Anemonies Everywhere

[Brad]

Some of you may have read the post my wife put up a month and a half ago
about our anemone splitting. I would just like to report they are both
doing very well and are actually bigger in size than before they split. Our
Maroon Clown on the other hand is a very over tasked fish, going from one to
the next all day and defending both (although they don't need defending!).
I'm wondering if I should attempt to get him a companion, he/she is not full
grown, but I don't want to cause a huge problem. Anyone have any experience
in adding a second/third clown after one has already become territorial?

On another anemone note, I bought a small little chunk/frag of button polyps
a few months back and from within have sprung what appear to be two very
small bubble tip anemones.... so the total count in the tank is now 4.
These new guys are only about twice the size of the buttons, but are growing
and have recently started moving around the rock a bit. Might have to put
them up for adoption in a few months!!

Brad

[Cindy Fong]

Hmmm... mostly they recommend getting mated pairs, but clowns are
hermaphroditic so one or the other will change to be the male or female.

I got two at the same time, and I couldn't really tell if they were a "mated
pair" or not, but adding them at the same time seems to be key. They were
both about the same size when I got them, but now one is much larger (the
female) than the other (the male).

If you do decide to get a new one, try moving the rocks and stuff around if
he's territorial and reacclimate your clownfish along with the new one at
the same time so they are both on "equal ground."

My 2 cents...

"Brad" > wrote in message
news:40Dlb.66903$La.13414@fed1read02...
> Some of you may have read the post my wife put up a month and a half ago
> about our anemone splitting. I would just like to report they are both
> doing very well and are actually bigger in size than before they split.
Our
> Maroon Clown on the other hand is a very over tasked fish, going from one
to
> the next all day and defending both (although they don't need defending!).
> I'm wondering if I should attempt to get him a companion, he/she is not
full
> grown, but I don't want to cause a huge problem. Anyone have any
experience
> in adding a second/third clown after one has already become territorial?
>
> On another anemone note, I bought a small little chunk/frag of button
polyps
> a few months back and from within have sprung what appear to be two very
> small bubble tip anemones.... so the total count in the tank is now 4.
> These new guys are only about twice the size of the buttons, but are
growing
> and have recently started moving around the rock a bit. Might have to put
> them up for adoption in a few months!!
>
> Brad
>
>

[Brad]

The ones in my tank are much lighter and a more brown than green color
(although color in the anemone world isn't what seperate species types), but
I did notice they have the same sort of serrated edge just before the
tentacles. Both have been in the tank for about 2 months and have not
reproduced or made there way to the top of the tank but they have doubled in
size. Marc, how long until the became a "pest" in your aquarium? I don't
think I'm going to put them up for adoption just yet, but at least know I
know what to watch for. Thanks guys.

Brad

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
> Or this one:
>
> http://melevsreef.com/id/mejano.html
>
> And here's another page, showing one spitting. The final picture is when
I had
> a couple in captivity waiting to be shipped to Dragon Slayer as he wanted
them.
> <grin>
>
> http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/tank/mejano.html
>
> Marc
>
>
> Dragon Slayer wrote:
>
> > http://sparklingfloorservice.com/melevsreef/id/mejano.html
> >
> > here is his link
> >
> > kc
>
> --
> Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>
>

[Dragon Slayer]

"Brad" > wrote in message
news:40Dlb.66903$La.13414@fed1read02...


> On another anemone note, I bought a small little chunk/frag of button
polyps
> a few months back and from within have sprung what appear to be two very
> small bubble tip anemones....
>
> Brad
>
>

I'd venture to guess most likely these are Mejano's not BTA. I personally
like them but they are pest anemone's none the less and will kill off corals
as well as take over a tank. they are considerably harder to get rid of the
aiptasia.

Marc used to have pics of them on his website, might still have you can
check it out or ask him and he's most likely got a pic.

kc

[Dragon Slayer]

http://sparklingfloorservice.com/melevsreef/id/mejano.html

here is his link

kc

[Greg Hewitt-Long]

"Cindy Fong" > wrote in message news:<1066870011.199697@sj-nntpcache-3>...
> Hmmm... mostly they recommend getting mated pairs, but clowns are
> hermaphroditic so one or the other will change to be the male or female.
>

I could be wrong, but I think that's incorrect - they all start out
male from knowledge - one in a group will change to female, but I
don't think they revert back to male - if you have some evidence or
research on the female to male change, I'd like to see it please!

