tank goldfish gone blind ?!

[exxos]

Hi all,

myself and my father have kept goldfish in our pond outside for years, while
we have had a fair share of problems of pond fish live a long life.

A few weeks ago my girlfriend got a tank and got 5 small goldfish for it,
they seemed really happy the first week but now something is wrong. 2 of the
gold fish have developed black all alone thier tails, I read this could be
due to "the move" so letting that drift for now, though the main problem is
3 of them look like they are bruised on head and gills, While I have seen
out pond fish with a lot of gill fungas etc this one is new and not seen it
before. It appears the fish are blind, normally fish dive for cover when you
go near them, or take the tank lip off to feed them... this tank fish did
just that the first week and eat the food right away..

now a few days ago they started getting bruised, they are swimming really
slow and seem to be getting stuck in the plants and can't seem to get out,
they seem to be bumping into everything and they are finding the air bubbles
hardwork..... our pond fish love to play in the bubbles it seems so used to
watching them "play" but these tank fish don't act the same, the water from
the pump pushes them and they seem to panic... when the tank was first setup
3 of them would swim towards the pump and let it push them back, they did
this rather a lot, nothing wrong with that, but now even a slight push of
water from the pump seems to tip them over or they panic...

When you take the lip off the tank to feed them they do not seem to know you
are there, they dont even twitch. I put some food in today and it just
floated past them and they didn't even seem to notice it was there, the
first week we had the fish they were at the top sucking in the food like
there was no tomorrow, now they didn't touch 1 single flake...

With the way they are acting I can only assume they have all gone blind, but
why ?? there is nothing on the fish out of the normal but these bruises.
The fish are only small , about 2" long, they are not old fish, the tank is
only just over 2 weeks old.... ive seen a lot of fish problems but totally
baffled by this one, anyone got any ideas ?

Thanks,
Chris

[Daniel Morrow]

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"exxos" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> myself and my father have kept goldfish in our pond outside for years,
while
> we have had a fair share of problems of pond fish live a long life.
>
> A few weeks ago my girlfriend got a tank and got 5 small goldfish for it,
> they seemed really happy the first week but now something is wrong. 2 of
the
> gold fish have developed black all alone thier tails, I read this could be
> due to "the move" so letting that drift for now, though the main problem
is
> 3 of them look like they are bruised on head and gills, While I have seen
> out pond fish with a lot of gill fungas etc this one is new and not seen
it
> before. It appears the fish are blind, normally fish dive for cover when
you
> go near them, or take the tank lip off to feed them... this tank fish did
> just that the first week and eat the food right away..
>
> now a few days ago they started getting bruised, they are swimming really
> slow and seem to be getting stuck in the plants and can't seem to get out,
> they seem to be bumping into everything and they are finding the air
bubbles
> hardwork..... our pond fish love to play in the bubbles it seems so used
to
> watching them "play" but these tank fish don't act the same, the water
from
> the pump pushes them and they seem to panic... when the tank was first
setup
> 3 of them would swim towards the pump and let it push them back, they did
> this rather a lot, nothing wrong with that, but now even a slight push of
> water from the pump seems to tip them over or they panic...
>
> When you take the lip off the tank to feed them they do not seem to know
you
> are there, they dont even twitch. I put some food in today and it just
> floated past them and they didn't even seem to notice it was there, the
> first week we had the fish they were at the top sucking in the food like
> there was no tomorrow, now they didn't touch 1 single flake...
>
> With the way they are acting I can only assume they have all gone blind,
but
> why ?? there is nothing on the fish out of the normal but these bruises.
> The fish are only small , about 2" long, they are not old fish, the tank
is
> only just over 2 weeks old.... ive seen a lot of fish problems but totally
> baffled by this one, anyone got any ideas ?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>

My best educated guess is that your fish are suffering from ammonia burn.
You need to safely cycle the tank, do searches on the net for it, if you
don't have enough computer power to search for the information with google
(try searching google groups including all of usenet also search the web
too) try using a library computer or a friend's computer. I don't know how
to heal your fish whatever the problem is (I haven't seen anything like this
except for a big black tetra at the local pizza parlor missing an eye that
supposedly was eaten by a red tailed shark) except for you to do a lot of
large frequent water changes to lower the ammonia and nitrites, do as much
as reasonable, it is possible to change too much water. Also - it is common
to overstock too small tanks with goldfish and unfortunately it is just as
common to have major problems because of it both directly and indirectly.
Other than that I am at a loss of what to say, good luck and later!

