Emergency Koi Problem

[Carl Beyer]

I sure hope this group is still alive......

My 500 gallon pond is near a sprinkling control for the house. Last
night, around 4 or 5 AM it burst, and ran city water into the pond for
about 3 hours at least.

We caught it, but my mosquito fish are all dead. The big Koi and
Chubunkin fish have been "breathing hard" since. I immediatly turned on
a water fall to aerate. But 4 hours afterward and I still have heavy
breathing fish.

I took a sample of water to the LFS and it tested fine, but I was told
to apply some water conditioner.

The LFS owner thinks I may have clorine poisoning, and that it is just
inevitable that the fish will all die within a few days...

From the line break to the pond is about 1 foot, over dirt that does not
get any poisons or fertilizer so I am pessimistic this is an issue. I
am a bit surprised about the Clorine, although it is raining in LA, as
the water was gushing out of a pipe and hitting oxygen before the pond...

Anyone have any suggestions? Hate to loose the kids this way...

Carl

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"Carl Beyer" > wrote in message
...
> I sure hope this group is still alive......
>
> My 500 gallon pond is near a sprinkling control for the house.
Last
> night, around 4 or 5 AM it burst, and ran city water into the pond
for
> about 3 hours at least.
>
> We caught it, but my mosquito fish are all dead. The big Koi and
> Chubunkin fish have been "breathing hard" since. I immediatly
turned on
> a water fall to aerate. But 4 hours afterward and I still have
heavy
> breathing fish.
>
> I took a sample of water to the LFS and it tested fine, but I was
told
> to apply some water conditioner.
>
> The LFS owner thinks I may have clorine poisoning, and that it is
just
> inevitable that the fish will all die within a few days...
>
> From the line break to the pond is about 1 foot, over dirt that
does not
> get any poisons or fertilizer so I am pessimistic this is an issue.
I
> am a bit surprised about the Clorine, although it is raining in LA,
as
> the water was gushing out of a pipe and hitting oxygen before the
pond...
>
> Anyone have any suggestions? Hate to loose the kids this way...
>
> Carl
>
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Apply the water conditioner (pond dechlorinator plus whatever extras
are standard for ponds) and hope for the best. I can tell you right
now that I am pretty sure mosquito fish can handle a significant
amount of chlorine (mosquito fish are the first successful fish I
have ever had) so if that killed them I don't hold out a ton of hope
for the koi. Sorry - I hope the conditioner works for you, good luck and
later!
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[San Diego Joe]

"Carl Beyer" wrote:

> I sure hope this group is still alive......
>
> My 500 gallon pond is near a sprinkling control for the house. Last
> night, around 4 or 5 AM it burst, and ran city water into the pond for
> about 3 hours at least.
>
> We caught it, but my mosquito fish are all dead. The big Koi and
> Chubunkin fish have been "breathing hard" since. I immediatly turned on
> a water fall to aerate. But 4 hours afterward and I still have heavy
> breathing fish.
>
> I took a sample of water to the LFS and it tested fine, but I was told
> to apply some water conditioner.
>
> The LFS owner thinks I may have clorine poisoning, and that it is just
> inevitable that the fish will all die within a few days...
>
> From the line break to the pond is about 1 foot, over dirt that does not
> get any poisons or fertilizer so I am pessimistic this is an issue. I
> am a bit surprised about the Clorine, although it is raining in LA, as
> the water was gushing out of a pipe and hitting oxygen before the pond...
>
> Anyone have any suggestions? Hate to loose the kids this way...
>
> Carl
Go to the nearest pond or fish store and buy some dechlorinator. Right now.
It is not inevitable that they die. Go, now. Hurry!


San Diego Joe
4,000 - 5,000 Gallons.
Koi, Goldfish, and RES named Colombo.

[Koi-lo]

"Carl Beyer" > wrote in message
...
>I sure hope this group is still alive......

# Yes, there are a few non-trolls still here.

> My 500 gallon pond is near a sprinkling control for the house. Last
> night, around 4 or 5 AM it burst, and ran city water into the pond for
> about 3 hours at least.

