Surprising, but true

[rtk]

Perhaps I'm wrong and there's another explanation, but I've noticed all
my corals respond to time of day rather the tank lights. I thought it
might have been a learned reaction, that they could actually anticipate
the lights going off, but they have ignored the changes I made for the
switch from daylight saving time. At 6 a.m. they begin to open; at only
4 p.m., they start closing in although one of their lights doesn't go
off until 6 and the other at 7. I think I'll adjust the lights to them
and whatever they perceive as day and night. Has anyone else noticed
this kind of behavior, this independence from our definition of waking
hours?

Ruth Kazez

[Marc Levenson]

Some of my corals will begin to retract several hours before the lights go out.
Mushrooms seem to be only able to handle it so long, then they are ready to rest
apparently.

Set the lighting to your schedule, and let the reeflings find the schedule they
like within that parameter.

Marc


rtk wrote:

> Perhaps I'm wrong and there's another explanation, but I've noticed all
> my corals respond to time of day rather the tank lights. I thought it
> might have been a learned reaction, that they could actually anticipate
> the lights going off, but they have ignored the changes I made for the
> switch from daylight saving time. At 6 a.m. they begin to open; at only
> 4 p.m., they start closing in although one of their lights doesn't go
> off until 6 and the other at 7. I think I'll adjust the lights to them
> and whatever they perceive as day and night. Has anyone else noticed
> this kind of behavior, this independence from our definition of waking
> hours?
>
> Ruth Kazez

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[Happy'Cam'per]

Hello reefers

I find this thread most interesting. Maybe I can help. I'm a freshwater guy
myself and might be totally off the mark but have a read anyways.

Someone took a clam from the ocean and drove home with it (far inland and
higher altitude) to put it in their tank. The experiment was to see if the
clam would respond to the ocean tide at the same time as the clams in the
ocean. The clam in the tank did open up but at a completely different time
from the clams in the sea!!. They figured out that the clam in the tank had
adjusted itself to opening to the tide if the ocean was at that level
inland. In other words it knew that it was at a higher altitude and worked
out that the tide would be coming in or out at this particular time if the
ocean was at this level!

This might be what your anemones are doing, they're adjusting according to
tides not light cycles. Perhaps you should try and match your light cycles
according to the tank inhabitants and not the other way around. It
completely freaks me out just how complex these wee critters can be. Cool
hey? :)

Regards
Cam

[Lisa]

Go back to your freshwater group. Your speculation is wrong.

YRT

"Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
...
Hello reefers

I find this thread most interesting. Maybe I can help. I'm a freshwater guy
myself and might be totally off the mark but have a read anyways.

Someone took a clam from the ocean and drove home with it (far inland and
higher altitude) to put it in their tank. The experiment was to see if the
clam would respond to the ocean tide at the same time as the clams in the
ocean. The clam in the tank did open up but at a completely different time
from the clams in the sea!!. They figured out that the clam in the tank had
adjusted itself to opening to the tide if the ocean was at that level
inland. In other words it knew that it was at a higher altitude and worked
out that the tide would be coming in or out at this particular time if the
ocean was at this level!

This might be what your anemones are doing, they're adjusting according to
tides not light cycles. Perhaps you should try and match your light cycles
according to the tank inhabitants and not the other way around. It
completely freaks me out just how complex these wee critters can be. Cool
hey? :)

Regards
Cam

[Adam]

Lisa,

What is your opinion based on?

