Does anyone have experience with the following hardware?

[Timcat]

For a 90 gallon tank, I am considering the following skimmers: Berlin Turbo
Classic, Turboflotor 1000 multi, Precision Marine Bullet 1 or 2, and the
ETSS Super Reef Devil. Are any of these inherently better in terms of "ease
of use", durability, etc...of is there a better choice I've overlooked?

For lighting, I am considering either the Coralife Lunar Aqualife Plus (48",
96W PC * 4), or the Orbit Power Compact (same specs). I'm not looking at MH.

I am considering the Aqua Twist UV, 25W with wiper.

I've noticed pump ratings are all over the board. I am looking at roughly a
900 gph rating (at for me, a 6' lift) right? This tank will have a sump.

I hope someone has some experiences with these brands/models to offer some
opinions.

Thanks,
Tim

[Billy]

"Timcat" > wrote in message
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> I am considering the Aqua Twist UV, 25W with wiper.
>


I am not a fan of UV. I feel it's much like carbon; useful for some
things, but pointless to use all the time.

b

[Timcat]

My internet is to have it plumbed in and turned off until it is needed for
one reason or another. From what I have read, it seems the general consensus
agrees with you. Do you feel it is also not needed for "emergencies"?

Tim

"Billy" > wrote in message
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> "Timcat" > wrote in message
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>> I am considering the Aqua Twist UV, 25W with wiper.
>>
>
>
> I am not a fan of UV. I feel it's much like carbon; useful for some
> things, but pointless to use all the time.
>
> b
>

[Wayne Sallee]

Yep, I don't care for UV filters either. Most reefers are
of this oppinion.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Billy wrote:
> "Timcat" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>I am considering the Aqua Twist UV, 25W with wiper.
>>
>
>
>
> I am not a fan of UV. I feel it's much like carbon; useful for some
> things, but pointless to use all the time.
>
> b
>
>

[Wayne Sallee]

Timcat wrote:
> Do you feel it is also not needed for "emergencies"?

I would not even use one for emergancies.

Wayne Sallee

[Timcat]

What about ozone? I get the impression most reefers don't really care for
it, either.

Tim

"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
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> Timcat wrote:
>> Do you feel it is also not needed for "emergencies"?
>
> I would not even use one for emergancies.
>
> Wayne Sallee
>

[Wayne Sallee]

Most don't, some do.

It can react harmfully with (element, forget, too lazy to
look it up), and so the salt manufactures actualy leave
that element out.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Timcat wrote:
> What about ozone? I get the impression most reefers don't really care for
> it, either.
>
> Tim
>
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
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>
>>Timcat wrote:
>>
>>>Do you feel it is also not needed for "emergencies"?
>>
>>I would not even use one for emergancies.
>>
>>Wayne Sallee

>
>
>

[Thomas Bartkus]

"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
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> Most don't, some do.
>
> It can react harmfully with (element, forget, too lazy to
> look it up), and so the salt manufactures actualy leave
> that element out.
>
Ozone is known to liberate free Iodine and Bromine from their respective
salts.
One test for the presence of ozone is to bubble the suspected ozone
containing
air through a potassium iodide solution to see if it displaces free iodine
from the salt.

I would think that charecteristic harmful for a reef tank.
Who leaves iodine and bromine out of their sea salt formulations?

Not one I'm using - I hope!
Thomas Bartkus

[Wayne Sallee]

Yea it's Bromine. Salt Manufactures keep this element much
lower than sea water. But even without bromine, it will
still bleach other things like iodine, and clorine.

Carbon is used to remove the ozone, but I'm not sure what
happens to the bromine, iodine, clorine. I guess the
carbon removes them as well?

Wayne Sallee


Thomas Bartkus wrote:
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> link.net...
>
>>Most don't, some do.
>>
>>It can react harmfully with (element, forget, too lazy to
>>look it up), and so the salt manufactures actualy leave
>>that element out.
>>
>
> Ozone is known to liberate free Iodine and Bromine from their respective
> salts.
> One test for the presence of ozone is to bubble the suspected ozone
> containing
> air through a potassium iodide solution to see if it displaces free iodine
> from the salt.
>
> I would think that charecteristic harmful for a reef tank.
> Who leaves iodine and bromine out of their sea salt formulations?
>
> Not one I'm using - I hope!
> Thomas Bartkus
>
>

[Thomas Bartkus]

"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
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> Yea it's Bromine. Salt Manufactures keep this element much
> lower than sea water. But even without bromine, it will
> still bleach other things like iodine, and clorine.
>
> Carbon is used to remove the ozone, but I'm not sure what
> happens to the bromine, iodine, clorine. I guess the
> carbon removes them as well?

At the risk of sounding picky, I would suspect that rather than removing the
ozone itself, the carbon removes all the oxidized organic nasties the ozone
is creating. This is, I suppose, better than living with a water column full
of unoxidized organic waste.

As far as Iodine goes, I would expect an Ozone/activated carbon system to be
an Iodine free system. I'm not sure we want that!

Who still uses ozone?
Thomas Bartkus

[Timcat]

Fine by me...that's less money getting this tank set up is going to cost me.

