Fungus help please

[Tracey]

Hi, I'm new here and could do with some advice.

To cut a long story short a couple of goldfish in my pond developed a
fungal infection (I think the first one had an injury to start with
that I didn't spot until it was too late). Treated the pond with a
couple of courses of malachite green, which didn't help with the
fungus.

I resorted to buying a hospital tank and have treated both of the
goldies with Nifurpinol on the advice of the aquatic store.
Unfortunately, the worst affected of the two didn't make it. The other
is very lively, feeding well and the fungus looked like it was going
away. However, it has now developed a reddish black ring around the
infected area which looks quite nasty. Is this normal healing or is it
a sign of something even more nasty?

Also, if this is getting better, when would it be safe to return the
fish to the pond (it's really not happy in "prison").

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

[Herb]

Tracey wrote:

> Hi, I'm new here and could do with some advice.
>
> To cut a long story short a couple of goldfish in my pond developed a
> fungal infection (I think the first one had an injury to start with
> that I didn't spot until it was too late). Treated the pond with a
> couple of courses of malachite green, which didn't help with the
> fungus.
>
> I resorted to buying a hospital tank and have treated both of the
> goldies with Nifurpinol on the advice of the aquatic store.
> Unfortunately, the worst affected of the two didn't make it. The other
> is very lively, feeding well and the fungus looked like it was going
> away. However, it has now developed a reddish black ring around the
> infected area which looks quite nasty. Is this normal healing or is it
> a sign of something even more nasty?
>
> Also, if this is getting better, when would it be safe to return the
> fish to the pond (it's really not happy in "prison").
>
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

[Reel Mckoi]

"Tracey" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Hi, I'm new here and could do with some advice.
>
> To cut a long story short a couple of goldfish in my pond developed a
> fungal infection (I think the first one had an injury to start with
> that I didn't spot until it was too late). Treated the pond with a
> couple of courses of malachite green, which didn't help with the
> fungus.

$$ How large is this pond? Is it filtered? Is there a lot of mulm on the
bottom?

> I resorted to buying a hospital tank and have treated both of the
> goldies with Nifurpinol on the advice of the aquatic store.
> Unfortunately, the worst affected of the two didn't make it. The other
> is very lively, feeding well and the fungus looked like it was going
> away. However, it has now developed a reddish black ring around the
> infected area which looks quite nasty. Is this normal healing or is it
> a sign of something even more nasty?

$$ Could it be the dreaded ulcer disease? Koi-Zyme and some antibiotic food
should help - and very clean water.

> Also, if this is getting better, when would it be safe to return the
> fish to the pond (it's really not happy in "prison").

$$ Not if the pond was the problem in the first place.

> Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
--
McKoi.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond Page http://tinyurl.com/cuq5b
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[Tracey]

Thanks for your reply McKoi

> $$ How large is this pond? Is it filtered? Is there a lot of mulm on the
> bottom?
>
It's about 2,000 gallons, 3ft deep. Filtered with UV, fairly clear
water. Test results are all coming up good, PH, nitrites, etc. Well
stocked with oxygenating and cover plants. Stocked with 16 fish of
various types (Orfe, Red Goldfish, Shubunkins, Ghost Koi, Mirror Carp
and a couple of small Tench).

> $$ Could it be the dreaded ulcer disease? Koi-Zyme and some antibiotic food
> should help - and very clean water.
>
It doesn't look like any pictures of ulcers I've seen anywhere, which
is why I wondered if it was new skin/scale growth or some form of
necrosis of the damaged tissue.

> $$ Not if the pond was the problem in the first place.
>
All of the other fish in the pond are perfectly healthy, no signs of
disease, lively and feeding well.

We did have a problem a few weeks ago whereby, whilst we were out for
the day, the charming children at a birthday party next door decided it
would be fun to throw the remains of half eaten chicken skewers and a
few of their toys over the fence straight into our pond. The skewers
were found near the waterfall, where the fish like to play in the
running water. Needless to say, the fish were a bit timid for a while
after that. I'm pretty convinced that this was part of the problem,
leading to stress, possible injury and thereby the dreaded fungus.

I've subsequently treated with salts and am going to add some stress
coat today.

Any further suggestions will be appreciated.

[Reel Mckoi]

"Tracey" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Thanks for your reply McKoi
>
>> $$ How large is this pond? Is it filtered? Is there a lot of mulm on
>> the
>> bottom?
>>
> It's about 2,000 gallons, 3ft deep. Filtered with UV, fairly clear
> water. Test results are all coming up good, PH, nitrites, etc. Well
> stocked with oxygenating and cover plants. Stocked with 16 fish of
> various types (Orfe, Red Goldfish, Shubunkins, Ghost Koi, Mirror Carp
> and a couple of small Tench).
>
>> $$ Could it be the dreaded ulcer disease? Koi-Zyme and some antibiotic
>> food
>> should help - and very clean water.
>>
> It doesn't look like any pictures of ulcers I've seen anywhere, which
> is why I wondered if it was new skin/scale growth or some form of
> necrosis of the damaged tissue.