Ed

"Lisa" > wrote in message
...
> Go back to your freshwater group. Your speculation is wrong.
>
> YRT
>
> "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
> ...
> Hello reefers
>
> I find this thread most interesting. Maybe I can help. I'm a freshwater
guy
> myself and might be totally off the mark but have a read anyways.
>
> Someone took a clam from the ocean and drove home with it (far inland and
> higher altitude) to put it in their tank. The experiment was to see if the
> clam would respond to the ocean tide at the same time as the clams in the
> ocean. The clam in the tank did open up but at a completely different time
> from the clams in the sea!!. They figured out that the clam in the tank
had
> adjusted itself to opening to the tide if the ocean was at that level
> inland. In other words it knew that it was at a higher altitude and worked
> out that the tide would be coming in or out at this particular time if the
> ocean was at this level!
>
> This might be what your anemones are doing, they're adjusting according to
> tides not light cycles. Perhaps you should try and match your light cycles
> according to the tank inhabitants and not the other way around. It
> completely freaks me out just how complex these wee critters can be. Cool
> hey? :)
>
> Regards
> Cam
>
>
>

[Lisa]

All of the speculation in his post, the fact that he is not in the hobby of
reefs, my years of living on the beach, diving the reef and 8 years of being
in the reef hobby myself...oh, and 3 years of reading King Marc's wonderful
posts ;).

Oh, I almost forgot -trolling.

YRT


"Adam" > wrote in message
...
Lisa,

What is your opinion based on?

Ed

"Lisa" > wrote in message
...
> Go back to your freshwater group. Your speculation is wrong.
>
> YRT
>
> "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
> ...
> Hello reefers
>
> I find this thread most interesting. Maybe I can help. I'm a freshwater
guy
> myself and might be totally off the mark but have a read anyways.
>
> Someone took a clam from the ocean and drove home with it (far inland and
> higher altitude) to put it in their tank. The experiment was to see if the
> clam would respond to the ocean tide at the same time as the clams in the
> ocean. The clam in the tank did open up but at a completely different time
> from the clams in the sea!!. They figured out that the clam in the tank
had
> adjusted itself to opening to the tide if the ocean was at that level
> inland. In other words it knew that it was at a higher altitude and worked
> out that the tide would be coming in or out at this particular time if the
> ocean was at this level!
>
> This might be what your anemones are doing, they're adjusting according to
> tides not light cycles. Perhaps you should try and match your light cycles
> according to the tank inhabitants and not the other way around. It
> completely freaks me out just how complex these wee critters can be. Cool
> hey? :)
>
> Regards
> Cam
>
>
>

[Chris Taylor]

Surely they'd have originally needed to adjust from the timezone (Fiji,
Indonesia etc) that they came from to your local time zone when they were
first shipped. Maybe they're suffering from some kind of daylight saving
induced "jet lag" (I'm usually tired for a few days either side of the
daylight savings shift). It might be worth leaving your lighting for a few
days to see if they adjust over a few days. It'd be interesting to hear the
result.

"rtk" > wrote in message
. net...
> Perhaps I'm wrong and there's another explanation, but I've noticed all
> my corals respond to time of day rather the tank lights. I thought it
> might have been a learned reaction, that they could actually anticipate
> the lights going off, but they have ignored the changes I made for the
> switch from daylight saving time. At 6 a.m. they begin to open; at only
> 4 p.m., they start closing in although one of their lights doesn't go
> off until 6 and the other at 7. I think I'll adjust the lights to them
> and whatever they perceive as day and night. Has anyone else noticed
> this kind of behavior, this independence from our definition of waking
> hours?
>
> Ruth Kazez
>

[rtk]

I just spoke to someone whose research is remote from corals, but he is
director of the Communications and Spaces Lab at PSU and his field of
research is on middle atmospheric processes including layering, waves
and tides, electrodynamics, and meteor physics. With tongue only
slightly in cheek, I asked if it was possible that corals could have a
little gps and, if so, would that be a magnetic response that was tuning
them into the earth's rotation. He felt that was a real possibility and
that if in a week they don't make an adjustment to the change of
artificial lighting, he would definitely look into it. There are a
couple other people I intend to ask about it. I doubt very much if I
can come up with a definite answer because I imagine funding for such a
subject would be hard to come by.

rtk

Happy'Cam'per wrote:
..............
> Someone took a clam from the ocean and drove home with it (far inland and
> higher altitude) to put it in their tank. The experiment was to see if the
> clam would respond to the ocean tide at the same time as the clams in the
> ocean. The clam in the tank did open up but at a completely different time
> from the clams in the sea!!. They figured out that the clam in the tank had
> adjusted itself to opening to the tide if the ocean was at that level
> inland. In other words it knew that it was at a higher altitude and worked
> out that the tide would be coming in or out at this particular time if the
> ocean was at this level!
................
........