Regards,
Tim

"Thomas Bartkus" > wrote in message
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> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> link.net...
>> Yea it's Bromine. Salt Manufactures keep this element much
>> lower than sea water. But even without bromine, it will
>> still bleach other things like iodine, and clorine.
>>
>> Carbon is used to remove the ozone, but I'm not sure what
>> happens to the bromine, iodine, clorine. I guess the
>> carbon removes them as well?
>
> At the risk of sounding picky, I would suspect that rather than removing
> the
> ozone itself, the carbon removes all the oxidized organic nasties the
> ozone
> is creating. This is, I suppose, better than living with a water column
> full
> of unoxidized organic waste.
>
> As far as Iodine goes, I would expect an Ozone/activated carbon system to
> be
> an Iodine free system. I'm not sure we want that!
>
> Who still uses ozone?
> Thomas Bartkus
>
>

[Marc Levenson]

Hi Tim,

The skimmers I recommend are Euro-Reef, ASM, and Aqua C. The ones you
listed just don't have enough of a following. I'm not saying they are
bad, but I am saying they aren't good enough. The protein skimmer is a
pretty important piece of equipment, so I opt to get the best (yet
affordable) one out there. If it is too much for your budget, try
buying one used. As long as it isn't cracked or broken, there is
nothing wrong with a used one. Wash it out with vinegar and water after
a good soaking, and it will look like new. The only part that can go
bad on a skimmer typically is the pump, and these can be repaired or
replaced.

PC lighting is fine. I used it for about 3 years over my 29g and had
very good results. You can see them on my site.

I don't run UV, and probably never will.

I saw you discussing ozone as well. I've yet to use it, but I've heard
those keeping SPS often use it and are pleased with the results.

Marc


Timcat wrote:
> For a 90 gallon tank, I am considering the following skimmers: Berlin Turbo
> Classic, Turboflotor 1000 multi, Precision Marine Bullet 1 or 2, and the
> ETSS Super Reef Devil. Are any of these inherently better in terms of "ease
> of use", durability, etc...of is there a better choice I've overlooked?
>
> For lighting, I am considering either the Coralife Lunar Aqualife Plus (48",
> 96W PC * 4), or the Orbit Power Compact (same specs). I'm not looking at MH.
>
> I am considering the Aqua Twist UV, 25W with wiper.
>
> I've noticed pump ratings are all over the board. I am looking at roughly a
> 900 gph rating (at for me, a 6' lift) right? This tank will have a sump.
>
> I hope someone has some experiences with these brands/models to offer some
> opinions.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
>

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[Reptoreef]

UV... is something I'ld use only in cases of fish infections(ich,
etc). I am an SPS freak as are a couple of my buddies using
Ozone(their systems seem to benefit from it). I do not use it yet,
but may do so in the future. As for skimmers, as Marc wrote, the
needlewheel pumps are awesome(EuroReef, ASM, and even Berlin w/an
upgraded pump like the OceanRunner)... I use an ASM and totally dig
my results(just not the toxic smelling mud that I get in the
collection cup... it's good, I know, but that stuff really reeks!!!).
PC lighting is great... if you get a more light demanding species, you
can always set it higher on you LR.
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[Timcat]

OK...Thanks, Marc. I have no intention of skimping on something like a
skimmer, but I do want to be sure to get a good one for the money they cost.

Tim

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
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> Hi Tim,
>
> The skimmers I recommend are Euro-Reef, ASM, and Aqua C. The ones you
> listed just don't have enough of a following. I'm not saying they are
> bad, but I am saying they aren't good enough. The protein skimmer is a
> pretty important piece of equipment, so I opt to get the best (yet
> affordable) one out there. If it is too much for your budget, try buying
> one used. As long as it isn't cracked or broken, there is nothing wrong
> with a used one. Wash it out with vinegar and water after a good soaking,
> and it will look like new. The only part that can go bad on a skimmer
> typically is the pump, and these can be repaired or replaced.
>
> PC lighting is fine. I used it for about 3 years over my 29g and had very
> good results. You can see them on my site.
>
> I don't run UV, and probably never will.
>
> I saw you discussing ozone as well. I've yet to use it, but I've heard
> those keeping SPS often use it and are pleased with the results.
>
> Marc
>
>
> Timcat wrote:
>> For a 90 gallon tank, I am considering the following skimmers: Berlin
>> Turbo Classic, Turboflotor 1000 multi, Precision Marine Bullet 1 or 2,
>> and the ETSS Super Reef Devil. Are any of these inherently better in
>> terms of "ease of use", durability, etc...of is there a better choice
>> I've overlooked?
>>
>> For lighting, I am considering either the Coralife Lunar Aqualife Plus
>> (48", 96W PC * 4), or the Orbit Power Compact (same specs). I'm not
>> looking at MH.
>>
>> I am considering the Aqua Twist UV, 25W with wiper.
>>
>> I've noticed pump ratings are all over the board. I am looking at roughly
>> a 900 gph rating (at for me, a 6' lift) right? This tank will have a
>> sump.
>>
>> I hope someone has some experiences with these brands/models to offer
>> some opinions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
>
> --
> Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com

[Timcat]

Thank you. You and Marc gave me what I needed.

Tim

"Reptoreef" > wrote in message
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> UV... is something I'ld use only in cases of fish infections(ich,
> etc). I am an SPS freak as are a couple of my buddies using
> Ozone(their systems seem to benefit from it). I do not use it yet,
> but may do so in the future. As for skimmers, as Marc wrote, the
> needlewheel pumps are awesome(EuroReef, ASM, and even Berlin w/an
> upgraded pump like the OceanRunner)... I use an ASM and totally dig
> my results(just not the toxic smelling mud that I get in the
> collection cup... it's good, I know, but that stuff really reeks!!!).
> PC lighting is great... if you get a more light demanding species, you
> can always set it higher on you LR.
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[Reptoreef]

Take a look @ www.asmskimmer.com ... they'll treat ya well.
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[Timcat]

Great...Thanks a bunch! It's nice to see a recommended skimmer isn't really
any more expensive than those I mentioned, which is usually the case.

Thanks Folks!
Tim

"Reptoreef" > wrote in message
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> Take a look @ www.asmskimmer.com ... they'll treat ya well.
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