over eating manderian

[David Cheney]

Has any one ever had a mandarin eat himself to death. Mine got so fat he
could barely swim, then disappeared.

[David Cheney]

nothing but plenty of live rock.



"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
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> What did you provide for it to eat?
>
> Wayne Sallee
>
>
>
> Ray Martini wrote:
>> I've had two that wouldn't eat at all. Guess it depends on the
>> personality. I gave up on Mandarins for now.
>>
>> Sorry for your loss.
>>
>>
>> "David Cheney" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Has any one ever had a mandarin eat himself to death. Mine got so fat he
>>>could barely swim, then disappeared.
>>>
>>
>>

[Marc Levenson]

Mine was super fat when it died too. I was very sad to lose that fish.

Marc


David Cheney wrote:
> Has any one ever had a mandarin eat himself to death. Mine got so fat he
> could barely swim, then disappeared.
>
>

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[Ray Martini]

I've had two that wouldn't eat at all. Guess it depends on the personality.
I gave up on Mandarins for now.

Sorry for your loss.


"David Cheney" > wrote in message
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> Has any one ever had a mandarin eat himself to death. Mine got so fat he
> could barely swim, then disappeared.
>

[Wayne Sallee]

What did you provide for it to eat?

Wayne Sallee



Ray Martini wrote:
> I've had two that wouldn't eat at all. Guess it depends on the personality.
> I gave up on Mandarins for now.
>
> Sorry for your loss.
>
>
> "David Cheney" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Has any one ever had a mandarin eat himself to death. Mine got so fat he
>>could barely swim, then disappeared.
>>
>
>
>

[Wayne Sallee]

I was asking Ray Martin

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



David Cheney wrote:
> nothing but plenty of live rock.
>
>
>
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>
>>What did you provide for it to eat?
>>
>>Wayne Sallee

>>
>>
>>Ray Martini wrote:
>>
>>>I've had two that wouldn't eat at all. Guess it depends on the
>>>personality. I gave up on Mandarins for now.
>>>
>>>Sorry for your loss.
>>>
>>>
>>>"David Cheney" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Has any one ever had a mandarin eat himself to death. Mine got so fat he
>>>>could barely swim, then disappeared.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>

[Ray Martini]

I tried adding live food to tempt him to eat (live brine). Also tried all
the usual suspects (flake, pellets, frozen , etc ...) Plus my tank is loaded
with live copepods. Turn the tank on at night and there's millions of
creatures swimming around. Funny thing also, the second Mandarin (green)
that I brought home was eating at the LFS. I watched him eat prepared frozen
food.

I had the same problem with Lawnmower Blennies. On my third and final try I
got one that eats anything you throw at him. Have had him for about 9 months
now and he's doing great.


"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
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>I was asking Ray Martin
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
>
> David Cheney wrote:
>> nothing but plenty of live rock.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>> ink.net...
>>
>>>What did you provide for it to eat?
>>>
>>>Wayne Sallee

>>>
>>>
>>>Ray Martini wrote:
>>>
>>>>I've had two that wouldn't eat at all. Guess it depends on the
>>>>personality. I gave up on Mandarins for now.
>>>>
>>>>Sorry for your loss.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"David Cheney" > wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Has any one ever had a mandarin eat himself to death. Mine got so fat
>>>>>he could barely swim, then disappeared.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

[Wayne Sallee]

A healthy manderian will readily eat the pods, so it was
probably as good as dead when you purchased him. And yea
sometimes they will also eat frozen food, but don't count
on it, and even if you have one that eats frozen food,
best to be sure that it has plenty of live food living in
the tank as well.

It's really sad the amount of chemicals that the poor fish
get subjected too from the time they are captured to the
time you get them. Often the mentality is to use lots of
chemicals to keep them alive long enough to sell them, and
nevermind the consequences that those chemicals cause to
the internal organs.

Wayne Sallee


Ray Martini wrote:
> I tried adding live food to tempt him to eat (live brine). Also tried all
> the usual suspects (flake, pellets, frozen , etc ...) Plus my tank is loaded
> with live copepods. Turn the tank on at night and there's millions of
> creatures swimming around. Funny thing also, the second Mandarin (green)
> that I brought home was eating at the LFS. I watched him eat prepared frozen
> food.
>
> I had the same problem with Lawnmower Blennies. On my third and final try I
> got one that eats anything you throw at him. Have had him for about 9 months
> now and he's doing great.
>
>
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>
>>I was asking Ray Martin
>>
>>Wayne Sallee
>>Wayne's Pets

>>
>>
>>David Cheney wrote:
>>
>>>nothing but plenty of live rock.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>>>What did you provide for it to eat?
>>>>
>>>>Wayne Sallee

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ray Martini wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I've had two that wouldn't eat at all. Guess it depends on the
>>>>>personality. I gave up on Mandarins for now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry for your loss.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"David Cheney" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Has any one ever had a mandarin eat himself to death. Mine got so fat
>>>>>>he could barely swim, then disappeared.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>

[George Patterson]

Ray Martini wrote:
> I tried adding live food to tempt him to eat (live brine). Also tried all
> the usual suspects (flake, pellets, frozen , etc ...) Plus my tank is loaded
> with live copepods. Turn the tank on at night and there's millions of
> creatures swimming around. Funny thing also, the second Mandarin (green)
> that I brought home was eating at the LFS. I watched him eat prepared frozen
> food.
>
> I had the same problem with Lawnmower Blennies. On my third and final try I
> got one that eats anything you throw at him. Have had him for about 9 months
> now and he's doing great.

Were all these purchased from the same place? If so, change shops -- sounds like
possible cyanide poisoning to me.

My main check for this is to observe *all* of the fish on display. If several
fish that normally would be kind of placid are rushing around the tank, I don't
go back there.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Wayne Sallee]

Also ask how long they have had the fish.

