen cycle - it does not
process nitrates. For this reason, many people refer to wet/dry filters as
"nitrate factories."

> Because I would like to have a reef setup in the future, would the
> Ehein Wet/Dry be a worthy investment?

I'm not a reef expert, but, from what I've read, you'd really want something
else when that time comes.

George Patterson
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use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

[George Pontis]

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> ...
>
> I just recently bought a 75G tank and stand, unfortunately the tank has
> a tempered bottom and cannot be drilled. At first I was going to just
> keep salt water fish, but have decided I would like a few inverts as
> well, ie crabs, shrimp, snails and such. I was told by the fish store
> I would just need a canister filter, the Classic Ehein 2215. I have
> since be reading up on filtration and was looking at the Ehein
> Profession II. Because I have never owned a canister filter, I do not
> know the difference between these two. I notice there are a few
> functions on the Prof II that may add to the ease of use and also looks
> like it may have greater volume for possible better filtration.
>
> As I continued my research I found hte Ehein Wet/Dry 2227. From what I
> have been reading about salt water setups, wet/dry is the way to go,
> and of course many recommendation on protein skimmers.
>
> Because I would like to have a reef setup in the future, would the
> Ehein Wet/Dry be a worthy investment?

No. It is a fine piece of gear for a freshwater aquarium or a fish only marine
system using water changes for nitrate reduction. For the reef setup, a skimmer
with sand bed and live rock will maintain the water better and with fewer changes.
A decent skimmer would cost about the same as the 2227. Why not just buy a skimmer
now and set up with aragonite sand and a few pieces of live rock? You can add more
live rock later as you build up the reef. The AquaC Remora is a well regarded
skimmer that can hang on the back of the tank (no drilling or sump). The price is
comparable to the Eheim 2227.

[LandShark]

Price is not really an issue as I intend to spend a reasonable ammount,
not thousands. I was just told by the LFS that a Ehien 2215 canister
is all I would need for a fish only tank with a few inverts. As I was
pricing it online, I started reading about the other canister options,
ie the Pro II and liked the look of the wet/dry. It look easy to
manage and was an all in one quick and easy setup. However, if you
think a protein skimmer is the better way to go and would provide
enough filtration, perhaps I will start investigating the various
skimmers out there. I have notice there are some good HOB overflows
now that do know cause overflow disasters if the pump has a POWER
outage. Any suggestion on going with a sump setup with a skimmer? Can
I use a 10 g tank I have as the sump? Or to get my tank going now,
what would you recomment? just get a skimmer with a built in pump and
some live rock and a damsel?

[Marc Levenson]

Have you had a chance to go to my website yet? There is a ton of
information there about sumps, and a lot of ideas as various tanks
demand different needs. DIY information is included so that you could
build your own custom sump for about $100.
http://www.melevsreef.com/allmysumps.html

Running a skimmer is the way to go, and a quality skimmer at that.

http://www.melevsreef.com

Marc



LandShark wrote:
> Price is not really an issue as I intend to spend a reasonable ammount,
> not thousands. I was just told by the LFS that a Ehien 2215 canister
> is all I would need for a fish only tank with a few inverts. As I was
> pricing it online, I started reading about the other canister options,
> ie the Pro II and liked the look of the wet/dry. It look easy to
> manage and was an all in one quick and easy setup. However, if you
> think a protein skimmer is the better way to go and would provide
> enough filtration, perhaps I will start investigating the various
> skimmers out there. I have notice there are some good HOB overflows
> now that do know cause overflow disasters if the pump has a POWER
> outage. Any suggestion on going with a sump setup with a skimmer? Can
> I use a 10 g tank I have as the sump? Or to get my tank going now,
> what would you recomment? just get a skimmer with a built in pump and
> some live rock and a damsel?
>

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[LandShark]

Outstanding site Marc. The 2g Pico tank is great!! You have some
excelent DIY SUMPs and Wave maker info. If you were setting up a 75g
starter tank, later to become a reef tank, maybe in a year or so, what
filtration would you install? What protein skimmer would you
recommend? I think I would like to just put a skimmer on until I can
build my own sump at a later date. Should I go with a rear mount or
can I get something that would fit under the tank in the stan cabinet?
What are your thoughts?

[Marc Levenson]

I would prefer an in-sump skimmer, even if you keep it very simple and
use a couple of rubbermaid containers. Have the tank drain into a
smaller container that holds the skimmmer, and let that container
overflow into the larger one (one would fit in the other). The larger
one would have the return pump submerged to push the water back up. You
might have some microbubbles to deal with, but only if you don't do
anything but just set it up and plug it in. With a little creative
thinking, you can arrange things to reduce that problem.