[Dragon Slayer]

FWIW Ruth, I run my reef's on a 6hr on/off and all my corals adjust to
opening and closing with these lighting periods twice daily. I honestly
don't think that they would accustimate to any "tidal zoneage" or be
dependant on that for their scheme. they bend and flex to fit their habitat
regardless of where they are at, and when their lights come on/off. they
have not a clue as to where in the world they are kept at, either by a
little gps or magnetic lines. they live by light and the length of the day
as well as the cycle of the moon (yea the moon lights the ocean at night) to
determine the season and the tide settings.

kc

"rtk" > wrote in message
. net...
> I just spoke to someone whose research is remote from corals, but he is
> director of the Communications and Spaces Lab at PSU and his field of
> research is on middle atmospheric processes including layering, waves
> and tides, electrodynamics, and meteor physics. With tongue only
> slightly in cheek, I asked if it was possible that corals could have a
> little gps and, if so, would that be a magnetic response that was tuning
> them into the earth's rotation. He felt that was a real possibility and
> that if in a week they don't make an adjustment to the change of
> artificial lighting, he would definitely look into it. There are a
> couple other people I intend to ask about it. I doubt very much if I
> can come up with a definite answer because I imagine funding for such a
> subject would be hard to come by.
>
> rtk
>
> Happy'Cam'per wrote:
> .............
> > Someone took a clam from the ocean and drove home with it (far inland
and
> > higher altitude) to put it in their tank. The experiment was to see if
the
> > clam would respond to the ocean tide at the same time as the clams in
the
> > ocean. The clam in the tank did open up but at a completely different
time
> > from the clams in the sea!!. They figured out that the clam in the tank
had
> > adjusted itself to opening to the tide if the ocean was at that level
> > inland. In other words it knew that it was at a higher altitude and
worked
> > out that the tide would be coming in or out at this particular time if
the
> > ocean was at this level!
> ...............
> .......
>

[Dragon Slayer]

FWIW Ruth, I run my reef's on a 6hr on/off and all my corals adjust to
opening and closing with these lighting periods twice daily. I honestly
don't think that they would accustimate to any "tidal zoneage" or be
dependant on that for their scheme. they bend and flex to fit their habitat
regardless of where they are at, and when their lights come on/off. they
have not a clue as to where in the world they are kept at, either by a
little gps or magnetic lines. they live by light and the length of the day
as well as the cycle of the moon (yea the moon lights the ocean at night) to
determine the season and the tide settings.

kc

"rtk" > wrote in message
. net...
> I just spoke to someone whose research is remote from corals, but he is
> director of the Communications and Spaces Lab at PSU and his field of
> research is on middle atmospheric processes including layering, waves
> and tides, electrodynamics, and meteor physics. With tongue only
> slightly in cheek, I asked if it was possible that corals could have a
> little gps and, if so, would that be a magnetic response that was tuning
> them into the earth's rotation. He felt that was a real possibility and
> that if in a week they don't make an adjustment to the change of
> artificial lighting, he would definitely look into it. There are a
> couple other people I intend to ask about it. I doubt very much if I
> can come up with a definite answer because I imagine funding for such a
> subject would be hard to come by.
>
> rtk
>
> Happy'Cam'per wrote:
> .............
> > Someone took a clam from the ocean and drove home with it (far inland
and
> > higher altitude) to put it in their tank. The experiment was to see if
the
> > clam would respond to the ocean tide at the same time as the clams in
the
> > ocean. The clam in the tank did open up but at a completely different
time
> > from the clams in the sea!!. They figured out that the clam in the tank
had
> > adjusted itself to opening to the tide if the ocean was at that level
> > inland. In other words it knew that it was at a higher altitude and
worked
> > out that the tide would be coming in or out at this particular time if
the
> > ocean was at this level!
> ...............
> .......
>

