HELP - SICK CLOWN DYING

[Mark Pearson]

I'm desperate - My clown fish is past the point of no return. I can't stand
seeing him suffer anymore. He's currently lying on his size on a rock and
grasping for air. I am to the point that he would be better off if I could
take him out of his misery. I've ready ways to do it like freezing,
flushing, over medicating but have to think there's got to be a better way.
I'm thinking about putting him down the garbage disposal but don't want to
until I get some expert advise. Please HELP.

[Todd Nicholson]

It's not very humane to put him down the garbage disposal or flushing him
down the toilet. I would use very, very cold ice water. Put icey water in
a small bowel, net him out and put him in quickly. The extremely rapid temp
change will put him out of his misery almost instantly. Certainly better
than being chopped up or dying in the sewer.

-Todd

"Mark Pearson" > wrote in message
...
> I'm desperate - My clown fish is past the point of no return. I can't
stand
> seeing him suffer anymore. He's currently lying on his size on a rock and
> grasping for air. I am to the point that he would be better off if I
could
> take him out of his misery. I've ready ways to do it like freezing,
> flushing, over medicating but have to think there's got to be a better
way.
> I'm thinking about putting him down the garbage disposal but don't want to
> until I get some expert advise. Please HELP.
>
>
>

[Marc Levenson]

Mark-

You are probably better off by removing the clown from your tank before it
infects the rest of the inhabitants. Putting him in the garbage disposal
will be just fine or you can flush him down the toilet if he is small
enough.

HTH,
Marc


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"Mark Pearson" > wrote in message
...
I'm desperate - My clown fish is past the point of no return. I can't stand
seeing him suffer anymore. He's currently lying on his size on a rock and
grasping for air. I am to the point that he would be better off if I could
take him out of his misery. I've ready ways to do it like freezing,
flushing, over medicating but have to think there's got to be a better way.
I'm thinking about putting him down the garbage disposal but don't want to
until I get some expert advise. Please HELP.

[Richard Reynolds]

ignore almost all that (removal is a good idea)

NEVER FLUSH A SW FISH DEAD OR ALIVE

ice water or jar in freezer is the best way.

--
Richard Reynolds


> Mark-
>
> You are probably better off by removing the clown from your tank before it
> infects the rest of the inhabitants. Putting him in the garbage disposal
> will be just fine or you can flush him down the toilet if he is small
> enough.
>
> HTH,

[Boomer]

Actually the most human way is to leave him in a container of the water he lived in and
put him in the freezer.This where there is the least amount of suffering

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"Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
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: ignore almost all that (removal is a good idea)
:
: NEVER FLUSH A SW FISH DEAD OR ALIVE
:
: ice water or jar in freezer is the best way.
:
: --
: Richard Reynolds
:
:
: > Mark-
: >
: > You are probably better off by removing the clown from your tank before it
: > infects the rest of the inhabitants. Putting him in the garbage disposal
: > will be just fine or you can flush him down the toilet if he is small
: > enough.
: >
: > HTH,
:
:

[Dragon Slayer]

what do you think about the dipping in boiling water Boomer?

I was a bit skeptical about it being a little on the heartless side until I
was forced to kill a "past the point of return" tomato clown once and the
boiling water seamed to kill the fish instantly, not even a twitch.

I'd think freezing to death would be a little more felling involvment to the
fish. or no?

kc

"Boomer" > wrote in message
...
> Actually the most human way is to leave him in a container of the water he
lived in and
> put him in the freezer.This where there is the least amount of suffering
>
> --
> Boomer
>
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> "Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
> news:zLljb.82380$gv5.31420@fed1read05...
> : ignore almost all that (removal is a good idea)
> :
> : NEVER FLUSH A SW FISH DEAD OR ALIVE
> :
> : ice water or jar in freezer is the best way.
> :
> : --
> : Richard Reynolds
> :
> :
> : > Mark-
> : >
> : > You are probably better off by removing the clown from your tank
before it
> : > infects the rest of the inhabitants. Putting him in the garbage
disposal
> : > will be just fine or you can flush him down the toilet if he is small
> : > enough.
> : >
> : > HTH,
> :
> :
>
>

[Marc Levenson]

None of the text below was written by me, but rather by Cybil.

Sorry for the confusion folks.