# That's not good. The chlorine is very harmful to gill filaments.

> We caught it, but my mosquito fish are all dead. The big Koi and
> Chubunkin fish have been "breathing hard" since. I immediatly turned on
> a water fall to aerate. But 4 hours afterward and I still have heavy
> breathing fish.

# USE A DECHLORINATOR!!!!!

> I took a sample of water to the LFS and it tested fine, but I was told
> to apply some water conditioner.
>
> The LFS owner thinks I may have clorine poisoning, and that it is just
> inevitable that the fish will all die within a few days...

# Plenty or aeration and a dechlorinator may save them. Give it all a try.

> From the line break to the pond is about 1 foot, over dirt that does not
> get any poisons or fertilizer so I am pessimistic this is an issue. I
> am a bit surprised about the Clorine, although it is raining in LA, as
> the water was gushing out of a pipe and hitting oxygen before the pond...
>
> Anyone have any suggestions? Hate to loose the kids this way...

# There isn't much you can do besides aerate and use a dechlorinator. Some
may recover. Good luck!

Reel McKoi.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Pantera]

Your like a freaking parrot, having to repeat everyting that has
already been posted..........On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:28:20 -0600,
"Koi-lo" > wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"Carl Beyer" > wrote in message
...
>===<>>I sure hope this group is still alive......
>===<>
>===<># Yes, there are a few non-trolls still here.
>===<>
>===<>> My 500 gallon pond is near a sprinkling control for the house. Last
>===<>> night, around 4 or 5 AM it burst, and ran city water into the pond for
>===<>> about 3 hours at least.
>===<>
>===<># That's not good. The chlorine is very harmful to gill filaments.
>===<>
>===<>> We caught it, but my mosquito fish are all dead. The big Koi and
>===<>> Chubunkin fish have been "breathing hard" since. I immediatly turned on
>===<>> a water fall to aerate. But 4 hours afterward and I still have heavy
>===<>> breathing fish.
>===<>
>===<># USE A DECHLORINATOR!!!!!
>===<>
>===<>> I took a sample of water to the LFS and it tested fine, but I was told
>===<>> to apply some water conditioner.
>===<>>
>===<>> The LFS owner thinks I may have clorine poisoning, and that it is just
>===<>> inevitable that the fish will all die within a few days...
>===<>
>===<># Plenty or aeration and a dechlorinator may save them. Give it all a try.
>===<>
>===<>> From the line break to the pond is about 1 foot, over dirt that does not
>===<>> get any poisons or fertilizer so I am pessimistic this is an issue. I
>===<>> am a bit surprised about the Clorine, although it is raining in LA, as
>===<>> the water was gushing out of a pipe and hitting oxygen before the pond...
>===<>>
>===<>> Anyone have any suggestions? Hate to loose the kids this way...
>===<>
>===<># There isn't much you can do besides aerate and use a dechlorinator. Some
>===<>may recover. Good luck!
>===<>
>===<>Reel McKoi.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>===<>My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>===<>http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
>===<>~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>


==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder"
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[ReelMcKoi]

Koi-lo wrote:
> "Carl Beyer" > wrote in message
> ...
> >I sure hope this group is still alive......
>
> # Yes, there are a few non-trolls still here.
>
>

Koi-lo is a troll known as Carol



Carolyn Adamo Gulley
Maiden name Witkowski born 1944
Current "husband":
Randy R. born 1946
3245 North Lamar Road Mount Juliet TN 37122-7806
Phone 615-459-9345

has been caught in various vicious lies!
Before plaguing ARJW with her nonsense, she use to plague the Health NG
do a google search on Yarrow / windsong / Carol for more details.

http://tinyurl.com/daw64
http://tinyurl.com/af4r9
http://tinyurl.com/7v5ly
When she is best by a man she accuse him of stalking

http://tinyurl.com/8wryt

She engages people in senseless debates about absolutely nothing.
Her intent on ARJW is to slander JW's

Before you reply, you may want to ask her a few things or only one.
_Where does she get her information?
_Can her information be verified?
_Is the information up to date?
_What is the purpose of her post? To present reliable facts about JW's
or sling mud on a religious organization in good standing in almost
every country in the world?

