I told you I would be back!

[Daniel Morrow]

See subject. I got my new motherboard/cpu/memory combo parts today and
installed it with only one hitch - my old video card is either incompatible
with this amd duron motherboard (I have seen this condition before on
another computer) or it is damaged. Luckily I had an old used but working
comparable 3d blaster savage4 3d videocard that works perfectly with it. I
am officially back to this newsgroup (and the others I frequent) and I now
have television on this computer too - no more watching a tiny screen in the
living room. Thanks for the support netmax, and thanks to you others for the
recommendations.

For bubbles as tiny as ceramic airstone bubbles in freshwater, discarda
stones (lee's brand) actually (the slim model for smallest bubbles) work
great, contrary to what i said before.The only significant advantage a
ceramic airstone would have over the discarda stones airstones is the fact
that the discarda stones have to soak in water before being used (10
minutes?). Just thought I would throw that tip in so I could say I am
definitely at least partially on topic with this post.

I am still catching up but might finish that tonight. I hope you all are
safe and not in that hurricane mess, my heart goes out to all of the people
that are in it but more importantly to me I hope at the very least almost
all of the pets (fish, dogs, plants, etc.) are doing o.k. or better. I am
sorry but I hate to see animals suffer - especially from outright meanness
or neglect, they seem so precious to me.

Sorry to hear you are having a spreading problem with your pet fish gill, I
wish I could help you stop the spread of whatever it is.

Later!

[Alpha]

> I am still catching up but might finish that tonight. I hope you all are
> safe and not in that hurricane mess, my heart goes out to all of the
> people
> that are in it but more importantly to me I hope at the very least almost
> all of the pets (fish, dogs, plants, etc.) are doing o.k. or better.

Readjust your limited mindset. This is the most obnoxious thing ever
posted.

[Gill Passman]

Daniel Morrow wrote:
> See subject. I got my new motherboard/cpu/memory combo parts today and
> installed it with only one hitch - my old video card is either incompatible
> with this amd duron motherboard (I have seen this condition before on
> another computer) or it is damaged. Luckily I had an old used but working
> comparable 3d blaster savage4 3d videocard that works perfectly with it. I
> am officially back to this newsgroup (and the others I frequent) and I now
> have television on this computer too - no more watching a tiny screen in the
> living room. Thanks for the support netmax, and thanks to you others for the
> recommendations.
>
> For bubbles as tiny as ceramic airstone bubbles in freshwater, discarda
> stones (lee's brand) actually (the slim model for smallest bubbles) work
> great, contrary to what i said before.The only significant advantage a
> ceramic airstone would have over the discarda stones airstones is the fact
> that the discarda stones have to soak in water before being used (10
> minutes?). Just thought I would throw that tip in so I could say I am
> definitely at least partially on topic with this post.
>
> I am still catching up but might finish that tonight. I hope you all are
> safe and not in that hurricane mess, my heart goes out to all of the people
> that are in it but more importantly to me I hope at the very least almost
> all of the pets (fish, dogs, plants, etc.) are doing o.k. or better. I am
> sorry but I hate to see animals suffer - especially from outright meanness
> or neglect, they seem so precious to me.
>
> Sorry to hear you are having a spreading problem with your pet fish gill, I
> wish I could help you stop the spread of whatever it is.
>
> Later!
>
>
Hi Daniel,

Good to hear from you again :-) and thanks for your concern on the fish
problem which I'm happy to say is now resolved - although I did lose all
but 3 Neons from the 15gall tank :-( (3 Clowns and 3 Neons) but I'm
pretty sure that they were sick when I got them. The tetras after a week
in a 5 gall tank are now happily established in the big Community Tank
which I've now finished restocking and replanting after the filter
disaster a month ago.

The problem was contained in the 15 gall which I have now disinfected
and reset up - it is now home to two Dwarf Gouramis that are doing well
(they tried breeding earlier this week unfortunately the bubble nest
didn't hold up but I guess the only way to look at it is as a practice
run for them. Have just checked the water quality (as the tank was going
through a "seeded" cycle) and it is spot on now - so more fish to buy
(he, he) - problem is I haven't quite decided what to put in there other
than the Dwarf Gouramis....

