Ich in a Reef

[Evan Mead]

I had a problem a year ago with either Crypto or amyloodinium. After
following numerous suggestions (including Moe) I left the tank without
fish for 6+ months.

When I recently put new fish in, they showed signs of the parasite
within a week.

I have now decided to break down the tank and start it again.

So now for the question, I can quarantine and treat the fish, but what
do I do with the inverts?

Can any of them (such as hermits and snails) survive a copper
treatment?

Thanks

- Evan Mead

[Dragon Slayer]

inverts arent a "host" to the ich. treating any invert with copper will
kill them as soon as the copper hits the tank.

kc

"Evan Mead" > wrote in message
om...
> I had a problem a year ago with either Crypto or amyloodinium. After
> following numerous suggestions (including Moe) I left the tank without
> fish for 6+ months.
>
> When I recently put new fish in, they showed signs of the parasite
> within a week.
>
> I have now decided to break down the tank and start it again.
>
> So now for the question, I can quarantine and treat the fish, but what
> do I do with the inverts?
>
> Can any of them (such as hermits and snails) survive a copper
> treatment?
>
> Thanks
>
> - Evan Mead

[Harald]

"Evan Mead" > wrote in message
om...
> I had a problem a year ago with either Crypto or amyloodinium. After
> following numerous suggestions (including Moe) I left the tank without
> fish for 6+ months.
>
> When I recently put new fish in, they showed signs of the parasite
> within a week.
>
> I have now decided to break down the tank and start it again.
>
> So now for the question, I can quarantine and treat the fish, but what
> do I do with the inverts?
>
> Can any of them (such as hermits and snails) survive a copper
> treatment?
>
> Thanks
>
> - Evan Mead

All inverts will die from copper. Could your new fish have had the ich when
you bought them? Or did you add anything else prior or just after? Ich will
die off completely in 30 days. I had an outbreak during the summer when I
was away on vacation. I cleared the tank for 30+ days, and then moved to a
bigger tank, and have not had a problem since.


--
Harald
130 g Skimmerless SW Tank
290 pound 6" DSB
70 lbs LR
3 B/G Chromis, 1 Tomato Clown, 1 Lawnmower Blenny, 1 Flame Angel, 1 Foxface,
4 soft corals.

20 gal Skimmerless SW Nano
80 lbs/6" DSB
31 lbs LR, 1 - 3-Striped damsel, 1 Blue Devil, 1 sm. Tang

[CapFusion]

Try catching all infected critter to a HT or QT with the same water from the
main tank.

Very slowly increase temp to 82 - 84F to HT / QT.
Feed your infected critter food as normal but with carlic juice or extract.
Add a couple of peppermint shrimp to clean off any parasite.
HT / QT should be upto 6 week or so. The ich or parasite should die-off from
the main tank without any host. During this time, your QT / HT should
prevent any further contamination.
During quarantine period, 25% water changes.

http://community-2.webtv.net/deflizard/doc/page12.html

Note:
Do not use any Copper treatment of any form in your main tank. You may use
in QT / HT.
DefLizard article indicate of Copper use. I prefer not to use it. Copper may
cause irratiate and may cause harder to breathe for certain fish senitivity.
Any copper added will cause stress to the fish which will not help much to
recover but to slow down the parasite. Better try to aid in it recovery
instead.

CapFusion,...




"Evan Mead" > wrote in message
om...
> I had a problem a year ago with either Crypto or amyloodinium. After
> following numerous suggestions (including Moe) I left the tank without
> fish for 6+ months.
>
> When I recently put new fish in, they showed signs of the parasite
> within a week.
>
> I have now decided to break down the tank and start it again.
>
> So now for the question, I can quarantine and treat the fish, but what
> do I do with the inverts?
>
> Can any of them (such as hermits and snails) survive a copper
> treatment?
>
> Thanks
>
> - Evan Mead

[Dragon Slayer]

"CapFusion" > wrote in message
...


> Add a couple of peppermint shrimp to clean off any parasite.