[Dragon Slayer]

FWIW Ruth, I run my reef's on a 6hr on/off and all my corals adjust to
opening and closing with these lighting periods twice daily. I honestly
don't think that they would accustimate to any "tidal zoneage" or be
dependant on that for their scheme. they bend and flex to fit their habitat
regardless of where they are at, and when their lights come on/off. they
have not a clue as to where in the world they are kept at, either by a
little gps or magnetic lines. they live by light and the length of the day
as well as the cycle of the moon (yea the moon lights the ocean at night) to
determine the season and the tide settings.

kc

"rtk" > wrote in message
. net...
> I just spoke to someone whose research is remote from corals, but he is
> director of the Communications and Spaces Lab at PSU and his field of
> research is on middle atmospheric processes including layering, waves
> and tides, electrodynamics, and meteor physics. With tongue only
> slightly in cheek, I asked if it was possible that corals could have a
> little gps and, if so, would that be a magnetic response that was tuning
> them into the earth's rotation. He felt that was a real possibility and
> that if in a week they don't make an adjustment to the change of
> artificial lighting, he would definitely look into it. There are a
> couple other people I intend to ask about it. I doubt very much if I
> can come up with a definite answer because I imagine funding for such a
> subject would be hard to come by.
>
> rtk
>
> Happy'Cam'per wrote:
> .............
> > Someone took a clam from the ocean and drove home with it (far inland
and
> > higher altitude) to put it in their tank. The experiment was to see if
the
> > clam would respond to the ocean tide at the same time as the clams in
the
> > ocean. The clam in the tank did open up but at a completely different
time
> > from the clams in the sea!!. They figured out that the clam in the tank
had
> > adjusted itself to opening to the tide if the ocean was at that level
> > inland. In other words it knew that it was at a higher altitude and
worked
> > out that the tide would be coming in or out at this particular time if
the
> > ocean was at this level!
> ...............
> .......
>

[rtk]

Dragon Slayer wrote:
> FWIW Ruth, I run my reef's on a 6hr on/off and all my corals adjust to
> opening and closing with these lighting periods twice daily. I honestly
> don't think that they would accustimate to any "tidal zoneage" or be
> dependant on that for their scheme. they bend and flex to fit their habitat
> regardless of where they are at, and when their lights come on/off. they
> have not a clue as to where in the world they are kept at, either by a
> little gps or magnetic lines. they live by light and the length of the day
> as well as the cycle of the moon (yea the moon lights the ocean at night) to
> determine the season and the tide settings.
>
I don't doubt you're right, but the idea raised by Happy Cam'er was so
entertaining that I was intrigued. I just happened to be swimming in
the lane next to the person who works on outer space and magnetic fields
and such so I couldn't resist asking. When he was so receptive to the
possibility I was encouraged and wrote the following note to someone who
would have practical insight into the idea of a coral coming equipped
with its own little gps:
Hi Bob
My corals have not made an instantaneous adjustment from Daylight
Savings Time. In fact, they've always seemed to have a time table for
opening and shutting that was independent from their artificial lights.
Which leads me to wonder about the impossible. Do they (not to laugh)
have a teeny GPS that responds in some mysterious magnetic way to the
rotation of the earth? If the ocean under us had a tide, would they
behave in accordance with it? Okay, so I should get my head out of the
tank and go for a run or something. But if anyone would know something
about it, I should think it might be you.
Ruth

I expect he'll have a nice way of telling me I'm off the deep end.

rtk

[Adam]

Lisa,

So if his opinion is definitely wrong then what is the reason? If the
"King" says it's so it must be. :-) So if you really do have all this
experience wouldn't your time be better spent helping others rather than
trying to discourage them? Just a thought.