The Gobie in the Hex tank seems to have just been one of those things.
I'm trying to source some more but they are hard to come buy. One LFS I
use has been trying to get hold of some for months and have promised
they will order them once they find a source (apparently they have to
import them from Holland as there are none in the UK). Maybe I'll save
some space in the 15gall for when they arrive...

The Platy was the aftermath of the filter disaster - v.sad. The
remaining Platys have now redressed the balance and I have 3 small
Platys swimming around in the tank :-)

Currently have a sick/battered/tailess Yellow Lab in the Mbuna tank -
victim of Mbuna in-fighting. Unfortunately I haven't been able to get
her out - she keeps jamming herself into caves. She is still feeding so
I can only hope that she keeps herself out of the way of the others and
recovers - I've had this happen with some of the Melanchronis girls and
they have made full recoveries.

Matt's 30gall is doing well at the moment. Have added some YoYo loaches
to deal with the snail problem which are quite good fun - although I do
think that they look like big wasps - lol

Betta is doing well in his 5 gall - I still need to move the Platy but
for the moment he seems to have learnt his lesson on fin nipping

I think the problem is that in having 6 tanks there is always something
going on in one tank or another - keeps me on my toes :-)

Hope you and your fish are doing well

Gill

[Daniel Morrow]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
.. .
> Daniel Morrow wrote:
> > See subject. I got my new motherboard/cpu/memory combo parts today and
> > installed it with only one hitch - my old video card is either
incompatible
> > with this amd duron motherboard (I have seen this condition before on
> > another computer) or it is damaged. Luckily I had an old used but
working
> > comparable 3d blaster savage4 3d videocard that works perfectly with it.
I
> > am officially back to this newsgroup (and the others I frequent) and I
now
> > have television on this computer too - no more watching a tiny screen in
the
> > living room. Thanks for the support netmax, and thanks to you others for
the
> > recommendations.
> >
> > For bubbles as tiny as ceramic airstone bubbles in freshwater, discarda
> > stones (lee's brand) actually (the slim model for smallest bubbles) work
> > great, contrary to what i said before.The only significant advantage a
> > ceramic airstone would have over the discarda stones airstones is the
fact
> > that the discarda stones have to soak in water before being used (10
> > minutes?). Just thought I would throw that tip in so I could say I am
> > definitely at least partially on topic with this post.
> >
> > I am still catching up but might finish that tonight. I hope you all are
> > safe and not in that hurricane mess, my heart goes out to all of the
people
> > that are in it but more importantly to me I hope at the very least
almost
> > all of the pets (fish, dogs, plants, etc.) are doing o.k. or better. I
am
> > sorry but I hate to see animals suffer - especially from outright
meanness
> > or neglect, they seem so precious to me.
> >
> > Sorry to hear you are having a spreading problem with your pet fish
gill, I
> > wish I could help you stop the spread of whatever it is.
> >
> > Later!
> >
> >
> Hi Daniel,
>
> Good to hear from you again :-) and thanks for your concern on the fish
> problem which I'm happy to say is now resolved - although I did lose all
> but 3 Neons from the 15gall tank :-( (3 Clowns and 3 Neons) but I'm
> pretty sure that they were sick when I got them. The tetras after a week
> in a 5 gall tank are now happily established in the big Community Tank
> which I've now finished restocking and replanting after the filter
> disaster a month ago.
>
> The problem was contained in the 15 gall which I have now disinfected
> and reset up - it is now home to two Dwarf Gouramis that are doing well
> (they tried breeding earlier this week unfortunately the bubble nest
> didn't hold up but I guess the only way to look at it is as a practice
> run for them. Have just checked the water quality (as the tank was going
> through a "seeded" cycle) and it is spot on now - so more fish to buy
> (he, he) - problem is I haven't quite decided what to put in there other
> than the Dwarf Gouramis....
>
> The Gobie in the Hex tank seems to have just been one of those things.
> I'm trying to source some more but they are hard to come buy. One LFS I
> use has been trying to get hold of some for months and have promised
> they will order them once they find a source (apparently they have to
> import them from Holland as there are none in the UK). Maybe I'll save
> some space in the 15gall for when they arrive...
>
> The Platy was the aftermath of the filter disaster - v.sad. The
> remaining Platys have now redressed the balance and I have 3 small
> Platys swimming around in the tank :-)
>
> Currently have a sick/battered/tailess Yellow Lab in the Mbuna tank -
> victim of Mbuna in-fighting. Unfortunately I haven't been able to get
> her out - she keeps jamming herself into caves. She is still feeding so
> I can only hope that she keeps herself out of the way of the others and
> recovers - I've had this happen with some of the Melanchronis girls and
> they have made full recoveries.
>
> Matt's 30gall is doing well at the moment. Have added some YoYo loaches
> to deal with the snail problem which are quite good fun - although I do
> think that they look like big wasps - lol
>
> Betta is doing well in his 5 gall - I still need to move the Platy but
> for the moment he seems to have learnt his lesson on fin nipping
>
> I think the problem is that in having 6 tanks there is always something
> going on in one tank or another - keeps me on my toes :-)
>
> Hope you and your fish are doing well
>
> Gill
>

