Pepper Cories and Botia

[Gill Passman]

This is more a curiousity post as I don't keep Pepper Cories, just
Pandas, and these don't live with my loaches. Although I do know someone
that has just gone this route.

I was just doing some googling on Pepper Cories and saw a throw away
line about not keeping these with any of the Botia species. So I'm
wondering if anyone has any comments on this or idea why it might not be
a good idea? and also whether if it is true whether it applies to all
cories and botia?

No plans to do this mix myself (at least not right now) but very curious...

Gill

[NetMax]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
.. .
> This is more a curiousity post as I don't keep Pepper Cories, just Pandas,
> and these don't live with my loaches. Although I do know someone that has
> just gone this route.
>
> I was just doing some googling on Pepper Cories and saw a throw away line
> about not keeping these with any of the Botia species. So I'm wondering if
> anyone has any comments on this or idea why it might not be a good idea?
> and also whether if it is true whether it applies to all cories and botia?
>
> No plans to do this mix myself (at least not right now) but very
> curious...
>
> Gill

I suspect that you would be putting two species in competition for the same
foods, and as the loaches are more aggressive and somewhat territorial, the
corys would be the losers in this situation.

It's funny to think of corys as carnivores, but when you think about it, in
nature you have two choices, plant life or meat, and their mouths are
designed to locate eggs & bugs just under the surface, and bugs are meat.
Intestinally, I think most carnivores can handle some veggies, so I like to
think of them as opportunistic carnivores (which approaches being an
omnivore ;~).
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Gill Passman]

NetMax wrote:
> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>This is more a curiousity post as I don't keep Pepper Cories, just Pandas,
>>and these don't live with my loaches. Although I do know someone that has
>>just gone this route.
>>
>>I was just doing some googling on Pepper Cories and saw a throw away line
>>about not keeping these with any of the Botia species. So I'm wondering if
>>anyone has any comments on this or idea why it might not be a good idea?
>>and also whether if it is true whether it applies to all cories and botia?
>>
>>No plans to do this mix myself (at least not right now) but very
>>curious...
>>
>>Gill
>
>
> I suspect that you would be putting two species in competition for the same
> foods, and as the loaches are more aggressive and somewhat territorial, the
> corys would be the losers in this situation.
>
> It's funny to think of corys as carnivores, but when you think about it, in
> nature you have two choices, plant life or meat, and their mouths are
> designed to locate eggs & bugs just under the surface, and bugs are meat.
> Intestinally, I think most carnivores can handle some veggies, so I like to
> think of them as opportunistic carnivores (which approaches being an
> omnivore ;~).


So if sufficient "meat" is fed it shouldn't get to be a problem then?

[Elaine T]

Gill Passman wrote:
> This is more a curiousity post as I don't keep Pepper Cories, just
> Pandas, and these don't live with my loaches. Although I do know someone
> that has just gone this route.
>
> I was just doing some googling on Pepper Cories and saw a throw away
> line about not keeping these with any of the Botia species. So I'm
> wondering if anyone has any comments on this or idea why it might not be
> a good idea? and also whether if it is true whether it applies to all
> cories and botia?
>
> No plans to do this mix myself (at least not right now) but very curious...
>
> Gill

I've kept C. julii and clown loaches in the same 29g tank with no
problems at all (eventually the loaches grew and moved to a larger
home). The cories tended to feed on bits of flake and other foods
during the day and the clowns got a sinking tablet at night. I also had
a friend with panda cories and kuhli loaches. The pandas even bred and
a baby survived. I don't see why pepper cories would be any different.