> I got two at the same time, and I couldn't really tell if they were a "mated
> pair" or not, but adding them at the same time seems to be key. They were
> both about the same size when I got them, but now one is much larger (the
> female) than the other (the male).

Quite correct - the female of a pair, or group of social clowns will
be female - all the others will be subordinate males. If the female
is lost, via natural causes, predation, old age etc, the most dominant
male will become female and grow in size. Don't ask me how they
decide who is most dominant! ;{)


>
> If you do decide to get a new one, try moving the rocks and stuff around if
> he's territorial and reacclimate your clownfish along with the new one at
> the same time so they are both on "equal ground."

I've heard this too - in the wild, I know that if their anenome moves,
they are VERY jittery for a couple of days. I've seen host anenomes
move 20 ft or more overnight - the associated clowns get very agitated
when you visit after a move. This isn't necessarily a good thing -
because undoubtedly they are stressed by the rearrangement of their
living conditions - although for a fish that's been settled in your
tank for a while, this might not be an issue - I'm not so sure that
the resulting stress for the new fish isn't a little unwarranted.

regards

Greg

>
> My 2 cents...
>
> "Brad" > wrote in message
> news:40Dlb.66903$La.13414@fed1read02...
> > Some of you may have read the post my wife put up a month and a half ago
> > about our anemone splitting. I would just like to report they are both
> > doing very well and are actually bigger in size than before they split.
> Our
> > Maroon Clown on the other hand is a very over tasked fish, going from one
> to
> > the next all day and defending both (although they don't need defending!).
> > I'm wondering if I should attempt to get him a companion, he/she is not
> full
> > grown, but I don't want to cause a huge problem. Anyone have any
> experience
> > in adding a second/third clown after one has already become territorial?
> >
> > On another anemone note, I bought a small little chunk/frag of button
> polyps
> > a few months back and from within have sprung what appear to be two very
> > small bubble tip anemones.... so the total count in the tank is now 4.
> > These new guys are only about twice the size of the buttons, but are
> growing
> > and have recently started moving around the rock a bit. Might have to put
> > them up for adoption in a few months!!
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >

[Charlie Spitzer]

"Greg Hewitt-Long" > wrote in message
om...
> "Cindy Fong" > wrote in message
news:<1066870011.199697@sj-nntpcache-3>...
> > Hmmm... mostly they recommend getting mated pairs, but clowns are
> > hermaphroditic so one or the other will change to be the male or female.
> >
>
> I could be wrong, but I think that's incorrect - they all start out
> male from knowledge - one in a group will change to female, but I
> don't think they revert back to male - if you have some evidence or
> research on the female to male change, I'd like to see it please!

they are it's. multiple males in the same tank would cause havoc.

> > I got two at the same time, and I couldn't really tell if they were a
"mated
> > pair" or not, but adding them at the same time seems to be key. They
were
> > both about the same size when I got them, but now one is much larger
(the
> > female) than the other (the male).
>
> Quite correct - the female of a pair, or group of social clowns will
> be female - all the others will be subordinate males. If the female
> is lost, via natural causes, predation, old age etc, the most dominant
> male will become female and grow in size. Don't ask me how they
> decide who is most dominant! ;{)
>
>
> >
> > If you do decide to get a new one, try moving the rocks and stuff around
if
> > he's territorial and reacclimate your clownfish along with the new one
at
> > the same time so they are both on "equal ground."
>
> I've heard this too - in the wild, I know that if their anenome moves,
> they are VERY jittery for a couple of days. I've seen host anenomes
> move 20 ft or more overnight - the associated clowns get very agitated
> when you visit after a move. This isn't necessarily a good thing -
> because undoubtedly they are stressed by the rearrangement of their
> living conditions - although for a fish that's been settled in your
> tank for a while, this might not be an issue - I'm not so sure that
> the resulting stress for the new fish isn't a little unwarranted.
>
> regards
>
> Greg
>
> >
> > My 2 cents...
> >
> > "Brad" > wrote in message
> > news:40Dlb.66903$La.13414@fed1read02...
> > > Some of you may have read the post my wife put up a month and a half
ago
> > > about our anemone splitting. I would just like to report they are
both
> > > doing very well and are actually bigger in size than before they
split.
> > Our
> > > Maroon Clown on the other hand is a very over tasked fish, going from
one
> > to
> > > the next all day and defending both (although they don't need
defending!).
> > > I'm wondering if I should attempt to get him a companion, he/she is
not
> > full
> > > grown, but I don't want to cause a huge problem. Anyone have any
> > experience
> > > in adding a second/third clown after one has already become
territorial?
> > >
> > > On another anemone note, I bought a small little chunk/frag of button
> > polyps
> > > a few months back and from within have sprung what appear to be two
very
> > > small bubble tip anemones.... so the total count in the tank is now 4.
> > > These new guys are only about twice the size of the buttons, but are
> > growing
> > > and have recently started moving around the rock a bit. Might have to
put
> > > them up for adoption in a few months!!
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >

[Marc Levenson]

Or this one:

http://melevsreef.com/id/mejano.html

And here's another page, showing one spitting. The final picture is when I had
a couple in captivity waiting to be shipped to Dragon Slayer as he wanted them.
<grin>

http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/tank/mejano.html

Marc


Dragon Slayer wrote:

> http://sparklingfloorservice.com/melevsreef/id/mejano.html
>
> here is his link
>
> kc

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[Greg Hewitt-Long]

"Charlie Spitzer" > wrote in message >...
> "Greg Hewitt-Long" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "Cindy Fong" > wrote in message
> news:<1066870011.199697@sj-nntpcache-3>...
> > > Hmmm... mostly they recommend getting mated pairs, but clowns are
> > > hermaphroditic so one or the other will change to be the male or female.
> > >
> >
> > I could be wrong, but I think that's incorrect - they all start out
> > male from knowledge - one in a group will change to female, but I
> > don't think they revert back to male - if you have some evidence or
> > research on the female to male change, I'd like to see it please!
>
> they are it's. multiple males in the same tank would cause havoc.

They are not "it's". They are sexually immature males. All clowns
are born male from all the research material I've ever found...

http://www.exotictropicals.com/encyclo/fishnchips/April02/fnc0402.html#critter

<quote>
Sexing the fish:

Actually, that's the easiest part - just take any two fish, and give
them enough time. Clownfish are all born as males, believe it or not.
Then, the largest (and most dominant) of any group undergoes a sex
change, and becomes the female. The second largest fish usually
becomes the breeding male, and all the other fish remain "sexless"
drones. Should the breeding female die or be removed, the breeding
male will change to a female, and the next fish in the pecking order
will become the breeding male.
</quote>

Just because they juveniles are not breeding males, they were born
male, ergo - they ARE males, not "it's" as you put it. They are
un-developed or pre-pubescent males, and will "mature" when they have
cause to - ie, the "family" dynamic changes to allow them to - when
the breeding male is either no longer present, or have moved "up" to
become a female.

As I said before - they are male.

Feel free to call a young male an "it" - I'm sure in the human form,
parents will put you right... ;{)


>
> > > I got two at the same time, and I couldn't really tell if they were a
> "mated
> > > pair" or not, but adding them at the same time seems to be key. They
> were
> > > both about the same size when I got them, but now one is much larger
> (the
> > > female) than the other (the male).
> >
> > Quite correct - the female of a pair, or group of social clowns will
> > be female - all the others will be subordinate males. If the female
> > is lost, via natural causes, predation, old age etc, the most dominant
> > male will become female and grow in size. Don't ask me how they
> > decide who is most dominant! ;{)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > If you do decide to get a new one, try moving the rocks and stuff around
> if
> > > he's territorial and reacclimate your clownfish along with the new one
> at
> > > the same time so they are both on "equal ground."
> >
> > I've heard this too - in the wild, I know that if their anenome moves,
> > they are VERY jittery for a couple of days. I've seen host anenomes
> > move 20 ft or more overnight - the associated clowns get very agitated
> > when you visit after a move. This isn't necessarily a good thing -
> > because undoubtedly they are stressed by the rearrangement of their
> > living conditions - although for a fish that's been settled in your
> > tank for a while, this might not be an issue - I'm not so sure that
> > the resulting stress for the new fish isn't a little unwarranted.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > >
> > > My 2 cents...
> > >
> > > "Brad" > wrote in message
> > > news:40Dlb.66903$La.13414@fed1read02...
> > > > Some of you may have read the post my wife put up a month and a half
> ago
> > > > about our anemone splitting. I would just like to report they are
> both
> > > > doing very well and are actually bigger in size than before they
> split.
> Our
> > > > Maroon Clown on the other hand is a very over tasked fish, going from
> one
> to
> > > > the next all day and defending both (although they don't need
> defending!).
> > > > I'm wondering if I should attempt to get him a companion, he/she is
> not
> full
> > > > grown, but I don't want to cause a huge problem. Anyone have any
> experience
> > > > in adding a second/third clown after one has already become
> territorial?
> > > >
> > > > On another anemone note, I bought a small little chunk/frag of button
> polyps
> > > > a few months back and from within have sprung what appear to be two
> very
> > > > small bubble tip anemones.... so the total count in the tank is now 4.
> > > > These new guys are only about twice the size of the buttons, but are
> growing
> > > > and have recently started moving around the rock a bit. Might have to
> put
> > > > them up for adoption in a few months!!
> > > >
> > > > Brad
> > > >
> > > >