[exxos]

>
> My best educated guess is that your fish are suffering from ammonia burn.
> You need to safely cycle the tank, do searches on the net for it, if you
> don't have enough computer power to search for the information with google
> (try searching google groups including all of usenet also search the web
> too) try using a library computer or a friend's computer. I don't know how
> to heal your fish whatever the problem is (I haven't seen anything like
> this
> except for a big black tetra at the local pizza parlor missing an eye that
> supposedly was eaten by a red tailed shark) except for you to do a lot of
> large frequent water changes to lower the ammonia and nitrites, do as much
> as reasonable, it is possible to change too much water. Also - it is
> common
> to overstock too small tanks with goldfish and unfortunately it is just as
> common to have major problems because of it both directly and indirectly.
> Other than that I am at a loss of what to say, good luck and later!
>
>


thanks for your reply, hopefully will change half the water latter today or
tomorrow, I here its supposed to be changed 2-3weeks so its due anyway
now.... thier actual eyes look fine, just black how they should be, nothing
visiable but the brusis. I will google on that subject, its a start, thanks!

Chris

[PokoFish]

For the black along the tails, I would say this is fin rot. I bought a
small goldfish and within a week of having him his tail got black along
the edges. I treated him with a medicine that treats fin rot, and it
went away fairly quickly.

I don't know what to say about the other fish though... It could be
because the tank didn't have time to sit before putting the fish in, or
it could be a number or other reasons.

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black along the edges is ammonia burn. fresh water and a bit of salt cure this no
need to add anything else. Ingrid

>For the black along the tails, I would say this is fin rot. I bought a
>small goldfish and within a week of having him his tail got black along
>the edges. I treated him with a medicine that treats fin rot, and it
>went away fairly quickly.
>
>I don't know what to say about the other fish though... It could be
>because the tank didn't have time to sit before putting the fish in, or
>it could be a number or other reasons.



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[exxos]

> wrote in message
...
> black along the edges is ammonia burn. fresh water and a bit of salt cure
> this no
> need to add anything else. Ingrid
>
>>For the black along the tails, I would say this is fin rot. I bought a
>>small goldfish and within a week of having him his tail got black along
>>the edges. I treated him with a medicine that treats fin rot, and it
>>went away fairly quickly.
>>
>>I don't know what to say about the other fish though... It could be
>>because the tank didn't have time to sit before putting the fish in, or
>>it could be a number or other reasons.
>


Its got rather a lot worse over the last few days, the the tank has been
totally cleaned out now, a teaspoon of salt added in... they seem to be a
bit hyper at the moment, though they are eating again now.... thier tails
look rather black now, 2 of the fish almost have a black head. poor fishes
:-( Will change half the water again in a couple more days.... I can take
images if anyone can work out whats wrong with them from that ? am hoping
they get better soon....

cheers

Chris

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Check water parameters including ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, pH and temperature.
you need especially right now check for ammonia and keep it barely detectable.

"exxos" > wrote:
>Its got rather a lot worse over the last few days, the the tank has been
>totally cleaned out now, a teaspoon of salt added in... they seem to be a
>bit hyper at the moment, though they are eating again now.... thier tails
>look rather black now, 2 of the fish almost have a black head. poor fishes
>:-( Will change half the water again in a couple more days.... I can take
>images if anyone can work out whats wrong with them from that ? am hoping
>they get better soon....
>
>cheers
>
>Chris
>
>



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[exxos]

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attempted to take some pics of the worst fish, no good trying to take a
image cos they dont stay still long enough, so had to use the movie mode, so
not to great, but at least you can see what im on about!

better fillter added today, water changed fully lasy wednesday, changed
about half today... hoping to see some improvement......

chris

[Daniel Morrow]

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"exxos" > wrote in message
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> http://www.aqtq39.dsl.pipex.com/temp2/Image3.jpg
>
> http://www.aqtq39.dsl.pipex.com/temp2/Image2.jpg
>
> http://www.aqtq39.dsl.pipex.com/temp2/Image4.jpg
>
> attempted to take some pics of the worst fish, no good trying to take a
> image cos they dont stay still long enough, so had to use the movie mode,
so
> not to great, but at least you can see what im on about!
>
> better fillter added today, water changed fully lasy wednesday, changed
> about half today... hoping to see some improvement......
>
> chris
>
>

Are you sure your fish just aren't changing color? Goldfish do that from
time to time, I don't know if they turn from gold to black ever though. I
can't really help though as I don't know what to say, good luck and later!