--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

[Gail Futoran]

"Elaine T" > wrote in message
t...
> Gill Passman wrote:
>> This is more a curiousity post as I don't keep Pepper Cories, just
>> Pandas, and these don't live with my loaches. Although I do know someone
>> that has just gone this route.
>>
>> I was just doing some googling on Pepper Cories and saw a throw away line
>> about not keeping these with any of the Botia species. So I'm wondering
>> if anyone has any comments on this or idea why it might not be a good
>> idea? and also whether if it is true whether it applies to all cories and
>> botia?
>>
>> No plans to do this mix myself (at least not right now) but very
>> curious...
>>
>> Gill
>
> I've kept C. julii and clown loaches in the same 29g tank with no problems
> at all (eventually the loaches grew and moved to a larger home). The
> cories tended to feed on bits of flake and other foods during the day and
> the clowns got a sinking tablet at night. I also had a friend with panda
> cories and kuhli loaches. The pandas even bred and a baby survived. I
> don't see why pepper cories would be any different.
>
> --
> Elaine T __
> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
> rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

I have Pepper cories and YoYo loaches in one
20G long, and Bronze (or similar) cories and
Skunk botia in another 20G long. No problems.
I wouldn't think there'd be any problem with
Kuhli loaches since they're really shy and
fairly small. I have those in a 30G long with
Cories.

Gail

[NetMax]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
.. .
> NetMax wrote:
>> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>
>>>This is more a curiousity post as I don't keep Pepper Cories, just
>>>Pandas, and these don't live with my loaches. Although I do know someone
>>>that has just gone this route.
>>>
>>>I was just doing some googling on Pepper Cories and saw a throw away line
>>>about not keeping these with any of the Botia species. So I'm wondering
>>>if anyone has any comments on this or idea why it might not be a good
>>>idea? and also whether if it is true whether it applies to all cories and
>>>botia?
>>>
>>>No plans to do this mix myself (at least not right now) but very
>>>curious...
>>>
>>>Gill
>>
>>
>> I suspect that you would be putting two species in competition for the
>> same foods, and as the loaches are more aggressive and somewhat
>> territorial, the corys would be the losers in this situation.
>>
>> It's funny to think of corys as carnivores, but when you think about it,
>> in nature you have two choices, plant life or meat, and their mouths are
>> designed to locate eggs & bugs just under the surface, and bugs are meat.
>> Intestinally, I think most carnivores can handle some veggies, so I like
>> to think of them as opportunistic carnivores (which approaches being an
>> omnivore ;~).
>
>
> So if sufficient "meat" is fed it shouldn't get to be a problem then?


Can you feed botia enough? ;~). I'd worry about territory more. In a large
enough tank, I doubt you would have any trouble, especially in shoaling
numbers, but when a botia gets it into its head that it doesn't like
someone, it sure goes to great efforts to harass them. I think your worse
case is something like a peppered cory and a redtail botia in a 10-15g.
There the odds are not in your favour.

As someone else pointed out, Kuhlis do fine with corys (and Kuhlis are not
botia). In fact I'd expect the Kuhlis to do better with corys than they do
with botia.

I've mixed botia with different fish (though not too often with corys).
They often have a mean streak, especially in small numbers. From my limited
experience, their temperaments vary, Redtails being the worst, followed by
Zebras, Yoyos and then Clowns as the mildest, so perhaps we shouldn't paint
all botia with the same brush either.
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Pammy]

What about tiger loaches? Botia stratia? Are they agressive?

[Pammy]

What about tiger loaches? Botia stratia? Are they agressive?

[§tudz]

I have 2 Bronze, 1 Julli, and 1 cory I'm not sure what it is, as I can't
remember what it said it was in the shop, and I can't seem to find any
photos on the net saying what it is.
They live with two Clown loaches, and they all get on fine, I did have a
peppered cory with them as well, but he got himself stuck inside a stupid
cave (which has been smashed and thrown away now), as the cave had a little
hole in it, and he was just a little to big to get through, (this hole was
on the inside, so I didn'tsee in time to help).

and I have not had any problems with Clowns and Corys.