I tell my customers to not buy the fish untill I've had
them for at least 7 days. After 7 days you can tell how
it's doing. The customer might not notice, but the store
owner can know after 7 days if the fish is doing well, or
is still not fully recovered from the stress of the
wholesaler, and collector. It would be nice if all stores
would be more open about this. Most pet store owners think
I'm crazy for putting date tags up, and telling customers
to give the fish at least 7 days.

Also wach to see if the fish is regainging it's weight.
Most stores don't have enough pods to fatten up a
mandrien, but the other fish like tangs(skinny when
purchased from wholesalers), should be gaining their
weight back. If they are not, then there is something
wrong. In my store I have enouph pods to keep the
mandriens alive and well, but not enough to get them
plumped up. I'm now working on setting up a tank for
rasing pods in a high enoup density to provide a suplly of
pods for customers that have manderians, but don't have
sufficient pod populatins, and for store use as well.
We'll see how well that goes :-)

The collectors, wholesalers, and many stores subject the
fish to so much chemicals, that's really hard on the fish.
I really wish the industry would change this. The
mentality is usualy "keep the fish alive long enouph to
sell it" Those cemicals are used to keep the fish alive,
and some chemicals used to cach the fish (don't count on
the collectores to admit to the use of chemicals), but
those chemicals are not good for the long term effects on
the fish.

I had to laugh when I saw a comercial on TV the other day
advertizing coper cream to rub on the skinn to get rid of
pain. LOL yea it can get rid if pain since it dammages the
nervs.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



George Patterson wrote:
> Ray Martini wrote:
>
>> I tried adding live food to tempt him to eat (live brine). Also tried
>> all the usual suspects (flake, pellets, frozen , etc ...) Plus my tank
>> is loaded with live copepods. Turn the tank on at night and there's
>> millions of creatures swimming around. Funny thing also, the second
>> Mandarin (green) that I brought home was eating at the LFS. I watched
>> him eat prepared frozen food.
>>
>> I had the same problem with Lawnmower Blennies. On my third and final
>> try I got one that eats anything you throw at him. Have had him for
>> about 9 months now and he's doing great.
>
>
> Were all these purchased from the same place? If so, change shops --
> sounds like possible cyanide poisoning to me.
>
> My main check for this is to observe *all* of the fish on display. If
> several fish that normally would be kind of placid are rushing around
> the tank, I don't go back there.
>
> George Patterson
> Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your
> neighbor.
> It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

[Thomas Bartkus]

"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
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<snip>
> The mentality is usualy "keep the fish alive long enouph to sell it"

How about - "Sell it quick before it croaks!"

I have noticed over the years that the hobbyist/store owner has all but
vanished to be replaced by people for whom it is simply a fast buck
opportunity and no feeling at all for the hobby. Where is the hobby going,
anyway?

You don't find it at retail tropical fish shops anymore.
Thomas Bartkus

[miskairal]

Thomas Bartkus wrote:
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> link.net...
> <snip>
>
>>The mentality is usualy "keep the fish alive long enouph to sell it"
>
>
> How about - "Sell it quick before it croaks!"
>
> I have noticed over the years that the hobbyist/store owner has all but
> vanished to be replaced by people for whom it is simply a fast buck
> opportunity and no feeling at all for the hobby. Where is the hobby going,
> anyway?
>
> You don't find it at retail tropical fish shops anymore.
> Thomas Bartkus
>
>
I am in the process of setting up and the nearest shop that sells marine
fish/equipment is 2 1/2 hour's drive away. Luckily for me the guy who
owns it sounds like Wayne as one of his shop assistants shyly said to me
as if it was abnormal "oh Greg keeps the fish here at least a week or
more to make sure they are eating and healthy". I'll give him a plug,
his shop is called the Fish Cave and it's at Maroochydore in Queensland,
Australia.

I wonder if there are many more out there?

[Wayne Sallee]

There are a few, but not very many. There are some stores
that even have quarinteen rooms for keeping the fish
before bringing them out to the sales floor. That's even
better way of doing it, but it reqires more square
footage, and more cost.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



miskairal wrote:
> Thomas Bartkus wrote:
>
>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>> link.net...
>> <snip>
>>
>>> The mentality is usualy "keep the fish alive long enouph to sell it"
>>
>>
>>
>> How about - "Sell it quick before it croaks!"
>>
>> I have noticed over the years that the hobbyist/store owner has all but
>> vanished to be replaced by people for whom it is simply a fast buck
>> opportunity and no feeling at all for the hobby. Where is the hobby
>> going,
>> anyway?
>>
>> You don't find it at retail tropical fish shops anymore.
>> Thomas Bartkus
>>
>>
> I am in the process of setting up and the nearest shop that sells marine
> fish/equipment is 2 1/2 hour's drive away. Luckily for me the guy who
> owns it sounds like Wayne as one of his shop assistants shyly said to me
> as if it was abnormal "oh Greg keeps the fish here at least a week or
> more to make sure they are eating and healthy". I'll give him a plug,
> his shop is called the Fish Cave and it's at Maroochydore in Queensland,
> Australia.
>
> I wonder if there are many more out there?

[George Patterson]

miskairal wrote:

> I wonder if there are many more out there?

I think so. The LFS where I shop is only about 45 minutes away, but there are
lots of ones closer to me. I choose to make the drive for a variety of reasons.
My store puts the purchase date for each fish on the tank. I have never seen any
sign of drugs in the fish. And there's a guarantee on livestock.

There's another LFS down the street and I buy dry goods there ('cause it's
closer). The livestock appears to be in good shape and I would hesitate to buy
from them if something comes in that I want. Turns out that the owner used to
work at the store that's 45 minutes away. Guess he picked up some good habits.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.