Ask her for evidence of her claims before proceeding with your
conversation with her, if not you may be end up wasting your time and
bandwidth on discussing subjects based on fraudulent and fabricated
information. This is how she manipulates clueless bystanders in
participating with her distributing false information elsewhere?

Facts about Carol:

*She can never present evidence.
*She never reveals the source of her info (because there is none). Her
common reply, is: "everybody already knows". If everybody knew, why
bring it up?
*She always hides her identity. And change her header to avoid
killfiles. A TOS offense
*She cuts and paste, rewrite postings, and will even forge e-mail
addresses
;which her ISP allows her to do. Just ask them:



If your newsgroups has been victim of Carol's MCP and ECP that is off
topic you can report her. Her account is dpc6682112001.direcpc.com and
you may report her by calling 1-800-DirecPC, by emailing us at
, or by writing to:

DirecPC
Customer Care Center
11717 Exploration Lane
Germantown, MD 20876 USA

Her use of remailers can still be traced to her account.No American ISP
like to be
associated with Hate Speech no matter if Hate speech is protected
under the First. It affects their commercial interest.
Then you can contact your own ISP and have them add them to their
block List Direcpc.com

Why does Carol behave as she does?


Carolyn Adamo Gulley of Davidson County Tn. Is a life long
underachiever. She did not finish High school in NYC, and lived as a
biker gangsters in the 60's and 70's. She claims on her website that
she has 2 failed
marriages and blames God for her poor choices. It is alleged that she
lost custody of her only son due to substance abuse, (never been
proven however). Dumped in TN by her Second husband, Quote-quote, with
no place to go.


She also has failed attempts at being a JW. She could never attain
their moral standards as dictated in the scriptures, and thus been at
war with them ever since. This has made her a very mentally unstable
woman, her hatred is intense, and due to biker-substance abuse
lifestyle, she now needs aid of a pacemaker.

By reporting her to her ISP, she is made aware, that she is alone in
her insane crusade full of false hoods and forgeries., and that you
the reader does not support hate speech against any religion or person.

[[email protected]]

it is quite possible that the dirt had enough organics to inactivate the chlorine.
the only thing I have heard to treat for chlorine is Polyaqua which soothes the
gills. just hitting oxygen wont inactivate the chlorine that fast. Ingrid

Carl Beyer > wrote:
>From the line break to the pond is about 1 foot, over dirt that does not
>get any poisons or fertilizer so I am pessimistic this is an issue. I
>am a bit surprised about the Clorine, although it is raining in LA, as
>the water was gushing out of a pipe and hitting oxygen before the pond...


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[Derek Broughton]

Carl Beyer wrote:

> I sure hope this group is still alive......
>
> My 500 gallon pond is near a sprinkling control for the house. Last
> night, around 4 or 5 AM it burst, and ran city water into the pond for
> about 3 hours at least.
>
> We caught it, but my mosquito fish are all dead. The big Koi and
> Chubunkin fish have been "breathing hard" since. I immediatly turned on
> a water fall to aerate. But 4 hours afterward and I still have heavy
> breathing fish.
>
> I took a sample of water to the LFS and it tested fine, but I was told
> to apply some water conditioner.
>
> The LFS owner thinks I may have clorine poisoning, and that it is just
> inevitable that the fish will all die within a few days...
>
> From the line break to the pond is about 1 foot, over dirt that does not
> get any poisons or fertilizer so I am pessimistic this is an issue. I
> am a bit surprised about the Clorine, although it is raining in LA, as
> the water was gushing out of a pipe and hitting oxygen before the pond...

I don't think it's "inevitable" but I guarantee you that it's chlorine (not
really poisoning - their gills are burned). Oxygenating city water will
not deal with chloramines. Definitely keep the water fall on, though, as
they need all the oxygen they can get right now. I'm sure you'll lose
more, but probably not all.
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derek