[Dragon Slayer]

and might i add, they have grown nicely Marc. they dont split like the red
ones i have do but they are very attractive and have about trippled in size
sense i got them from you.. thanks agian

kc

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
> Or this one:
>
> http://melevsreef.com/id/mejano.html
>
> And here's another page, showing one spitting. The final picture is when
I had
> a couple in captivity waiting to be shipped to Dragon Slayer as he wanted
them.
> <grin>
>
> http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/tank/mejano.html
>
> Marc
>
>
> Dragon Slayer wrote:
>
> > http://sparklingfloorservice.com/melevsreef/id/mejano.html
> >
> > here is his link
> >
> > kc
>
> --
> Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>
>

[Dragon Slayer]

"Greg Hewitt-Long" > wrote in message
om...


> They are not "it's". They are sexually immature
males......................
>
> .............. and all the other fish remain "sexless"
> drones.

I'd call that a tiny bit contradicting. I believe they are it's/sexless.
and in the many years if been keeping marine fish that has been the my
observations of them.

YMMV, but I dought it.

kc

[Dragon Slayer]

they come in many colors. I have brown, green and red with variations of
each. I got the greens from Marc as stated in a different post, and they
haven't spread quite to the extent that the red's have on me. in my tank
they don't "head for higher ground", but that may be due to the intense
lighting I have. when placed in low light tanks they have crawled up the
glass to the light but I only kept them in there for a few weeks.

the red's I have spread at an alarming rate in my reef (they were introduced
on some LR that I didn't know had them on it at the time). they become
pests quite quickly, but I nuked them the other day and cut their population
considerably.

the green's I got from Marc I keep in my Predator Tank, its a bit hard for
them to become a pest in it...........and my trigger doesn't bother them
either. my intent is to move some of the others to this tank and allow them
to completely cover the rockwork.

kc

"Brad" > wrote in message
news:6TXlb.71157$La.43537@fed1read02...
> The ones in my tank are much lighter and a more brown than green color
> (although color in the anemone world isn't what seperate species types),
but
> I did notice they have the same sort of serrated edge just before the
> tentacles. Both have been in the tank for about 2 months and have not
> reproduced or made there way to the top of the tank but they have doubled
in
> size. Marc, how long until the became a "pest" in your aquarium? I don't
> think I'm going to put them up for adoption just yet, but at least know I
> know what to watch for. Thanks guys.
>
> Brad
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Or this one:
> >
> > http://melevsreef.com/id/mejano.html
> >
> > And here's another page, showing one spitting. The final picture is
when
> I had
> > a couple in captivity waiting to be shipped to Dragon Slayer as he
wanted
> them.
> > <grin>
> >
> > http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/tank/mejano.html
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > Dragon Slayer wrote:
> >
> > > http://sparklingfloorservice.com/melevsreef/id/mejano.html
> > >
> > > here is his link
> > >
> > > kc
> >
> > --
> > Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> > Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> > Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
> >
> >
>
>

[Marc Levenson]

I'm familiar with brown ones and green ones. I've never heard of the red ones
DS mentioned, but maybe he'll post a picture some time??? <hint!>

They look quite tame and pretty at first, but then suddenly one day you'll
notice a new one you didn't have before, and one of the originals is not where
you saw it the day before. <grin> Then you'll see another new one in a couple
of days. It takes a couple of months for them to get going, but as you get
more, there are more to split and growth will be exponential in nature. Why
they weren't called Tribbles in the first place is what has me confused. :p

Marc


Brad wrote:

> The ones in my tank are much lighter and a more brown than green color
> (although color in the anemone world isn't what seperate species types), but
> I did notice they have the same sort of serrated edge just before the
> tentacles. Both have been in the tank for about 2 months and have not
> reproduced or made there way to the top of the tank but they have doubled in
> size. Marc, how long until the became a "pest" in your aquarium? I don't
> think I'm going to put them up for adoption just yet, but at least know I
> know what to watch for. Thanks guys.
>
> Brad
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Or this one:
> >
> > http://melevsreef.com/id/mejano.html
> >
> > And here's another page, showing one spitting. The final picture is when
> I had
> > a couple in captivity waiting to be shipped to Dragon Slayer as he wanted
> them.
> > <grin>
> >
> > http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/tank/mejano.html
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > Dragon Slayer wrote:
> >
> > > http://sparklingfloorservice.com/melevsreef/id/mejano.html
> > >
> > > here is his link
> > >
> > > kc
> >
> > --
> > Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> > Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> > Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
> >
> >

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[Marc Levenson]

Bigger, but no split yet? How strange. You've had them at least 3 months now,
right?