Marc

Faux Marc Levenson wrote:

> Mark-
>
> You are probably better off by removing the clown from your tank before it
> infects the rest of the inhabitants. Putting him in the garbage disposal
> will be just fine or you can flush him down the toilet if he is small
> enough.
>
> HTH,
> Marc
>
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> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
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>
> "Mark Pearson" > wrote in message
> ...
> I'm desperate - My clown fish is past the point of no return. I can't stand
> seeing him suffer anymore. He's currently lying on his size on a rock and
> grasping for air. I am to the point that he would be better off if I could
> take him out of his misery. I've ready ways to do it like freezing,
> flushing, over medicating but have to think there's got to be a better way.
> I'm thinking about putting him down the garbage disposal but don't want to
> until I get some expert advise. Please HELP.

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[Richard Reynolds]

though I didnt give details on freezing, and should have boomer is right freezing is the
best way. fish being cold blooded wont be cold like humans are, its been debated a few
times as to how much they do feel, but its fairly clear that besides chemicals and odd
ball setups freezing is the best way.

--
Richard Reynolds

[Boomer]

That will work also DS but only for small fish. It is a torture chamber for large fish as
the body has to much insulation. I remember once, years ago, when a LFS put a large fish
in boiling water, first it jumped out, was put back in with a lid on it and the fish
thrashed around for a minute or two before it died

--
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"Dragon Slayer" > wrote in message
...
: what do you think about the dipping in boiling water Boomer?
:
: I was a bit skeptical about it being a little on the heartless side until I
: was forced to kill a "past the point of return" tomato clown once and the
: boiling water seamed to kill the fish instantly, not even a twitch.
:
: I'd think freezing to death would be a little more felling involvment to the
: fish. or no?
:
: kc
:
: "Boomer" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Actually the most human way is to leave him in a container of the water he
: lived in and
: > put him in the freezer.This where there is the least amount of suffering
: >
: > --
: > Boomer
: >
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: > "Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
: > news:zLljb.82380$gv5.31420@fed1read05...
: > : ignore almost all that (removal is a good idea)
: > :
: > : NEVER FLUSH A SW FISH DEAD OR ALIVE
: > :
: > : ice water or jar in freezer is the best way.
: > :
: > : --
: > : Richard Reynolds
: > :
: > :
: > : > Mark-
: > : >
: > : > You are probably better off by removing the clown from your tank
: before it
: > : > infects the rest of the inhabitants. Putting him in the garbage
: disposal
: > : > will be just fine or you can flush him down the toilet if he is small
: > : > enough.
: > : >
: > : > HTH,
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

[Dragon Slayer]

Thanks Boomer, I'll keep the size in mind if any future arrivals come
up..........lets hope not.

kc

"Boomer" > wrote in message
...
> That will work also DS but only for small fish. It is a torture chamber
for large fish as
> the body has to much insulation. I remember once, years ago, when a LFS
put a large fish
> in boiling water, first it jumped out, was put back in with a lid on it
and the fish
> thrashed around for a minute or two before it died
>
> --
> Boomer
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> "Dragon Slayer" > wrote in message
> ...
> : what do you think about the dipping in boiling water Boomer?
> :
> : I was a bit skeptical about it being a little on the heartless side
until I
> : was forced to kill a "past the point of return" tomato clown once and
the
> : boiling water seamed to kill the fish instantly, not even a twitch.
> :
> : I'd think freezing to death would be a little more felling involvment to
the
> : fish. or no?
> :
> : kc
> :
> : "Boomer" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Actually the most human way is to leave him in a container of the
water he
> : lived in and
> : > put him in the freezer.This where there is the least amount of
suffering
> : >
> : > --
> : > Boomer
> : >
> : > Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
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> : > If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
> : > "Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
> : > news:zLljb.82380$gv5.31420@fed1read05...
> : > : ignore almost all that (removal is a good idea)
> : > :
> : > : NEVER FLUSH A SW FISH DEAD OR ALIVE
> : > :
> : > : ice water or jar in freezer is the best way.
> : > :
> : > : --
> : > : Richard Reynolds
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : > Mark-
> : > : >
> : > : > You are probably better off by removing the clown from your tank
> : before it
> : > : > infects the rest of the inhabitants. Putting him in the garbage
> : disposal
> : > : > will be just fine or you can flush him down the toilet if he is
small
> : > : > enough.
> : > : >
> : > : > HTH,
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

