Minimal setup for 2 maroon clownfish

[Pszemol]

What would be a minimal FO setup for a pair of maroon clownfish ?
What kind of maintenance would be required other than quite obvious
regular top off of evaporated water compared to a regular fresh water
fish only tanks?

[the depressed wanderer]

maroons get roughly 4-5 inches. for a pair, id say at least a 29 or bigger.
i have a pair of true percs in my 29 and they love it. maybe something a
little wider than a 29 since maroons get a lil bigger than pecs

[Pszemol]

"the depressed wanderer" > wrote in message ...
> maroons get roughly 4-5 inches. for a pair, id say at least a 29 or bigger.
> i have a pair of true percs in my 29 and they love it. maybe something a
> little wider than a 29 since maroons get a lil bigger than pecs

29 gallons just for these two fish ?
I was hoping for something more like 10 gallons.

Other than the size of the tank - what would be the setup needed?
What kind of filtration for just two fish, what would the best
for decorations ? Do I need crushed shells for the bottom ?

[the depressed wanderer]

eeehh... good luck on 10. i personally think thats too small. a 20 long
would be better than a 20 tall IMO. as far as filtration.. this isnt
something you wanna skimp on. even for a tank as small as this, no
especially for a tank this small, youd want a decent HOB filter + protien
skimmer. if you opt for HOB (mechanical) filtration only, be prepared to do
weekly water changes to keep your ammonia and nitrates down.

[Pszemol]

"the depressed wanderer" > wrote in message ...
> eeehh... good luck on 10. i personally think thats too small. a 20 long
> would be better than a 20 tall IMO.

Of course 200 gallons would be even better than 20... I know that.
But I am askig for minimal setup. Anybody here kept clownfish
with success in tanks smaller than 29 gallons ? Please chime in.

> as far as filtration.. this isnt
> something you wanna skimp on. even for a tank as small as this, no
> especially for a tank this small, youd want a decent HOB filter + protien
> skimmer. if you opt for HOB (mechanical) filtration only, be prepared to
> do weekly water changes to keep your ammonia and nitrates down.

Is trully skimmer a common thing in FO tanks ???
I was in understanding I need it when I have a reef tank.
Are you talking about FO tank or a reef tank ?

[the depressed wanderer]

"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "the depressed wanderer" > wrote in
> message ...
>> eeehh... good luck on 10. i personally think thats too small. a 20 long
>> would be better than a 20 tall IMO.
>
> Of course 200 gallons would be even better than 20... I know that.
> But I am askig for minimal setup. Anybody here kept clownfish
> with success in tanks smaller than 29 gallons ? Please chime in.
>

ahem. ive kept a mated pair of clowns in a 20 tall with no problems. a 20gal
will work, i was just saying a 20 long would be better. never said anything
about a 200 gallon :P

>> as far as filtration.. this isnt something you wanna skimp on. even for a
>> tank as small as this, no especially for a tank this small, youd want a
>> decent HOB filter + protien skimmer. if you opt for HOB (mechanical)
>> filtration only, be prepared to
>> do weekly water changes to keep your ammonia and nitrates down.
>
> Is trully skimmer a common thing in FO tanks ???

a skimmer, or some form of advanced filtration is a must for a healthy FO or
reef tank. trust me, you dont want to skimp on this.

> I was in understanding I need it when I have a reef tank.
> Are you talking about FO tank or a reef tank ?

both.

-dr

[bassett]

Regardless of what size tank or species of fish, you can't under do your
filters, be they canister, or large internal's. I know of one bloke that
uses a two foot tank with bio-balls, and filter material, as a filter..
You also need a protein Skimmer, Sure you can do it on the cheap, minimal
expense, and the result will be dead fish..
This is the reason why most fish keepers, stay clear of marine, and stick
with tropical. Myself included.
bassett


"the depressed wanderer" > wrote in
message ...
> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "the depressed wanderer" > wrote in
>> message ...
>>> eeehh... good luck on 10. i personally think thats too small. a 20 long
>>> would be better than a 20 tall IMO.
>>
>> Of course 200 gallons would be even better than 20... I know that.
>> But I am askig for minimal setup. Anybody here kept clownfish
>> with success in tanks smaller than 29 gallons ? Please chime in.
>>
>
> ahem. ive kept a mated pair of clowns in a 20 tall with no problems. a
> 20gal will work, i was just saying a 20 long would be better. never said
> anything about a 200 gallon :P
>
>>> as far as filtration.. this isnt something you wanna skimp on. even for
>>> a tank as small as this, no especially for a tank this small, youd want
>>> a decent HOB filter + protien skimmer. if you opt for HOB (mechanical)
>>> filtration only, be prepared to
>>> do weekly water changes to keep your ammonia and nitrates down.
>>
>> Is trully skimmer a common thing in FO tanks ???
>
> a skimmer, or some form of advanced filtration is a must for a healthy FO
> or reef tank. trust me, you dont want to skimp on this.
>
>> I was in understanding I need it when I have a reef tank.
>> Are you talking about FO tank or a reef tank ?
>
> both.
>
> -dr
>