I'll be sending your zoos next week. Do you want them shipped in that same box?

Marc


Dragon Slayer wrote:

> and might i add, they have grown nicely Marc. they dont split like the red
> ones i have do but they are very attractive and have about trippled in size
> sense i got them from you.. thanks agian
>
> kc
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Or this one:
> >
> > http://melevsreef.com/id/mejano.html
> >
> > And here's another page, showing one spitting. The final picture is when
> I had
> > a couple in captivity waiting to be shipped to Dragon Slayer as he wanted
> them.
> > <grin>
> >
> > http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/tank/mejano.html
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > Dragon Slayer wrote:
> >
> > > http://sparklingfloorservice.com/melevsreef/id/mejano.html
> > >
> > > here is his link
> > >
> > > kc
> >
> > --
> > Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> > Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> > Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
> >
> >

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[Dragon Slayer]

you can use whatever box you want. i think the weather is a little cooler
now then when i sent the clam. i finely got the zoo's from the guy in
tennessee and they took 3 days for some strange reason, with no ice pack
they were fine.

kc

[Dragon Slayer]

if/when I get the camera back I will do that. they look much cooler then
the green's and browns as their tips are more fluorescent.

kc

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
> I'm familiar with brown ones and green ones. I've never heard of the red
ones
> DS mentioned, but maybe he'll post a picture some time??? <hint!>
>
> They look quite tame and pretty at first, but then suddenly one day you'll
> notice a new one you didn't have before, and one of the originals is not
where
> you saw it the day before. <grin> Then you'll see another new one in a
couple
> of days. It takes a couple of months for them to get going, but as you
get
> more, there are more to split and growth will be exponential in nature.
Why
> they weren't called Tribbles in the first place is what has me confused.
:p
>
> Marc
>
>
> Brad wrote:
>
> > The ones in my tank are much lighter and a more brown than green color
> > (although color in the anemone world isn't what seperate species types),
but
> > I did notice they have the same sort of serrated edge just before the
> > tentacles. Both have been in the tank for about 2 months and have not
> > reproduced or made there way to the top of the tank but they have
doubled in
> > size. Marc, how long until the became a "pest" in your aquarium? I
don't
> > think I'm going to put them up for adoption just yet, but at least know
I
> > know what to watch for. Thanks guys.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Or this one:
> > >
> > > http://melevsreef.com/id/mejano.html
> > >
> > > And here's another page, showing one spitting. The final picture is
when
> > I had
> > > a couple in captivity waiting to be shipped to Dragon Slayer as he
wanted
> > them.
> > > <grin>
> > >
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> > > Marc
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> > > Dragon Slayer wrote:
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> > > > here is his link
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[Greg Hewitt-Long]

"Dragon Slayer" > wrote in message >...
> "Greg Hewitt-Long" > wrote in message
> om...
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>
> > They are not "it's". They are sexually immature
> males......................
> >
> > .............. and all the other fish remain "sexless"
> > drones.
>
> I'd call that a tiny bit contradicting. I believe they are it's/sexless.
> and in the many years if been keeping marine fish that has been the my
> observations of them.

ok - let's think about this logically... can you actually say with any
degree of certainty that an immature, or sexually inactive male (or
say... small boy) clownfish would behave significantly differently
from an unsexed clownfish?

Come on... it's not like they play with dolls or action men?!?!!


>
> YMMV, but I dought it.

Idoubt you actually have a clue about the "sex" of your fish other
than those clowns that are obviously dominant (females) and those that
exhibit male (courting) type behavior. We would definitely not be
able to determine the true sex without some kind of dissection - do
you have a group of clowns and the expert knowledge to determine the
sex post-mortem of the group of clownfish?

If someone has actually performed the sexing in this way - I'd like to
see the evidence - as I said, I'm prepared to admit I'm wrong, I just
need "proof" not some keen amateur's opinion.

regards

Greg Hewitt-Long

>
> kc