Thanks for the well wishes - and yes they are doing well. It is awesome to
hear that your pets are doing better. Best of luck to you! :-)

[Gill Passman]

Daniel Morrow wrote:
> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>Daniel Morrow wrote:
>>
>>>See subject. I got my new motherboard/cpu/memory combo parts today and
>>>installed it with only one hitch - my old video card is either
>
> incompatible
>
>>>with this amd duron motherboard (I have seen this condition before on
>>>another computer) or it is damaged. Luckily I had an old used but
>
> working
>
>>>comparable 3d blaster savage4 3d videocard that works perfectly with it.
>
> I
>
>>>am officially back to this newsgroup (and the others I frequent) and I
>
> now
>
>>>have television on this computer too - no more watching a tiny screen in
>
> the
>
>>>living room. Thanks for the support netmax, and thanks to you others for
>
> the
>
>>>recommendations.
>>>
>>>For bubbles as tiny as ceramic airstone bubbles in freshwater, discarda
>>>stones (lee's brand) actually (the slim model for smallest bubbles) work
>>>great, contrary to what i said before.The only significant advantage a
>>>ceramic airstone would have over the discarda stones airstones is the
>
> fact
>
>>>that the discarda stones have to soak in water before being used (10
>>>minutes?). Just thought I would throw that tip in so I could say I am
>>>definitely at least partially on topic with this post.
>>>
>>>I am still catching up but might finish that tonight. I hope you all are
>>>safe and not in that hurricane mess, my heart goes out to all of the
>
> people
>
>>>that are in it but more importantly to me I hope at the very least
>
> almost
>
>>>all of the pets (fish, dogs, plants, etc.) are doing o.k. or better. I
>
> am
>
>>>sorry but I hate to see animals suffer - especially from outright
>
> meanness
>
>>>or neglect, they seem so precious to me.
>>>
>>>Sorry to hear you are having a spreading problem with your pet fish
>
> gill, I
>
>>>wish I could help you stop the spread of whatever it is.
>>>
>>>Later!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Hi Daniel,
>>
>>Good to hear from you again :-) and thanks for your concern on the fish
>>problem which I'm happy to say is now resolved - although I did lose all
>>but 3 Neons from the 15gall tank :-( (3 Clowns and 3 Neons) but I'm
>>pretty sure that they were sick when I got them. The tetras after a week
>>in a 5 gall tank are now happily established in the big Community Tank
>>which I've now finished restocking and replanting after the filter
>>disaster a month ago.
>>
>>The problem was contained in the 15 gall which I have now disinfected
>>and reset up - it is now home to two Dwarf Gouramis that are doing well
>>(they tried breeding earlier this week unfortunately the bubble nest
>>didn't hold up but I guess the only way to look at it is as a practice
>>run for them. Have just checked the water quality (as the tank was going
>>through a "seeded" cycle) and it is spot on now - so more fish to buy
>>(he, he) - problem is I haven't quite decided what to put in there other
>>than the Dwarf Gouramis....
>>
>>The Gobie in the Hex tank seems to have just been one of those things.
>>I'm trying to source some more but they are hard to come buy. One LFS I
>>use has been trying to get hold of some for months and have promised
>>they will order them once they find a source (apparently they have to
>>import them from Holland as there are none in the UK). Maybe I'll save
>>some space in the 15gall for when they arrive...
>>
>>The Platy was the aftermath of the filter disaster - v.sad. The
>>remaining Platys have now redressed the balance and I have 3 small
>>Platys swimming around in the tank :-)
>>
>>Currently have a sick/battered/tailess Yellow Lab in the Mbuna tank -
>>victim of Mbuna in-fighting. Unfortunately I haven't been able to get
>>her out - she keeps jamming herself into caves. She is still feeding so
>>I can only hope that she keeps herself out of the way of the others and
>>recovers - I've had this happen with some of the Melanchronis girls and
>>they have made full recoveries.
>>
>>Matt's 30gall is doing well at the moment. Have added some YoYo loaches
>>to deal with the snail problem which are quite good fun - although I do
>>think that they look like big wasps - lol
>>
>>Betta is doing well in his 5 gall - I still need to move the Platy but
>>for the moment he seems to have learnt his lesson on fin nipping
>>
>>I think the problem is that in having 6 tanks there is always something
>>going on in one tank or another - keeps me on my toes :-)
>>
>>Hope you and your fish are doing well
>>
>>Gill
>>
>
>
> Thanks for the well wishes - and yes they are doing well. It is awesome to
> hear that your pets are doing better. Best of luck to you! :-)
>
>
Hey and I was weak today...got 6 Rummy nose tetras for the 15 gall after
checking the water was OK - "seeded cycle" and you know my thoughts on
that so made sure the nitrite and ammonia was zero - had been tempted
anyway and had done the research so couldn't resist....hmmmm what next
for this tank..????