I wasn't aware that peppermint shrimp were cleaners...........at least not
around here they aren't.

kc

[Pszemol]

"Dragon Slayer" > wrote in message ...
> "CapFusion" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Add a couple of peppermint shrimp to clean off any parasite.
>
> I wasn't aware that peppermint shrimp were cleaners...........
> at least not around here they aren't.

This is a surprise to me too, together with recomendation
of copper treatment when you have shrimps in QT... strange.
Will shrimp survive copper treatment or not? I doubt it.

[Fishnut]

On 11 Nov 2003 19:04:44 -0800, (Evan Mead)
wrote:

>I had a problem a year ago with either Crypto or amyloodinium. After
>following numerous suggestions (including Moe) I left the tank without
>fish for 6+ months.
>
>When I recently put new fish in, they showed signs of the parasite
>within a week.

The disease may have been brought-in on the new fish, not picked-up
from the aquarium. According to all the books I have read, cryto etc.
would have died without a fish-host by 6 months.
>
>I have now decided to break down the tank and start it again.
>
>So now for the question, I can quarantine and treat the fish, but what
>do I do with the inverts?
>
>Can any of them (such as hermits and snails) survive a copper
>treatment?
>
No, is the unfortunate answer.

Regards, Fishnut.

[Boomer]

A short answer, the new fish you put in there had ICK. Ick can not survive without a host
for more than 5 weeks and that is pushing it beyond its known limits

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"Evan Mead" > wrote in message
om...
: I had a problem a year ago with either Crypto or amyloodinium. After
: following numerous suggestions (including Moe) I left the tank without
: fish for 6+ months.
:
: When I recently put new fish in, they showed signs of the parasite
: within a week.
:
: I have now decided to break down the tank and start it again.
:
: So now for the question, I can quarantine and treat the fish, but what
: do I do with the inverts?
:
: Can any of them (such as hermits and snails) survive a copper
: treatment?
:
: Thanks
:
: - Evan Mead

[Harald]

"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> "Dragon Slayer" > wrote in message
...
> > "CapFusion" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Add a couple of peppermint shrimp to clean off any parasite.
> >
> > I wasn't aware that peppermint shrimp were cleaners...........
> > at least not around here they aren't.
>
> This is a surprise to me too, together with recomendation
> of copper treatment when you have shrimps in QT... strange.
> Will shrimp survive copper treatment or not? I doubt it.

Nope, no invert will.

I have seen Fire Shrimp perform cleaning duties on my blenny, but not often.
A cleaner wrasse on the other hand...


--
Harald
130 g Skimmerless SW Tank
290 lbs/6" DSB
70 lbs LR
3 B/G Chromis, 1 Tomato Clown, 1 Lawnmower Blenny, 1 Flame Angel, 1 Foxface,
4 soft corals.

20 gal Skimmerless SW Nano
80 lbs/6" DSB
31 lbs LR,
1 - 3-Striped damsel, 1 Blue Devil, 1 sm. Tang

[CapFusion]

"Dragon Slayer" > wrote in message
...
>
> "CapFusion" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
> > Add a couple of peppermint shrimp to clean off any parasite.
>
> I wasn't aware that peppermint shrimp were cleaners...........at least not
> around here they aren't.
>
> kc
>
Yes, my peppermint shrimp are part of my janitoral / cleaner critter. I am
not sure if yours but my does. It nible or catch some parasite if the sick
fish mainly stay still enough. Maybe I should add > YMMV <....

I used to use Copper way waaaay long time ago when I thought it will help
the sick critter recover faster. Now I do not use Copper at all for any
reason in Reef environment with or without invert.

CapFusion,...

[CapFusion]

> >So now for the question, I can quarantine and treat the fish, but what
> >do I do with the inverts?
> >

You can QT separately.


> >Can any of them (such as hermits and snails) survive a copper
> >treatment?
> >

Best is not to use Copper treatment.


CapFusion,...

[CapFusion]

"Boomer" > wrote in message
...
> A short answer, the new fish you put in there had ICK. Ick can not survive
without a host
> for more than 5 weeks and that is pushing it beyond its known limits
>

Yes, listen to the Oracle.
New critter should alway QT or HT until look safe before joining the main
tank.

CapFusion,...