[Dragon Slayer]

for those of us who have been around for a few years, we know your line of
thinking for the most part, as well as when you post and when you get
"cloned" :)

kc

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
> None of the text below was written by me, but rather by Cybil.
>
> Sorry for the confusion folks.
>
> Marc
>
> Faux Marc Levenson wrote:
>
> > Mark-
> >
> > You are probably better off by removing the clown from your tank before
it
> > infects the rest of the inhabitants. Putting him in the garbage disposal
> > will be just fine or you can flush him down the toilet if he is small
> > enough.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Marc
> >
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> > Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
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> >
> > "Mark Pearson" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > I'm desperate - My clown fish is past the point of no return. I can't
stand
> > seeing him suffer anymore. He's currently lying on his size on a rock
and
> > grasping for air. I am to the point that he would be better off if I
could
> > take him out of his misery. I've ready ways to do it like freezing,
> > flushing, over medicating but have to think there's got to be a better
way.
> > I'm thinking about putting him down the garbage disposal but don't want
to
> > until I get some expert advise. Please HELP.
>
> --
> Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>
>

[rtk]

If you've ever put a live lobster in boiling water you saw it thrash
so vigorously a lid had to be held down on the pot. I put the little
fish in icy cold water with a few drops of alcohol and then put it in
the freezer. I don't understand nature's game in having fish die so
extremely slowly. It's horrid to watch. All the fish in the tank seem
to know a meal is in the near future and prey on it, sometimes even
before the fish is past the point of recovery. I removed an harrassed
yellow labichromis from its fiendish tank mates and put it - of all
places! - in the turtle tank, where it thrived until I placed it in a
community tank. I haven't had any deaths yet in my new sal****er tank,
so I don't know if the process is so slow there. I would use the ice
water in freezer method if it were.

rtk

[Brittany]

I must say MOST of the suggestions I read bothered me. I hope if
there is an after life none of you come back as a marine fish. (opps
soap box)

My suggestion is to take the poor little fella and put him in a bowl
with water from the original tank. Let nature do the rest.

I have done this a few times and some fish that were on their last leg
survived. I always add Kent Protectant to the tank and they were fine
after some time.

Flushing/freezing or boiling a live fish is disgusting but that is
just my opinion.

That being said I want to commend you for your compassion on wanting
to help your fish.

Good luck

Laura








"Mark Pearson" > wrote in message >...
> I'm desperate - My clown fish is past the point of no return. I can't stand
> seeing him suffer anymore. He's currently lying on his size on a rock and
> grasping for air. I am to the point that he would be better off if I could
> take him out of his misery. I've ready ways to do it like freezing,
> flushing, over medicating but have to think there's got to be a better way.
> I'm thinking about putting him down the garbage disposal but don't want to
> until I get some expert advise. Please HELP.

[Jack Rabbit]

Why not pull it out of the tank and just flush it down the toilet? You will
never know if it lived or died. You can only ASSume (as Marc says) it died.


"Brittany" > wrote in message
om...
I must say MOST of the suggestions I read bothered me. I hope if
there is an after life none of you come back as a marine fish. (opps
soap box)

My suggestion is to take the poor little fella and put him in a bowl
with water from the original tank. Let nature do the rest.

I have done this a few times and some fish that were on their last leg
survived. I always add Kent Protectant to the tank and they were fine
after some time.

Flushing/freezing or boiling a live fish is disgusting but that is
just my opinion.

That being said I want to commend you for your compassion on wanting
to help your fish.

Good luck

Laura








"Mark Pearson" > wrote in message
>...
> I'm desperate - My clown fish is past the point of no return. I can't
stand
> seeing him suffer anymore. He's currently lying on his size on a rock and
> grasping for air. I am to the point that he would be better off if I
could
> take him out of his misery. I've ready ways to do it like freezing,
> flushing, over medicating but have to think there's got to be a better
way.
> I'm thinking about putting him down the garbage disposal but don't want to
> until I get some expert advise. Please HELP.

[Marc Levenson]

Hi Laura,

Personally, I never have the opportunity to rescue a dying fish. When they die, it is usually quite
sudden and the cleanup crew do their job and cleaning out the waste. I'll pull out the carcass but the
tank is not affected in any way.