Spent 45mins algae scraping this afternoon on the Community Tank ( in
the Conservatory) - every time I do this I resolve that I will clean it
daily to ease the workload....in reality if I can see the fish I kind of
stall on the scrape - I need more discipline - afterall the fish don't
care even if my arms ache after that amount of scraping - maybe better
than a gym workout but who knows - lol - certainly I enjoy it more than
a workout not that you would ever catch me in a gym - lol

I'm glad your fish are doing well...think it might be almost time to do
a post to find what everyone has...not tonight though - a bit late in the UK

Gill

[Logic316]

Alpha wrote:
>>I am still catching up but might finish that tonight. I hope you all are
>>safe and not in that hurricane mess, my heart goes out to all of the
>>people
>>that are in it but more importantly to me I hope at the very least almost
>>all of the pets (fish, dogs, plants, etc.) are doing o.k. or better.
>
>
> Readjust your limited mindset. This is the most obnoxious thing ever
> posted.

Easy there, Alpha. Daniel just inadvertently misphrased that. I don't
think he *really* meant to say that the animals were more important than
the people.

- Logic316



"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and
give the wrong answers."

[Dick]

On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:53:04 -0700, "Alpha" > wrote:

>> I am still catching up but might finish that tonight. I hope you all are
>> safe and not in that hurricane mess, my heart goes out to all of the
>> people
>> that are in it but more importantly to me I hope at the very least almost
>> all of the pets (fish, dogs, plants, etc.) are doing o.k. or better.
>
>Readjust your limited mindset. This is the most obnoxious thing ever
>posted.
>
>
I understood Dan's concern for pets. As I listened to interviews with
people that refused to leave N.O. if they couldn't take their pets, I
asked myself if I could leave my pets. My answer is no, I don't think
I could leave them. I felt badly at T.V. shots of abandoned dogs.

I find your "mindset" rather limited and disturbing. Dan did include
his concern for people. But people are more resourceful and the help
when it did arrive took care of people, but no help was available for
the pets.

I am much closer to my 2 dogs than I am to people. I know people can
care for themselves most of the time, pets have little chance in our
civilization without someone being responsible.

The people problems could have been avoided if there had been
transportation made available and good local leadership in the days
before Katrina hit. Pets had to rely on their humans, the humans
failed to take care of themselves so the pets were left to fend for
themselves in a very hostile environment.

I am with you Dan, Having said your heart goes out to the people, the
pets are left on their own and need our concern.