Ed

"Lisa" > wrote in message
...
> All of the speculation in his post, the fact that he is not in the hobby
of
> reefs, my years of living on the beach, diving the reef and 8 years of
being
> in the reef hobby myself...oh, and 3 years of reading King Marc's
wonderful
> posts ;).
>
> Oh, I almost forgot -trolling.
>
> YRT
>
>
> "Adam" > wrote in message
> ...
> Lisa,
>
> What is your opinion based on?
>
> Ed
>
> "Lisa" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Go back to your freshwater group. Your speculation is wrong.
> >
> > YRT
> >
> > "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > Hello reefers
> >
> > I find this thread most interesting. Maybe I can help. I'm a freshwater
> guy
> > myself and might be totally off the mark but have a read anyways.
> >
> > Someone took a clam from the ocean and drove home with it (far inland
and
> > higher altitude) to put it in their tank. The experiment was to see if
the
> > clam would respond to the ocean tide at the same time as the clams in
the
> > ocean. The clam in the tank did open up but at a completely different
time
> > from the clams in the sea!!. They figured out that the clam in the tank
> had
> > adjusted itself to opening to the tide if the ocean was at that level
> > inland. In other words it knew that it was at a higher altitude and
worked
> > out that the tide would be coming in or out at this particular time if
the
> > ocean was at this level!
> >
> > This might be what your anemones are doing, they're adjusting according
to
> > tides not light cycles. Perhaps you should try and match your light
cycles
> > according to the tank inhabitants and not the other way around. It
> > completely freaks me out just how complex these wee critters can be.
Cool
> > hey? :)
> >
> > Regards
> > Cam
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Lisa]

Probably true, but I am not here to help 100%.


YRT


"Adam" > wrote in message
...
Lisa,

So if his opinion is definitely wrong then what is the reason? If the
"King" says it's so it must be. :-) So if you really do have all this
experience wouldn't your time be better spent helping others rather than
trying to discourage them? Just a thought.

Ed

"Lisa" > wrote in message
...
> All of the speculation in his post, the fact that he is not in the hobby
of
> reefs, my years of living on the beach, diving the reef and 8 years of
being
> in the reef hobby myself...oh, and 3 years of reading King Marc's
wonderful
> posts ;).
>
> Oh, I almost forgot -trolling.
>
> YRT
>
>
> "Adam" > wrote in message
> ...
> Lisa,
>
> What is your opinion based on?
>
> Ed
>
> "Lisa" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Go back to your freshwater group. Your speculation is wrong.
> >
> > YRT
> >
> > "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > Hello reefers
> >
> > I find this thread most interesting. Maybe I can help. I'm a freshwater
> guy
> > myself and might be totally off the mark but have a read anyways.
> >
> > Someone took a clam from the ocean and drove home with it (far inland
and
> > higher altitude) to put it in their tank. The experiment was to see if
the
> > clam would respond to the ocean tide at the same time as the clams in
the
> > ocean. The clam in the tank did open up but at a completely different
time
> > from the clams in the sea!!. They figured out that the clam in the tank
> had
> > adjusted itself to opening to the tide if the ocean was at that level
> > inland. In other words it knew that it was at a higher altitude and
worked
> > out that the tide would be coming in or out at this particular time if
the
> > ocean was at this level!
> >
> > This might be what your anemones are doing, they're adjusting according
to
> > tides not light cycles. Perhaps you should try and match your light
cycles
> > according to the tank inhabitants and not the other way around. It
> > completely freaks me out just how complex these wee critters can be.
Cool
> > hey? :)
> >
> > Regards
> > Cam
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Fishnut]

Lisa's comments were very reasonable IMO. The idea that clams, corals
etc. will "react" to being a 1000 feet above sealevel, per se, is
laughable. Both the questioner, and the academic, had their tongues in
their respective cheeks.

Regards, Fishnut.