[Pszemol]

I would expect from people giving me advices here to at least
keeping successful marine fish tanks on their own... please.

I am not going to take marriage counseling from a divorcee,
if you know what I mean ;-)

I have marine fish tank (over 2years now) and it is a reef tank,
with live rock, corals...

I was looking here for people WITH THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE
on keeping maroon clowns in a FO (not reef) setup...
Anybody here ?



"bassett" > wrote in message ...
> Regardless of what size tank or species of fish, you can't under do your
> filters, be they canister, or large internal's. I know of one bloke that
> uses a two foot tank with bio-balls, and filter material, as a filter..
> You also need a protein Skimmer, Sure you can do it on the cheap, minimal
> expense, and the result will be dead fish..
> This is the reason why most fish keepers, stay clear of marine, and stick
> with tropical. Myself included.

[John Hancock]

I've had a pair of Percula clowns for two years, they mate every two weeks.
With a sand bed and some live rock they are doing fine. All I have is a
bio-wheel for
filtration. NO lights. 10 gal, no, 20 I think ok. Since they don't swim far
from their breading
spot, it doesn't really matter if it's 20 tall or 20 reg. Take the advice of
others with a
grain(pound of salt).


"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> I would expect from people giving me advices here to at least
> keeping successful marine fish tanks on their own... please.
>
> I am not going to take marriage counseling from a divorcee,
> if you know what I mean ;-)
>
> I have marine fish tank (over 2years now) and it is a reef tank,
> with live rock, corals...
>
> I was looking here for people WITH THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE
> on keeping maroon clowns in a FO (not reef) setup...
> Anybody here ?
>
>
>
> "bassett" > wrote in message
...
> > Regardless of what size tank or species of fish, you can't under do your
> > filters, be they canister, or large internal's. I know of one bloke that
> > uses a two foot tank with bio-balls, and filter material, as a filter..
> > You also need a protein Skimmer, Sure you can do it on the cheap,
minimal
> > expense, and the result will be dead fish..
> > This is the reason why most fish keepers, stay clear of marine, and
stick
> > with tropical. Myself included.
>
>

[John Hancock]

Sorry, I forgot to mention I also have a maroon clown and know its size.
Had him for 5 years and he is about 1/3 bigger than my Percs.

"John Hancock" > wrote in message
...
> I've had a pair of Percula clowns for two years, they mate every two
weeks.
> With a sand bed and some live rock they are doing fine. All I have is a
> bio-wheel for
> filtration. NO lights. 10 gal, no, 20 I think ok. Since they don't swim
far
> from their breading
> spot, it doesn't really matter if it's 20 tall or 20 reg. Take the advice
of
> others with a
> grain(pound of salt).
>
>
> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I would expect from people giving me advices here to at least
> > keeping successful marine fish tanks on their own... please.
> >
> > I am not going to take marriage counseling from a divorcee,
> > if you know what I mean ;-)
> >
> > I have marine fish tank (over 2years now) and it is a reef tank,
> > with live rock, corals...
> >
> > I was looking here for people WITH THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE
> > on keeping maroon clowns in a FO (not reef) setup...
> > Anybody here ?
> >
> >
> >
> > "bassett" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > Regardless of what size tank or species of fish, you can't under do
your
> > > filters, be they canister, or large internal's. I know of one bloke
that
> > > uses a two foot tank with bio-balls, and filter material, as a
filter..
> > > You also need a protein Skimmer, Sure you can do it on the cheap,
> minimal
> > > expense, and the result will be dead fish..
> > > This is the reason why most fish keepers, stay clear of marine, and
> stick
> > > with tropical. Myself included.
> >
> >
>
>

