Fish and Gas don't mix

[Harris]

Well my girlfriend went home yesterday lunch time to find the flat
full of gas, somehow the hob on the cooker was slightly on?

anyway, the fish didn't look very well, so I put a spare powerhead in
there and aimed it at the surface hoping to get more oxygen in the
water. I also did a partial water change

The yellow tang died last night, and it looks like my Anemone is on
it's last legs, which I'm a bit annoyed at as I only got it on friday,
and the clown started go in it on sunday...

hopefully everyone else in the tank is ok...

am i right in thinking they have just been starved of oxygen? all of
the readings in the water were as normal except the PH had dropped
from 8.1 to 7.8

[Marc Levenson]

Unfortunately, I believe your using the powerhead to mix air with your water was
a mistake. If the apartment was full of gas, the last thing you wanted was that
to permeate your water. Better to thoroughly air out the apartment and if you
do need to oxygenate the water, use an airpump hooked up outside, with a long
piece of tubing to an airstone in the tank. That is the only way you could
replenish the oxygen with fresh air.

Marc


Harris wrote:

> Well my girlfriend went home yesterday lunch time to find the flat
> full of gas, somehow the hob on the cooker was slightly on?
>
> anyway, the fish didn't look very well, so I put a spare powerhead in
> there and aimed it at the surface hoping to get more oxygen in the
> water. I also did a partial water change
>
> The yellow tang died last night, and it looks like my Anemone is on
> it's last legs, which I'm a bit annoyed at as I only got it on friday,
> and the clown started go in it on sunday...
>
> hopefully everyone else in the tank is ok...
>
> am i right in thinking they have just been starved of oxygen? all of
> the readings in the water were as normal except the PH had dropped
> from 8.1 to 7.8

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[JR]

I would definitely use some carbon to absorb the gas from
the water. Along with what Marc said about getting air from
outside the building. HTH.



JR,

[RedForeman ©®]

Should have put the powerhead with the air inlet out the window instead of
letting it mix with room air, that was full of gas... but if you'd only
known....

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"Harris" > wrote in message
om...
> Well my girlfriend went home yesterday lunch time to find the flat
> full of gas, somehow the hob on the cooker was slightly on?
>
> anyway, the fish didn't look very well, so I put a spare powerhead in
> there and aimed it at the surface hoping to get more oxygen in the
> water. I also did a partial water change
>
> The yellow tang died last night, and it looks like my Anemone is on
> it's last legs, which I'm a bit annoyed at as I only got it on friday,
> and the clown started go in it on sunday...
>
> hopefully everyone else in the tank is ok...
>
> am i right in thinking they have just been starved of oxygen? all of
> the readings in the water were as normal except the PH had dropped
> from 8.1 to 7.8

[Harris]

Marc Levenson > wrote in message >...
> Unfortunately, I believe your using the powerhead to mix air with your water was
> a mistake. If the apartment was full of gas, the last thing you wanted was that
> to permeate your water. Better to thoroughly air out the apartment and if you
> do need to oxygenate the water, use an airpump hooked up outside, with a long
> piece of tubing to an airstone in the tank. That is the only way you could
> replenish the oxygen with fresh air.
>
> Marc
>
>

Yeah I would agree with you, how ever the room had been left for an
hour with the windows open, by the time I got there I couldn't smell
gas at all..

I did attach an air tube to the pump so I was pumping water with air
bubbles in it..

someone at work suggestted (a day late but still interesting) to
remove a bucket of water and whisk it with a hand blender, then
putting it back in the tank, and taking another bucket...

[Mort]

"Harris" > wrote in message
om...
> Well my girlfriend went home yesterday lunch time to find the flat
> full of gas, somehow the hob on the cooker was slightly on?
>
> anyway, the fish didn't look very well, so I put a spare powerhead in
> there and aimed it at the surface hoping to get more oxygen in the
> water. I also did a partial water change
>
> The yellow tang died last night, and it looks like my Anemone is on
> it's last legs, which I'm a bit annoyed at as I only got it on friday,
> and the clown started go in it on sunday...
>
> hopefully everyone else in the tank is ok...
>
> am i right in thinking they have just been starved of oxygen? all of
> the readings in the water were as normal except the PH had dropped
> from 8.1 to 7.8


I find it hard to believe that the gas was responsible for your loss. I'm
not saying gas wont hurt fish, but if the concentration had been enough to
dissolve in to your water and harm your fish, I think you would have had
much bigger problems.
Also, IME, women have a tendency to over-exaggerate things like this. (No
offense ladies)
Sulfur is added to Natural Gas so a leak will be detectable to us humans.
IE, they make it stink so we can smell it.
If it were related to the gas, I would think it was because of the sulfur
that was in it. But again, the concentration would have to be pretty high.

Maybe someone more experienced can comment on this? Would an increase in
sulfur lower your pH? Arent there test kits for sulfur?
Maybe you can get one and check your reading?

BTW, was it Natural Gas or LP?


I would tend to suspect the new anemone.

I've never had one so I AM ignorant here, but the likelihood of your having
problems shortly after adding it is a good indication that it was the
anemone or something else that was caused by it.

Also, don't anemones sting fish? Maybe the anemone and your tang had
issues?

Just another point of view my friends...