On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:09:56 -0600, "Lisa" > wrote:

>Probably true, but I am not here to help 100%.
>
>
>YRT
>
>
>"Adam" > wrote in message
...
>Lisa,
>
>So if his opinion is definitely wrong then what is the reason? If the
>"King" says it's so it must be. :-) So if you really do have all this
>experience wouldn't your time be better spent helping others rather than
>trying to discourage them? Just a thought.
>
>Ed
>
>"Lisa" > wrote in message
...
>> All of the speculation in his post, the fact that he is not in the hobby
>of
>> reefs, my years of living on the beach, diving the reef and 8 years of
>being
>> in the reef hobby myself...oh, and 3 years of reading King Marc's
>wonderful
>> posts ;).
>>
>> Oh, I almost forgot -trolling.
>>
>> YRT
>>
>>
>> "Adam" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> Lisa,
>>
>> What is your opinion based on?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> "Lisa" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Go back to your freshwater group. Your speculation is wrong.
>> >
>> > YRT
>> >
>> > "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > Hello reefers
>> >
>> > I find this thread most interesting. Maybe I can help. I'm a freshwater
>> guy
>> > myself and might be totally off the mark but have a read anyways.
>> >
>> > Someone took a clam from the ocean and drove home with it (far inland
>and
>> > higher altitude) to put it in their tank. The experiment was to see if
>the
>> > clam would respond to the ocean tide at the same time as the clams in
>the
>> > ocean. The clam in the tank did open up but at a completely different
>time
>> > from the clams in the sea!!. They figured out that the clam in the tank
>> had
>> > adjusted itself to opening to the tide if the ocean was at that level
>> > inland. In other words it knew that it was at a higher altitude and
>worked
>> > out that the tide would be coming in or out at this particular time if
>the
>> > ocean was at this level!
>> >
>> > This might be what your anemones are doing, they're adjusting according
>to
>> > tides not light cycles. Perhaps you should try and match your light
>cycles
>> > according to the tank inhabitants and not the other way around. It
>> > completely freaks me out just how complex these wee critters can be.
>Cool
>> > hey? :)
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Cam
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Adam]

The only reason I answered this was because I knew it was from the troll. I
thought this was an unnecessary comment "Go back to your freshwater group.
Your speculation is wrong." I do however think that the troll in this case
could become a valuable contributing member to this group if he (or she)
would just put a little effort into it. But it looks like they have no
intention of doing so.

"Fishnut" > wrote in message
...
> Lisa's comments were very reasonable IMO. The idea that clams, corals
> etc. will "react" to being a 1000 feet above sealevel, per se, is
> laughable. Both the questioner, and the academic, had their tongues in
> their respective cheeks.
>
> Regards, Fishnut.
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:09:56 -0600, "Lisa" > wrote:
>
> >Probably true, but I am not here to help 100%.
> >
> >
> >YRT
> >
> >
> >"Adam" > wrote in message
> ...
> >Lisa,
> >
> >So if his opinion is definitely wrong then what is the reason? If the
> >"King" says it's so it must be. :-) So if you really do have all this
> >experience wouldn't your time be better spent helping others rather than
> >trying to discourage them? Just a thought.
> >
> >Ed
> >
> >"Lisa" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> All of the speculation in his post, the fact that he is not in the
hobby
> >of
> >> reefs, my years of living on the beach, diving the reef and 8 years of
> >being
> >> in the reef hobby myself...oh, and 3 years of reading King Marc's
> >wonderful
> >> posts ;).
> >>
> >> Oh, I almost forgot -trolling.
> >>
> >> YRT
> >>
> >>
> >> "Adam" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> Lisa,
> >>
> >> What is your opinion based on?
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> "Lisa" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Go back to your freshwater group. Your speculation is wrong.
> >> >
> >> > YRT
> >> >
> >> > "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> > Hello reefers
> >> >
> >> > I find this thread most interesting. Maybe I can help. I'm a
freshwater
> >> guy
> >> > myself and might be totally off the mark but have a read anyways.
> >> >
> >> > Someone took a clam from the ocean and drove home with it (far inland
> >and
> >> > higher altitude) to put it in their tank. The experiment was to see
if
> >the
> >> > clam would respond to the ocean tide at the same time as the clams in
> >the
> >> > ocean. The clam in the tank did open up but at a completely different
> >time
> >> > from the clams in the sea!!. They figured out that the clam in the
tank
> >> had
> >> > adjusted itself to opening to the tide if the ocean was at that level
> >> > inland. In other words it knew that it was at a higher altitude and
> >worked
> >> > out that the tide would be coming in or out at this particular time
if
> >the
> >> > ocean was at this level!
> >> >
> >> > This might be what your anemones are doing, they're adjusting
according
> >to
> >> > tides not light cycles. Perhaps you should try and match your light
> >cycles
> >> > according to the tank inhabitants and not the other way around. It
> >> > completely freaks me out just how complex these wee critters can be.
> >Cool
> >> > hey? :)
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Cam
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