§tudz

"Gail Futoran" > wrote in message
...
> "Elaine T" > wrote in message
> t...
>> Gill Passman wrote:
>>> This is more a curiousity post as I don't keep Pepper Cories, just
>>> Pandas, and these don't live with my loaches. Although I do know someone
>>> that has just gone this route.
>>>
>>> I was just doing some googling on Pepper Cories and saw a throw away
>>> line about not keeping these with any of the Botia species. So I'm
>>> wondering if anyone has any comments on this or idea why it might not be
>>> a good idea? and also whether if it is true whether it applies to all
>>> cories and botia?
>>>
>>> No plans to do this mix myself (at least not right now) but very
>>> curious...
>>>
>>> Gill
>>
>> I've kept C. julii and clown loaches in the same 29g tank with no
>> problems at all (eventually the loaches grew and moved to a larger home).
>> The cories tended to feed on bits of flake and other foods during the day
>> and the clowns got a sinking tablet at night. I also had a friend with
>> panda cories and kuhli loaches. The pandas even bred and a baby
>> survived. I don't see why pepper cories would be any different.
>>
>> --
>> Elaine T __
>> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
>> rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com
>
> I have Pepper cories and YoYo loaches in one
> 20G long, and Bronze (or similar) cories and
> Skunk botia in another 20G long. No problems.
> I wouldn't think there'd be any problem with
> Kuhli loaches since they're really shy and
> fairly small. I have those in a 30G long with
> Cories.
>
> Gail
>
>
>

[Gill Passman]

§tudz wrote:
> I have 2 Bronze, 1 Julli, and 1 cory I'm not sure what it is, as I can't
> remember what it said it was in the shop, and I can't seem to find any
> photos on the net saying what it is.
> They live with two Clown loaches, and they all get on fine, I did have a
> peppered cory with them as well, but he got himself stuck inside a stupid
> cave (which has been smashed and thrown away now), as the cave had a little
> hole in it, and he was just a little to big to get through, (this hole was
> on the inside, so I didn'tsee in time to help).
>
> and I have not had any problems with Clowns and Corys.
>
> §tudz
>
> "Gail Futoran" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"Elaine T" > wrote in message
t...
>>
>>>Gill Passman wrote:
>>>
>>>>This is more a curiousity post as I don't keep Pepper Cories, just
>>>>Pandas, and these don't live with my loaches. Although I do know someone
>>>>that has just gone this route.
>>>>
>>>>I was just doing some googling on Pepper Cories and saw a throw away
>>>>line about not keeping these with any of the Botia species. So I'm
>>>>wondering if anyone has any comments on this or idea why it might not be
>>>>a good idea? and also whether if it is true whether it applies to all
>>>>cories and botia?
>>>>
>>>>No plans to do this mix myself (at least not right now) but very
>>>>curious...
>>>>
>>>>Gill
>>>
>>>I've kept C. julii and clown loaches in the same 29g tank with no
>>>problems at all (eventually the loaches grew and moved to a larger home).
>>>The cories tended to feed on bits of flake and other foods during the day
>>>and the clowns got a sinking tablet at night. I also had a friend with
>>>panda cories and kuhli loaches. The pandas even bred and a baby
>>>survived. I don't see why pepper cories would be any different.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Elaine T __
>>>http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
>>>rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com
>>
>>I have Pepper cories and YoYo loaches in one
>>20G long, and Bronze (or similar) cories and
>>Skunk botia in another 20G long. No problems.
>>I wouldn't think there'd be any problem with
>>Kuhli loaches since they're really shy and
>>fairly small. I have those in a 30G long with
>>Cories.
>>
>>Gail
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

So it sounds like the general concensus is that there should be any
problem other than competition for food.....another example of incorrect
info on the web...

Gill

[2pods]

> So it sounds like the general concensus is that there should be any
> problem other than competition for food.....another example of incorrect
> info on the web...
>
> Gill

Well, I don't want to jinx myself, but I have 6 corys (bronze) with 6 clown
loaches and they get on OK with each other.
<touches every last bit of wood in room/>

Peter

[NetMax]

"Pammy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> What about tiger loaches? Botia stratia? Are they agressive?


Botia striata? What we call Zebra loaches here.
http://www.loaches.com/species_pages/botia_striata.html
http://species.fishindex.com/species_3662botia_striata_zebra_loach.html
I've never owned any so my experience is limited to their lives in the
store (juveniles) and they were comparable to the other loaches at that
age. A fellow store-keeper thought they were more carnivorous, and that
they were a better snailer than the other loaches of that size. Even if
true, I don't know if/how that would affect their daily disposition. I'd
expect that they would be relatively mellow in groups. I have the
impression that they grew slower than Yoyos and stayed smaller.
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