HTH

~Mort

[Harris]

"Mort" > wrote in message news:<9UPwb.5533
>
> I find it hard to believe that the gas was responsible for your loss. I'm
> not saying gas wont hurt fish, but if the concentration had been enough to
> dissolve in to your water and harm your fish, I think you would have had
> much bigger problems.
> Also, IME, women have a tendency to over-exaggerate things like this. (No
> offense ladies)
> Sulfur is added to Natural Gas so a leak will be detectable to us humans.
> IE, they make it stink so we can smell it.
> If it were related to the gas, I would think it was because of the sulfur
> that was in it. But again, the concentration would have to be pretty high.
>
> Maybe someone more experienced can comment on this? Would an increase in
> sulfur lower your pH? Arent there test kits for sulfur?
> Maybe you can get one and check your reading?
>
> BTW, was it Natural Gas or LP?
>
>
> I would tend to suspect the new anemone.
>
> I've never had one so I AM ignorant here, but the likelihood of your having
> problems shortly after adding it is a good indication that it was the
> anemone or something else that was caused by it.
>
> Also, don't anemones sting fish? Maybe the anemone and your tang had
> issues?
>
> Just another point of view my friends...
>
> HTH
>
> ~Mort



It was natural gas, I think the reason we didn't notice the gas is the
window was open, but when I left for work I shut the window, and shut
the door to the kitchen to keep the cat out. So it had 5 hours of gas
to fill the kitchen...

At first I was sure it was the gas, I mean it can't be good for the
fish, but the more people say about the new anemone, the more I'm
questioning it... the anemone has now died as well. (those things
smell when they die)

anyway I've got all sorts of problems with my water now, the PH is
back to normal, but the nitrate, nitrite, and ammonia are higher than
normally, and the Phosphate is lower than normal... not really sure
what all these mean but the can't be good!

anyway did another water change last night, so hopefully all will be
better tonight...

don't like it when things go wrong, this is the first problem I've had
in the with the tank in the year I've been looking after it...

[Jamie Rays]

I can't believe that you actually responded to me on this one.

You really are a moron.


"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, I believe your using the powerhead to mix air with your water
was
a mistake. If the apartment was full of gas, the last thing you wanted was
that
to permeate your water. Better to thoroughly air out the apartment and if
you
do need to oxygenate the water, use an airpump hooked up outside, with a
long
piece of tubing to an airstone in the tank. That is the only way you could
replenish the oxygen with fresh air.

Marc


Harris wrote:

> Well my girlfriend went home yesterday lunch time to find the flat
> full of gas, somehow the hob on the cooker was slightly on?
>
> anyway, the fish didn't look very well, so I put a spare powerhead in
> there and aimed it at the surface hoping to get more oxygen in the
> water. I also did a partial water change
>
> The yellow tang died last night, and it looks like my Anemone is on
> it's last legs, which I'm a bit annoyed at as I only got it on friday,
> and the clown started go in it on sunday...
>
> hopefully everyone else in the tank is ok...
>
> am i right in thinking they have just been starved of oxygen? all of
> the readings in the water were as normal except the PH had dropped
> from 8.1 to 7.8

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[Jamie Rays]

Give me a break you retard... you have nothing to offer here and should be
reading your book.


"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
Should have put the powerhead with the air inlet out the window instead of
letting it mix with room air, that was full of gas... but if you'd only
known....

--

RedForeman ©®





"Harris" > wrote in message
om...
> Well my girlfriend went home yesterday lunch time to find the flat
> full of gas, somehow the hob on the cooker was slightly on?
>
> anyway, the fish didn't look very well, so I put a spare powerhead in
> there and aimed it at the surface hoping to get more oxygen in the
> water. I also did a partial water change
>
> The yellow tang died last night, and it looks like my Anemone is on
> it's last legs, which I'm a bit annoyed at as I only got it on friday,
> and the clown started go in it on sunday...
>
> hopefully everyone else in the tank is ok...
>
> am i right in thinking they have just been starved of oxygen? all of
> the readings in the water were as normal except the PH had dropped
> from 8.1 to 7.8

[Fishnut]

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:12:45 -0600, "Jamie Rays" >
wrote:

>I can't believe that you actually responded to me on this one.
>
>You really are a moron.

No, the only moron is you !!

Marc tries to help people on the salt-water related groups.

Why don't you target other Groups instead ? This is a relaxing hobby,
with (mainly) decent participants.

No regards to you, Fishnut.

[Jamie Rays]

LOL. If you don't like what I have to say... filter me out... if you can.

That's the only way to get rid of me.


"Fishnut" > wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 12:12:45 -0600, "Jamie Rays" >
wrote:

>I can't believe that you actually responded to me on this one.
>
>You really are a moron.

No, the only moron is you !!

Marc tries to help people on the salt-water related groups.

Why don't you target other Groups instead ? This is a relaxing hobby,
with (mainly) decent participants.

No regards to you, Fishnut.

[Harris]

"Jamie Rays" > wrote in message news:<puoxb.66773$xV6.45676@lakeread04>...
> LOL. If you don't like what I have to say... filter me out... if you can.
>
> That's the only way to get rid of me.
>
>


surely you sould ask you parents permission before you use the internet?

[Jason Anderson]

Your mother said it was okay ;).



"Harris" > wrote in message
om...
"Jamie Rays" > wrote in message
news:<puoxb.66773$xV6.45676@lakeread04>...
> LOL. If you don't like what I have to say... filter me out... if you can.
>
> That's the only way to get rid of me.
>
>


surely you sould ask you parents permission before you use the internet?