[bassett]

and **** you too

"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
>I would expect from people giving me advices here to at least
> keeping successful marine fish tanks on their own... please.
>
> I am not going to take marriage counseling from a divorcee, if you know
> what I mean ;-)
>
> I have marine fish tank (over 2years now) and it is a reef tank,
> with live rock, corals...
>
> I was looking here for people WITH THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE
> on keeping maroon clowns in a FO (not reef) setup...
> Anybody here ?
>
>
>
> "bassett" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Regardless of what size tank or species of fish, you can't under do your
>> filters, be they canister, or large internal's. I know of one bloke that
>> uses a two foot tank with bio-balls, and filter material, as a filter..
>> You also need a protein Skimmer, Sure you can do it on the cheap, minimal
>> expense, and the result will be dead fish..
>> This is the reason why most fish keepers, stay clear of marine, and
>> stick with tropical. Myself included.
>
>

[Pszemol]

"bassett" > wrote in message ...
> and **** you too

Thank you for telling me who you are :-)

[bassett]

Who I am , has never been a secret, Stupid, Would you like my e-mail
address and my ISP as well, Tell me , how can someone such as yourself. be
so bloody arrogant, and all knowing, and at the same time be total stupid.
Why don't you run along back to the Trailer Park, where your no doubt have a
very small amount of status.

After all your the one looking for help and assistance.. Not me.

bassett

"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you for telling me who you are :-)

[Pszemol]

"bassett" > wrote in message ...
> Who I am , has never been a secret, Stupid, Would you like my e-mail
> address and my ISP as well, Tell me , how can someone such as yourself. be
> so bloody arrogant, and all knowing, and at the same time be total stupid.
> Why don't you run along back to the Trailer Park, where your no doubt have a
> very small amount of status.
>
> After all your the one looking for help and assistance.. Not me.

Yes, I am "total stupid" :-)
And I am here for an advice, but an advice from people who are successful.
Not from people who failed, like you. So please find a different
newsgroup because obviously you should not give people advice on
how to keep a successful marine tanks if you failed with your own tank
and now stay away from marine tanks at all. Stick to guppies instead!
Here is rec.aquaria.MARINE.misc newsgroup... if you have not noticed yet.

EOT.

[bassett]

Who made you the moderator, Christ you really have got designs on yourself.
Your the last person to tell anyone what to do, Now run along back to the
trailer park where you no doubt fit right in,,
Or are you one of those people that likes to start an argument and then get
the ****s when you come up against your betters, and you sunshine are
inferior to me, your the one asking for help, and if you don't like the
advice, just ignore it, Better still **** off to a dedicated registered
forum and ask your little questions in the Newbee section.

Pathetic, really.

No wonder you're completely unemployable.

bassett




"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
Yes, I am "total stupid" :-)
> And I am here for an advice, but an advice from people who are successful.
> Not from people who failed, like you. So please find a different
> newsgroup because obviously you should not give people advice on
> how to keep a successful marine tanks if you failed with your own tank
> and now stay away from marine tanks at all. Stick to guppies instead!
> Here is rec.aquaria.MARINE.misc newsgroup... if you have not noticed yet.
>
> EOT.

> "bassett" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Who I am , has never been a secret, Stupid, Would you like my e-mail
>> address and my ISP as well, Tell me , how can someone such as yourself.
>> be so bloody arrogant, and all knowing, and at the same time be total
>> stupid.
>> Why don't you run along back to the Trailer Park, where your no doubt
>> have a very small amount of status.
>>
>> After all your the one looking for help and assistance.. Not me.
>
>

[Pszemol]

Come on guppy-boy, let it go.

"bassett" > wrote in message ...
> Who made you the moderator, Christ you really have got designs on yourself.
> Your the last person to tell anyone what to do, Now run along back to the
> trailer park where you no doubt fit right in,,
> Or are you one of those people that likes to start an argument and then get
> the ****s when you come up against your betters, and you sunshine are
> inferior to me, your the one asking for help, and if you don't like the
> advice, just ignore it, Better still **** off to a dedicated registered
> forum and ask your little questions in the Newbee section.
>
> Pathetic, really.
>
> No wonder you're completely unemployable.
>
> bassett
>
>
>
>
> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> ...
> Yes, I am "total stupid" :-)
>> And I am here for an advice, but an advice from people who are successful.
>> Not from people who failed, like you. So please find a different
>> newsgroup because obviously you should not give people advice on
>> how to keep a successful marine tanks if you failed with your own tank
>> and now stay away from marine tanks at all. Stick to guppies instead!
>> Here is rec.aquaria.MARINE.misc newsgroup... if you have not noticed yet.
>>
>> EOT.
>
>> "bassett" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Who I am , has never been a secret, Stupid, Would you like my e-mail
>>> address and my ISP as well, Tell me , how can someone such as yourself.
>>> be so bloody arrogant, and all knowing, and at the same time be total
>>> stupid.
>>> Why don't you run along back to the Trailer Park, where your no doubt
>>> have a very small amount of status.
>>>
>>> After all your the one looking for help and assistance.. Not me.
>>
>>
>