[rtk]

Adam wrote:
> The only reason I answered this was because I knew it was from the troll. I
> thought this was an unnecessary comment "Go back to your freshwater group.
> Your speculation is wrong." I do however think that the troll in this case
> could become a valuable contributing member to this group if he (or she)
> would just put a little effort into it. But it looks like they have no
> intention of doing so.

I'm totally confused. Who's being considered the troll? Me? Happy
Cam'er? I thought his idea of dropping a clam in the middle of some
large land mass and its behaving according to a time table that exists
in some watery netherland was delightful. I passed it on to some
knowledgeable people who enjoyed it as well and even thought there was a
wild, although unlikely possibility. In any case, if this or anything
like it came up in a room full of visible people, no one would dismiss
someone else, telling them to more or less drop off the planet if he/she
didn't like his idea or if it didn't agree with whomever he/she admired
most. I don't think civility is out of place just because we don't see
eachother's faces. If it's me who was considered the troll, then I'll
just have to be very careful to sound appropriately glum at all times.

rtk

[Adam]

RTK,

I wasn't saying you are the troll. I was saying "Lisa" is. She said so in
her (his) 2nd reply to me. Everyone's opinion should be welcome here. I
was just saying that Lisa seems to have something meaningful to add she (he)
just chooses not to as stated by her (him) in their third post to me. Sorry
for the confusion.

Ed

"rtk" > wrote in message
. net...
>
>
> Adam wrote:
> > The only reason I answered this was because I knew it was from the
troll. I
> > thought this was an unnecessary comment "Go back to your freshwater
group.
> > Your speculation is wrong." I do however think that the troll in this
case
> > could become a valuable contributing member to this group if he (or she)
> > would just put a little effort into it. But it looks like they have no
> > intention of doing so.
>
> I'm totally confused. Who's being considered the troll? Me? Happy
> Cam'er? I thought his idea of dropping a clam in the middle of some
> large land mass and its behaving according to a time table that exists
> in some watery netherland was delightful. I passed it on to some
> knowledgeable people who enjoyed it as well and even thought there was a
> wild, although unlikely possibility. In any case, if this or anything
> like it came up in a room full of visible people, no one would dismiss
> someone else, telling them to more or less drop off the planet if he/she
> didn't like his idea or if it didn't agree with whomever he/she admired
> most. I don't think civility is out of place just because we don't see
> eachother's faces. If it's me who was considered the troll, then I'll
> just have to be very careful to sound appropriately glum at all times.
>
> rtk
>

[Happy'Cam'per]

So its official then...

Some of the reefers are serious stuck up close minded gits. Relax, it was
just a piece of info I recall reading somewhere. Thought that it might
provoke some serious thought from your otherwise fragile bubble heads. Think
about it really...is it all that far fetched. How do you think birds
navigate the globe? Animals utilise much more resources than we give them
credit for. I'll bet the ppl that were so hostile towards my post are'nt
really animal lovers per se but the "Look everyone I own a reef, kiss my
ass" type. I might only be a "freshwater guy" but obviously I have far more
appreciation and understanding of the life in my tanks!!!!