Building your own sump later will be a lot of fun. It definitely will
take a number of hours, so set aside a day when you can focus on the
project.

I'd suggest an Aqua C Ev-series skimmer for your 75g. Maybe a Ev-180 or
an Ev-240. You might find one used and save about 50% of the cost.

The rest of the filtration would be all natural. A 4" sandbed (DSB) and
1.5 lbs of LR (live rock) per gallon.

Marc


LandShark wrote:
> Outstanding site Marc. The 2g Pico tank is great!! You have some
> excelent DIY SUMPs and Wave maker info. If you were setting up a 75g
> starter tank, later to become a reef tank, maybe in a year or so, what
> filtration would you install? What protein skimmer would you
> recommend? I think I would like to just put a skimmer on until I can
> build my own sump at a later date. Should I go with a rear mount or
> can I get something that would fit under the tank in the stan cabinet?
> What are your thoughts?
>

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[LandShark]

Sounds good. I think I will go with the EV-180. I am looking to
purchase the skimmer from Marinedepot and they have three "pump
included" configurations: Rio 3100, Mag-Drive 7 and the Dolphin
DP-800. My next question is, will any pump work with this skimmer, ie
any brand? I am looking at the Quiet One 3000 as I would like it to be
as quiet as possible, it push 780 GPH. Is there a noticable difference
between this pump and the MAG7 or Dolphin DP-800? I have heard bad
things about the RIO, so I figured I could rule that one out. Any
suggestions on a good pump?

I have a couple 10 gal tanks lying around, so I think I could use one
of those as the outer for the Sump and place the skimmer in some time
of container within the 10. I should be able to pick something up from
Walmart. Who knows, maybe I will look into buying a sump to house the
skimmer too.

Have you ever ordered live rock on line? I know my LFS charges a lot
more for LR than some online sources. If so, any recommendation there?
I image I can get some live sand from the LFS, if not I have seen it
for just under $20.00 for a bag. Can't remember the size, 20lb maybe.
Once I get the skimmer, I will be ready to start my cycle time and
would like to start with live rock.

I really appreciate you recommendations and quick response!! THANKS!!!

[Marc Levenson]

Hmm. Well, I had an Ev-200 for a while, and it used a Mag 12 with good
results. I'd avoid the RIO at all costs, but have no opinion about
Dolphin pumps since I've never used them. However, if you find a quiet
pump with the same rated GPH, go for it.

Since you are playing with the idea of a sump, let me just toss out the
fact that a 10g will be nearly impossible to work with. It is just too
small, and your skimmer needs to be in about 7" of water to keep it
running steadily. Which means your tank won't have much of an empty
void -- something you need desperately when the return pump is off for
any reason.

Have you read this page yet? http://www.melevsreef.com/what_sump.html

I always buy my LR locally, because I don't want to wait for it to
cycle. You can buy it from hobbyists downgrading or leaving the hobby,
usually for $2 or $3 per lb. Regarding LS, I have used dry (beach) sand
before, and seeded it with a few cups of LS from the LFS's display tank.
Buying the stuff sealed by CaribSea is good to use as well, but I
still have doubts about it being all that "live" when it is in a sealed
bag for who knows how long.

Marc


LandShark wrote:
> Sounds good. I think I will go with the EV-180. I am looking to
> purchase the skimmer from Marinedepot and they have three "pump
> included" configurations: Rio 3100, Mag-Drive 7 and the Dolphin
> DP-800. My next question is, will any pump work with this skimmer, ie
> any brand? I am looking at the Quiet One 3000 as I would like it to be
> as quiet as possible, it push 780 GPH. Is there a noticable difference
> between this pump and the MAG7 or Dolphin DP-800? I have heard bad
> things about the RIO, so I figured I could rule that one out. Any
> suggestions on a good pump?
>
> I have a couple 10 gal tanks lying around, so I think I could use one
> of those as the outer for the Sump and place the skimmer in some time
> of container within the 10. I should be able to pick something up from
> Walmart. Who knows, maybe I will look into buying a sump to house the
> skimmer too.
>
> Have you ever ordered live rock on line? I know my LFS charges a lot
> more for LR than some online sources. If so, any recommendation there?
> I image I can get some live sand from the LFS, if not I have seen it
> for just under $20.00 for a bag. Can't remember the size, 20lb maybe.
> Once I get the skimmer, I will be ready to start my cycle time and
> would like to start with live rock.
>
> I really appreciate you recommendations and quick response!! THANKS!!!
>

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