Marc


Brittany wrote:

> I must say MOST of the suggestions I read bothered me. I hope if
> there is an after life none of you come back as a marine fish. (opps
> soap box)
>
> My suggestion is to take the poor little fella and put him in a bowl
> with water from the original tank. Let nature do the rest.
>
> I have done this a few times and some fish that were on their last leg
> survived. I always add Kent Protectant to the tank and they were fine
> after some time.
>
> Flushing/freezing or boiling a live fish is disgusting but that is
> just my opinion.
>
> That being said I want to commend you for your compassion on wanting
> to help your fish.
>
> Good luck
>
> Laura
>

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[Glenn R. Holmes]

God Boomer. Now I have these horrible visions of boiling fish running
around in my head. Ouch!. Boomer!!!!!
I've tried Bicarb of soda once based on advice, hmm,,, I wasn't
impressed. My preferred approach? A couple of boards and a big hammer.
Pow!. Quick. Now you have something to run around in your head also.
heh heh. :-)

I don't like it but is sure is quick.
I rarely have to euthanize fish though fortunately.
Glenn


Boomer wrote:
> That will work also DS but only for small fish. It is a torture chamber for large fish as
> the body has to much insulation. I remember once, years ago, when a LFS put a large fish
> in boiling water, first it jumped out, was put back in with a lid on it and the fish
> thrashed around for a minute or two before it died
>
> --
> Boomer
>
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> "Dragon Slayer" > wrote in message
> ...
> : what do you think about the dipping in boiling water Boomer?
> :
> : I was a bit skeptical about it being a little on the heartless side until I
> : was forced to kill a "past the point of return" tomato clown once and the
> : boiling water seamed to kill the fish instantly, not even a twitch.
> :
> : I'd think freezing to death would be a little more felling involvment to the
> : fish. or no?
> :
> : kc
> :
> : "Boomer" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Actually the most human way is to leave him in a container of the water he
> : lived in and
> : > put him in the freezer.This where there is the least amount of suffering
> : >
> : > --
> : > Boomer
> : >
> : > Want to talk chemistry ? The Reef Chemistry Forum
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> : >
> : > If You See Me Running You Better Catch-Up
> : > "Richard Reynolds" > wrote in message
> : > news:zLljb.82380$gv5.31420@fed1read05...
> : > : ignore almost all that (removal is a good idea)
> : > :
> : > : NEVER FLUSH A SW FISH DEAD OR ALIVE
> : > :
> : > : ice water or jar in freezer is the best way.
> : > :
> : > : --
> : > : Richard Reynolds
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : > Mark-
> : > : >
> : > : > You are probably better off by removing the clown from your tank
> : before it
> : > : > infects the rest of the inhabitants. Putting him in the garbage
> : disposal
> : > : > will be just fine or you can flush him down the toilet if he is small
> : > : > enough.
> : > : >
> : > : > HTH,
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

[rtk]

A caring hobbyist suggested:
> My preferred approach? A couple of boards and a big hammer.
> Pow!. Quick. Now you have something to run around in your head also.
> heh heh. :-)

Another caring etcetera
>I
>> : was forced to kill a "past the point of return" tomato clown once
>> and the
>> : boiling water seamed to kill the fish instantly, not even a twitch.

Others (including me, I'm sorry to admit) said:
>> : I'd think freezing to death would be a little more feeling ......


Boiling? Freezing? Karate chopped? If you're going to play rough, why
not bypass the whole problem of catching the poor little guy and just
dangle a mini pole and line with a baby guppy on the hook?

rtk
http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/e/x/exk7/Sal****erStuff/SW5.html

[Glenn R. Holmes]

Sometimes you have no choice but to do the fish a mercy. I've tried
anesthetizing etc. As I said, I've not had to do many but when necessary
I wanted it to be done quickly so that the fish never knew what hit it.
(Pun not really intended). I do not do it exactly as I may have implied
but I have a similar approach.

Anyway, I'm out of this topic. I just wanted to leave Boomer with a
vision to repay the one he gave me to float around in the space between
my ears. :-)

Glenn

rtk wrote:
>
>
> A caring hobbyist suggested:
>
>> My preferred approach? A couple of boards and a big hammer. Pow!.
>> Quick. Now you have something to run around in your head also. heh
>> heh. :-)
>
>
> Another caring etcetera
> >I
>
>>> : was forced to kill a "past the point of return" tomato clown once
>>> and the
>>> : boiling water seamed to kill the fish instantly, not even a twitch.
>
>
> Others (including me, I'm sorry to admit) said:
>
>>> : I'd think freezing to death would be a little more feeling ......
>
>
>
> Boiling? Freezing? Karate chopped? If you're going to play rough, why
> not bypass the whole problem of catching the poor little guy and just
> dangle a mini pole and line with a baby guppy on the hook?
>
> rtk
> http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/e/x/exk7/Sal****erStuff/SW5.html
>

[~Vicki ~]

Here is a web site I have on this subject. I hope it helps some.

http://fp.marksfish.f9.co.uk/euthanasia.htm

Vicki