I think you're all so defensive cause the bloody Loser Troll got under your
skins. Anything that now gets mentioned in this group is frowned upon cause
its not the norm. Its called evolution folks...new ideas....get used to it.
I've got loads more where that came from :)

Happy Camping folks :o

[Harald]

"Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
...
> So its official then...
>
> Some of the reefers are serious stuck up close minded gits. Relax, it was
> just a piece of info I recall reading somewhere. Thought that it might
> provoke some serious thought from your otherwise fragile bubble heads.
Think
> about it really...is it all that far fetched. How do you think birds
> navigate the globe? Animals utilise much more resources than we give them
> credit for. I'll bet the ppl that were so hostile towards my post are'nt
> really animal lovers per se but the "Look everyone I own a reef, kiss my
> ass" type. I might only be a "freshwater guy" but obviously I have far
more
> appreciation and understanding of the life in my tanks!!!!
>
> I think you're all so defensive cause the bloody Loser Troll got under
your
> skins. Anything that now gets mentioned in this group is frowned upon
cause
> its not the norm. Its called evolution folks...new ideas....get used to
it.
> I've got loads more where that came from :)
>
> Happy Camping folks :o
>
>

I think I agree with you Happy. We do tend to ignore the abilities of
animals, simply because we don't have those abilities. We've thought them
out of existance.

Keep posting & ignore the troll.

--
Harald
130 g Skimmerless SW Tank
290 pound 6" DSB
70 lbs LR
3 B/G Chromis, 1 Tomato Clown, 1 Lawnmower Blenny, 1 Flame Angel, 1 Foxface.

20 gal Skimmerless SW Nano
80 lbs/6" DSB
31 lbs LR, 1 - 3-Striped damsel, 1 Blue Devil, 1 sm. Tang

[~Vicki ~]

Here is my 20+ years fishkeeping two cents worth.

We just don't know. It seems the more we learn, the more we don't know.
Since we are not a coral, we can't just spout the answer. Nor does
anyone I know speak "coralneese" to ask them about it. But seriously,
if yours are still a little off from the time change they should get
back on your time table sooner or later.

Vicki

Some of the reefers are serious stuck up close minded gits. Relax, it
was just a piece of info I recall reading somewhere. Thought that it
might provoke some serious thought from your otherwise fragile bubble
heads. Think about it really...is it all that far fetched. How do you
think birds navigate the globe? Animals utilise much more resources than
we give them credit for. I'll bet the ppl that were so hostile towards
my post are'nt really animal lovers per se but the "Look everyone I own
a reef, kiss my ass" type. I might only be a "freshwater guy" but
obviously I have far more appreciation and understanding of the life in
my tanks!!!!

[CapFusion]

"rtk" > wrote in message
. net...
>
>
> Adam wrote:
> > The only reason I answered this was because I knew it was from the
troll. I
> > thought this was an unnecessary comment "Go back to your freshwater
group.
> > Your speculation is wrong." I do however think that the troll in this
case
> > could become a valuable contributing member to this group if he (or she)
> > would just put a little effort into it. But it looks like they have no
> > intention of doing so.


Adam referring to "Lisa" regarding above comment.


>
> I'm totally confused. Who's being considered the troll? Me? Happy
> Cam'er? I thought his idea of dropping a clam in the middle of some
> large land mass and its behaving according to a time table that exists
> in some watery netherland was delightful. I passed it on to some
> knowledgeable people who enjoyed it as well and even thought there was a
> wild, although unlikely possibility. In any case, if this or anything
> like it came up in a room full of visible people, no one would dismiss
> someone else, telling them to more or less drop off the planet if he/she
> didn't like his idea or if it didn't agree with whomever he/she admired
> most. I don't think civility is out of place just because we don't see
> eachother's faces. If it's me who was considered the troll, then I'll
> just have to be very careful to sound appropriately glum at all times.
>
> rtk
>


"Lisa" is one of our resident Troll in this NG.


Anyay, back to the topic of this thread -
Most likely it react to the magnetic field around the planet and the moon
orbiting it. Which the moon cause in/out tide.