[bassett]

Is that the best you can come up with, I,m really surprised , I thought you
would have more then a simple One liner.
But even that's not correct, I keep Lace Angels, and have done for many
years,
But hay, you started this little disagreement, and now you want the last
word, not going to happen "sunshine"
And I,m only just starting to get warmed up.. The trouble is , people like
you , have your little one liners, and then run out of steam, Your simply
not up to my standard of debate.. In fact you lack an Testicular fortitude,
what so ever.
So next time you decide to berate someone, for simply trying to help, you
better hope it;s not someone like me you pick on, Now run along, Mummies
got your tea on the table.
And as I said ,
Pathetic, really.

No wonder you're completely unemployable.

bassett

"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> Come on guppy-boy, let it go.
>
> "bassett" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Who made you the moderator, Christ you really have got designs on
>> yourself. Your the last person to tell anyone what to do, Now run along
>> back to the trailer park where you no doubt fit right in,,
>> Or are you one of those people that likes to start an argument and then
>> get the ****s when you come up against your betters, and you sunshine
>> are inferior to me, your the one asking for help, and if you don't like
>> the advice, just ignore it, Better still **** off to a dedicated
>> registered forum and ask your little questions in the Newbee section.
>>
>> Pathetic, really.
>>
>> No wonder you're completely unemployable.
>>
>> bassett

[John Hancock]

Is it only that you foam at the mouth is because you only hace 2" of
manhood!

"bassett" > wrote in message
...
> Is that the best you can come up with, I,m really surprised , I thought
you
> would have more then a simple One liner.
> But even that's not correct, I keep Lace Angels, and have done for many
> years,
> But hay, you started this little disagreement, and now you want the last
> word, not going to happen "sunshine"
> And I,m only just starting to get warmed up.. The trouble is , people
like
> you , have your little one liners, and then run out of steam, Your simply
> not up to my standard of debate.. In fact you lack an Testicular
fortitude,
> what so ever.
> So next time you decide to berate someone, for simply trying to help,
you
> better hope it;s not someone like me you pick on, Now run along, Mummies
> got your tea on the table.
> And as I said ,
> Pathetic, really.
>
> No wonder you're completely unemployable.
>
> bassett
>
> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Come on guppy-boy, let it go.
> >
> > "bassett" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Who made you the moderator, Christ you really have got designs on
> >> yourself. Your the last person to tell anyone what to do, Now run
along
> >> back to the trailer park where you no doubt fit right in,,
> >> Or are you one of those people that likes to start an argument and then
> >> get the ****s when you come up against your betters, and you sunshine
> >> are inferior to me, your the one asking for help, and if you don't like
> >> the advice, just ignore it, Better still **** off to a dedicated
> >> registered forum and ask your little questions in the Newbee section.
> >>
> >> Pathetic, really.
> >>
> >> No wonder you're completely unemployable.
> >>
> >> bassett
>
>

[bassett]

But considerably more Brain Cells. Check out this clowns diction.

He was an embarrassment to his mother, and his father said he was total
useless.
Shame really, he would make a good fence post.
bassett

"John Hancock" > wrote in message
> Is it only that you foam at the mouth is because you only hace 2" of
> manhood!
>
> "bassett" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Is that the best you can come up with, I,m really surprised , I thought
> you
>> would have more then a simple One liner.
>> But even that's not correct, I keep Lace Angels, and have done for many
>> years,
>> But hay, you started this little disagreement, and now you want the
>> last
>> word, not going to happen "sunshine"
>> And I,m only just starting to get warmed up.. The trouble is , people
> like
>> you , have your little one liners, and then run out of steam, Your simply
>> not up to my standard of debate.. In fact you lack an Testicular
> fortitude,
>> what so ever.
>> So next time you decide to berate someone, for simply trying to help,
> you
>> better hope it;s not someone like me you pick on, Now run along,
>> Mummies
>> got your tea on the table.
>> And as I said ,
>> Pathetic, really.
>>
>> No wonder you're completely unemployable.
>>
>> bassett
>>
>> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Come on guppy-boy, let it go.

[the depressed wanderer]

my fence posts take offence to that!