Welcome back! <g>

dick

[Daniel Morrow]

"Dick" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:53:04 -0700, "Alpha" > wrote:
>
> >> I am still catching up but might finish that tonight. I hope you all
are
> >> safe and not in that hurricane mess, my heart goes out to all of the
> >> people
> >> that are in it but more importantly to me I hope at the very least
almost
> >> all of the pets (fish, dogs, plants, etc.) are doing o.k. or better.
> >
> >Readjust your limited mindset. This is the most obnoxious thing ever
> >posted.
> >
> >
> I understood Dan's concern for pets. As I listened to interviews with
> people that refused to leave N.O. if they couldn't take their pets, I
> asked myself if I could leave my pets. My answer is no, I don't think
> I could leave them. I felt badly at T.V. shots of abandoned dogs.
>
> I find your "mindset" rather limited and disturbing. Dan did include
> his concern for people. But people are more resourceful and the help
> when it did arrive took care of people, but no help was available for
> the pets.
>
> I am much closer to my 2 dogs than I am to people. I know people can
> care for themselves most of the time, pets have little chance in our
> civilization without someone being responsible.
>
> The people problems could have been avoided if there had been
> transportation made available and good local leadership in the days
> before Katrina hit. Pets had to rely on their humans, the humans
> failed to take care of themselves so the pets were left to fend for
> themselves in a very hostile environment.
>
> I am with you Dan, Having said your heart goes out to the people, the
> pets are left on their own and need our concern.
>
> Welcome back! <g>
>
> dick

Thank you so much Dick - you're right - that's exactly how I feel. I can't
even express to you and everyone else how exactly right on you are about how
I feel about animals/pets. I would never leave my pets and I would fight
whatever it would be keeping me from them. The most powerful movie I ever
remember seeing was about dogs in the arctic who were left behind chained up
while their managers/owners abandoned them because a storm threatened to
prevent supplies from arriving for months. Some of the dogs escaped, one or
two of them survived (was it call of the wild?) and the stupid humans mostly
didn't seem to even care. I saw this movie when I was 12 or 13 and I cried a
river when I saw it (it was based on a true story) while at the same time
trying to "be a man" and I tried to suck it in so my dad and mom didn't see
me cry and my sister cried about it too. I would never leave dogs like that
and I would fight whatever would try to keep me from them. Thanks Dick, I
consider you a true and understanding friend.

[Gill Passman]

Daniel Morrow wrote:
> "Dick" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:53:04 -0700, "Alpha" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I am still catching up but might finish that tonight. I hope you all
>
> are
>
>>>>safe and not in that hurricane mess, my heart goes out to all of the
>>>>people
>>>>that are in it but more importantly to me I hope at the very least
>
> almost
>
>>>>all of the pets (fish, dogs, plants, etc.) are doing o.k. or better.
>>>
>>>Readjust your limited mindset. This is the most obnoxious thing ever
>>>posted.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I understood Dan's concern for pets. As I listened to interviews with
>>people that refused to leave N.O. if they couldn't take their pets, I
>>asked myself if I could leave my pets. My answer is no, I don't think
>>I could leave them. I felt badly at T.V. shots of abandoned dogs.
>>
>> I find your "mindset" rather limited and disturbing. Dan did include
>>his concern for people. But people are more resourceful and the help
>>when it did arrive took care of people, but no help was available for
>>the pets.
>>
>>I am much closer to my 2 dogs than I am to people. I know people can
>>care for themselves most of the time, pets have little chance in our
>>civilization without someone being responsible.
>>
>>The people problems could have been avoided if there had been
>>transportation made available and good local leadership in the days
>>before Katrina hit. Pets had to rely on their humans, the humans
>>failed to take care of themselves so the pets were left to fend for
>>themselves in a very hostile environment.
>>
>>I am with you Dan, Having said your heart goes out to the people, the
>>pets are left on their own and need our concern.
>>
>>Welcome back! <g>
>>
>>dick
>
>
> Thank you so much Dick - you're right - that's exactly how I feel. I can't
> even express to you and everyone else how exactly right on you are about how
> I feel about animals/pets. I would never leave my pets and I would fight
> whatever it would be keeping me from them. The most powerful movie I ever
> remember seeing was about dogs in the arctic who were left behind chained up
> while their managers/owners abandoned them because a storm threatened to
> prevent supplies from arriving for months. Some of the dogs escaped, one or
> two of them survived (was it call of the wild?) and the stupid humans mostly
> didn't seem to even care. I saw this movie when I was 12 or 13 and I cried a
> river when I saw it (it was based on a true story) while at the same time
> trying to "be a man" and I tried to suck it in so my dad and mom didn't see
> me cry and my sister cried about it too. I would never leave dogs like that
> and I would fight whatever would try to keep me from them. Thanks Dick, I
> consider you a true and understanding friend.
>
>
Knowing you I read this the same way as some others - I hope I am not
making a great assumption by saying "knowing you"....I took a rain check
and then realised you did not mean to write it as it read. I have also
wondered about the pets left behind and have seen stories about people
so devoted to their animals that they refuse to leave without them....I
am very lucky to live in an area where I am highly unlikely to have to
make this choice - ultimately the survival of my family would be
paramount - and we are lucky to have sufficient transportation here to
at least get the dog, cat, guinea pig and rabbit out - the logistics of
the fish I'm not sure about....found this news story tonight which I
thought you might find interesting and shows that the animals in NO and
surrounding areas are now being considered:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4233408.stm

