ok ok, how bout making a pond

[Rebel]

hey, ok its me again, ok so i see that making an
aquarium might cost a lot
so how about making a pond, for an apartment
2 story apartment, meaning putting it outside, in
the cold. well it doesn't really get cold, but sometimes.
so how would i make a simple pond which will be good enough
for the koi. The width of the outside of the apartment might be 2-3
feet. Can you people help?
Thank you for your time

[NetMax]

"Rebel" > wrote in message
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> hey, ok its me again, ok so i see that making an
> aquarium might cost a lot
> so how about making a pond, for an apartment
> 2 story apartment, meaning putting it outside, in
> the cold. well it doesn't really get cold, but sometimes.
> so how would i make a simple pond which will be good enough
> for the koi. The width of the outside of the apartment might be 2-3
> feet. Can you people help?
> Thank you for your time


Go to a pond supplier (or ask to see the pond inserts available from Hagen
when at a pet shop). Then you can built a cosmetic wrapper around the
insert. I made one and documented it on my web site, called Tiffany's pond.
It was quite simple, and it would be easy to build up the sides with rocks
and plants (or styrofoam boulders and silk/plastic plants). I hope your
apartment is on the ground floor ;~), otherwise you will need (I think)
permission and perhaps a structural approval (each US gallon is 8.25lbs or
10lbs when including gravel, rocks etc), so you're looking at around 3 tons
or more.
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[Elaine T]

NetMax wrote:
> "Rebel" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>>hey, ok its me again, ok so i see that making an
>>aquarium might cost a lot
>>so how about making a pond, for an apartment
>>2 story apartment, meaning putting it outside, in
>>the cold. well it doesn't really get cold, but sometimes.
>>so how would i make a simple pond which will be good enough
>>for the koi. The width of the outside of the apartment might be 2-3
>>feet. Can you people help?
>>Thank you for your time
>
>
>
> Go to a pond supplier (or ask to see the pond inserts available from Hagen
> when at a pet shop). Then you can built a cosmetic wrapper around the
> insert. I made one and documented it on my web site, called Tiffany's pond.
> It was quite simple, and it would be easy to build up the sides with rocks
> and plants (or styrofoam boulders and silk/plastic plants). I hope your
> apartment is on the ground floor ;~), otherwise you will need (I think)
> permission and perhaps a structural approval (each US gallon is 8.25lbs or
> 10lbs when including gravel, rocks etc), so you're looking at around 3 tons
> or more.

How cold is cold? Does a pot of water sitting outside ever freeze
solid? If so, you need to dig at least part of the pond into the ground
below the frost line so your koi can survive the winter.

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[Alpha]

"Rebel" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> hey, ok its me again, ok so i see that making an
> aquarium might cost a lot
> so how about making a pond, for an apartment
> 2 story apartment, meaning putting it outside, in
> the cold. well it doesn't really get cold, but sometimes.
> so how would i make a simple pond which will be good enough
> for the koi. The width of the outside of the apartment might be 2-3
> feet. Can you people help?
> Thank you for your time
>

Your apartment complex will never, ever, ever agree to your pond.

If you make any mistakes, not only will you be evicted, you are likely pay
for damage plus liability! Renter's insurance is not sufficient to cover
this.

Restrictions on waterbeds are air-tight (NONE), and they are less of a
problem than the weight of a koi pond...

Even having fish tanks in this state requires special insurance for damage,
and apartments usually limit to 20-55 gallons ... one tank max. in many
apartments.

[Alpha]

"Rebel" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> hey, ok its me again, ok so i see that making an
> aquarium might cost a lot
> so how about making a pond, for an apartment
> 2 story apartment, meaning putting it outside, in
> the cold. well it doesn't really get cold, but sometimes.
> so how would i make a simple pond which will be good enough
> for the koi. The width of the outside of the apartment might be 2-3
> feet. Can you people help?
> Thank you for your time
>
PS

The width of your area is 2 feet outside? Don't you think that your request
is ludicrous? Are you a troll?

[Beano]

I was pretty sure that a pond cost more to maintain than a tank...

[NetMax]

"Beano" > wrote in message
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>I was pretty sure that a pond cost more to maintain than a tank...


It really depends on the circumstances and how you calculate it.

The cost per gallon per fishload for feeding a pond can be less, as
nature provides insects, larvae, worms and whatever else falls in.
However many ponders will at least feed very early and late in the
season, and it's usually large amounts of food ($$).

The cost per gallon for heating a pond can be zero in areas where no
heating is necessary. However in areas where the water will freeze, a
lot of money is spent on heaters to maintain a liquid hole for oxygen to
get down to the fish, generally more than it would cost to heat an
average aquarium all year.

Natural ponds don't even have filtration or electricity. However where
filtration is used, it's typically x0.5 to x1 volumes per hour, instead
of the x2 to x5 circulation rate used by aquariums, so the maintenance &
capital costs per gallon are lower in a pond. A 500g pond would use
about the same amount of electricity for filtering, as a 100g aquarium
(though it all depends on fishload too). Large filtration systems also
use more generic DIY equipment (Rubbermaid filters and pool pumps ;~), so
the cost per gallon is again reduced.

Ponds are larger, so even with a lower cost per gallon in some cases,
they can quickly become money pits, however economy of scale starts
kicking in. The sun's UV becomes your chlorine dechlorinator across the
large surface, the biomass bottom becomes more biological filtration, the
underground portion of the pond gets naturally heated and ponders quickly
learn to buy in bulk, and with no-name products (like a tray of Arm &
Hammer baking soda instead of pH stabilizers), and they can prepare and
freeze their own fish foods.

Also some things are not really comparable such as treating a pond with
antibiotics, which can easily cost $500 per treatment (and typically
requires 3 treatments), even with bulk purchases through vets or fish
farms.

Safe to say that when ponds cost more than aquariums, they can cost a LOT
more than aquariums ;~).
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