## Without seeing it it's impossible for anyone to say.

>> $$ Not if the pond was the problem in the first place.
>>
> All of the other fish in the pond are perfectly healthy, no signs of
> disease, lively and feeding well.

## Then there just may be a problem with the few that have this
"infection." You can play the wait and watch game - see what develops
before starting to treat the whole pond.

> We did have a problem a few weeks ago whereby, whilst we were out for
> the day, the charming children at a birthday party next door decided it
> would be fun to throw the remains of half eaten chicken skewers and a
> few of their toys over the fence straight into our pond. The skewers
> were found near the waterfall, where the fish like to play in the
> running water. Needless to say, the fish were a bit timid for a while
> after that. I'm pretty convinced that this was part of the problem,
> leading to stress, possible injury and thereby the dreaded fungus.

## This is quite possible. But from what I read what's called fungus is
really a bacterial infection, You can hand treat it with Methiolate on a
Q-tip or diluted iodine. Gently go over the fungused areas a few times - at
least once a day. Don't let ammonia build up in the hospital tank.

> I've subsequently treated with salts and am going to add some stress
> coat today.
>
> Any further suggestions will be appreciated.

## You can also ask this on the goldfish NG.

--
McKoi.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond Page http://tinyurl.com/cuq5b
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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>Tracey wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm new here and could do with some advice.

Welcome Tracey,

> To cut a long story short a couple of goldfish in my pond developed a
> fungal infection (I think the first one had an injury to start with
> that I didn't spot until it was too late). Treated the pond with a
> couple of courses of malachite green, which didn't help with the
> fungus.

Whenever you have a fish or pond problem the very first thing you do is get
the water quality checked. 99% of fish problems are water quality based. So
that's what you need to do. The tests recommended are: Ammonia, Nitrite,
pH, KH and have a thermometer. You can get the tests thru
www.thatpetplace.com look for the Aquarium Pharmaceutical brand, they are
usually very reasonably priced.

Regarding your currently sick fish. Check the water of the sick tank, give
us the numbers (pond too). Having the store check your pond/tank water
isn't often enough, nor is their advice always the best. After all they're
trained to sell you stuff, not fish health advisors or vets. ;o)
(Exceptions do apply, in the case of long standing mom & pop petshops. )

If the water in the sick tank checks out.... which means, Zero ammonia &
nitrite, pH between 6.8-8.4 and KH 80 and up. I'd start with cheap salt.
Not (inflated $$) aquarium salt, but solar or kosher salt with no
anti-caking or iodine. 1/8 cup/10 gallons. To add I put it in a small
shallow cup and set on the bottom and let it dissolve slowly. ~ jan


See my ponds and filter design:
www.jjspond.us

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

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~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
> >Tracey wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I'm new here and could do with some advice.
>
> Welcome Tracey,
>
> > To cut a long story short a couple of goldfish in my pond developed a
> > fungal infection (I think the first one had an injury to start with
> > that I didn't spot until it was too late). Treated the pond with a
> > couple of courses of malachite green, which didn't help with the
> > fungus.
>
> Whenever you have a fish or pond problem the very first thing you do is get
> the water quality checked. 99% of fish problems are water quality based. So
> that's what you need to do. The tests recommended are: Ammonia, Nitrite,
> pH, KH and have a thermometer. You can get the tests thru
> www.thatpetplace.com look for the Aquarium Pharmaceutical brand, they are
> usually very reasonably priced.
>
> Regarding your currently sick fish. Check the water of the sick tank, give
> us the numbers (pond too). Having the store check your pond/tank water
> isn't often enough, nor is their advice always the best. After all they're
> trained to sell you stuff, not fish health advisors or vets. ;o)
> (Exceptions do apply, in the case of long standing mom & pop petshops. )
>
> If the water in the sick tank checks out.... which means, Zero ammonia &
> nitrite, pH between 6.8-8.4 and KH 80 and up. I'd start with cheap salt.
> Not (inflated $$) aquarium salt, but solar or kosher salt with no
> anti-caking or iodine. 1/8 cup/10 gallons. To add I put it in a small
> shallow cup and set on the bottom and let it dissolve slowly. ~ jan
>
>
> See my ponds and filter design:
> www.jjspond.us
>
> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> To e-mail see website

[Reel Mckoi]

Tracey wrote:
> Hi, I'm new here and could do with some advice.
>
> To cut a long story short a couple of goldfish in my pond developed a
> fungal infection

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To cut even shorter, what you need is hippo dung. To cure fish fungus.
Here is what I do.

I eat one pond of hay, lots of ripe bananas with a glance of wine. Then
I do 40 jumping jacks, and 24 hour later I stick my rear end in the pond
and DUMP.

Fungus gone

The moderator
Atheist McKoi.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond Page http://tinyurl.com/cuq5b
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