gill

[Daniel Morrow]

Bottom posted.


"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
.. .
> Daniel Morrow wrote:
> > "Dick" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:53:04 -0700, "Alpha" > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>I am still catching up but might finish that tonight. I hope you all
> >
> > are
> >
> >>>>safe and not in that hurricane mess, my heart goes out to all of the
> >>>>people
> >>>>that are in it but more importantly to me I hope at the very least
> >
> > almost
> >
> >>>>all of the pets (fish, dogs, plants, etc.) are doing o.k. or better.
> >>>
> >>>Readjust your limited mindset. This is the most obnoxious thing ever
> >>>posted.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>I understood Dan's concern for pets. As I listened to interviews with
> >>people that refused to leave N.O. if they couldn't take their pets, I
> >>asked myself if I could leave my pets. My answer is no, I don't think
> >>I could leave them. I felt badly at T.V. shots of abandoned dogs.
> >>
> >> I find your "mindset" rather limited and disturbing. Dan did include
> >>his concern for people. But people are more resourceful and the help
> >>when it did arrive took care of people, but no help was available for
> >>the pets.
> >>
> >>I am much closer to my 2 dogs than I am to people. I know people can
> >>care for themselves most of the time, pets have little chance in our
> >>civilization without someone being responsible.
> >>
> >>The people problems could have been avoided if there had been
> >>transportation made available and good local leadership in the days
> >>before Katrina hit. Pets had to rely on their humans, the humans
> >>failed to take care of themselves so the pets were left to fend for
> >>themselves in a very hostile environment.
> >>
> >>I am with you Dan, Having said your heart goes out to the people, the
> >>pets are left on their own and need our concern.
> >>
> >>Welcome back! <g>
> >>
> >>dick
> >
> >
> > Thank you so much Dick - you're right - that's exactly how I feel. I
can't
> > even express to you and everyone else how exactly right on you are about
how
> > I feel about animals/pets. I would never leave my pets and I would fight
> > whatever it would be keeping me from them. The most powerful movie I
ever
> > remember seeing was about dogs in the arctic who were left behind
chained up
> > while their managers/owners abandoned them because a storm threatened to
> > prevent supplies from arriving for months. Some of the dogs escaped, one
or
> > two of them survived (was it call of the wild?) and the stupid humans
mostly
> > didn't seem to even care. I saw this movie when I was 12 or 13 and I
cried a
> > river when I saw it (it was based on a true story) while at the same
time
> > trying to "be a man" and I tried to suck it in so my dad and mom didn't
see
> > me cry and my sister cried about it too. I would never leave dogs like
that
> > and I would fight whatever would try to keep me from them. Thanks Dick,
I
> > consider you a true and understanding friend.
> >
> >
> Knowing you I read this the same way as some others - I hope I am not
> making a great assumption by saying "knowing you"....I took a rain check
> and then realised you did not mean to write it as it read. I have also
> wondered about the pets left behind and have seen stories about people
> so devoted to their animals that they refuse to leave without them....I
> am very lucky to live in an area where I am highly unlikely to have to
> make this choice - ultimately the survival of my family would be
> paramount - and we are lucky to have sufficient transportation here to
> at least get the dog, cat, guinea pig and rabbit out - the logistics of
> the fish I'm not sure about....found this news story tonight which I
> thought you might find interesting and shows that the animals in NO and
> surrounding areas are now being considered:-
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4233408.stm
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Thanks for the info and link Gill. It is an interesting link. To be honest I
would have stood up to the officer (?) with the gun and insisted I would
never leave my pets alive. I know it would risk my death but I could never
live with myself anyways if I left my pets. That's just the way I feel.