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[Justice]

Yesterday I got myself three yoyo loaches, I was going to get zebra
loaches but there weren't to manny and they looked ill(white fins and
ich spots) I guese thats what you get for the last day of a sale :(, but
I am happy with my yoyo's. The accual point of this post is when I
introduced them to their new home my zebra diano started to chase and
nip at them. So after a while of running and hidding, they decided to
show who is the real boss in the tank. When the diano started to chase
one they all closed in on him and statred to eye poke him. Today when I
looked in he is schooling with them when they think it's ok no more
chaseing :)

[Gill Passman]

Justice wrote:
> Yesterday I got myself three yoyo loaches, I was going to get zebra
> loaches but there weren't to manny and they looked ill(white fins and
> ich spots) I guese thats what you get for the last day of a sale :(, but
> I am happy with my yoyo's. The accual point of this post is when I
> introduced them to their new home my zebra diano started to chase and
> nip at them. So after a while of running and hidding, they decided to
> show who is the real boss in the tank. When the diano started to chase
> one they all closed in on him and statred to eye poke him. Today when I
> looked in he is schooling with them when they think it's ok no more
> chaseing :)

Back at the end of August I decided to get some Yoyo loaches for my
son's tank as a birhday present....I bought 4 initially but they were
very shy so I got him another 3. Due to what appears to have been a
local problem with the supply of Yoyos we are now left with just one
(and got store credit for the ones that we lost). Although I do not
intend leaving him on his own for long (just waiting to find some decent
Yoyos) he now schools with the mollies :-)

My guess is that your Yoyos were establishing their place in the
hierarchy of your tank. Now they've come to an understanding with the
other fish things are quiet for now. My Clown Loaches will occassionally
stand off against one another to establish who is the alpha. My mbunas
are a nightmare. My Dwarf Gouramis had a stand off with the Dutch Ram
until the pecking order was set.

I would guess that you might see this behaviour from time to time again
if anyone steps (swims) out of line :-)

Gill

[Justice]

Gill Passman wrote:
> Justice wrote:
>
>> Yesterday I got myself three yoyo loaches, I was going to get zebra
>> loaches but there weren't to manny and they looked ill(white fins and
>> ich spots) I guese thats what you get for the last day of a sale :(,
>> but I am happy with my yoyo's. The accual point of this post is when I
>> introduced them to their new home my zebra diano started to chase and
>> nip at them. So after a while of running and hidding, they decided to
>> show who is the real boss in the tank. When the diano started to chase
>> one they all closed in on him and statred to eye poke him. Today when
>> I looked in he is schooling with them when they think it's ok no more
>> chaseing :)
>
>
> Back at the end of August I decided to get some Yoyo loaches for my
> son's tank as a birhday present....I bought 4 initially but they were
> very shy so I got him another 3. Due to what appears to have been a
> local problem with the supply of Yoyos we are now left with just one
> (and got store credit for the ones that we lost). Although I do not
> intend leaving him on his own for long (just waiting to find some decent
> Yoyos) he now schools with the mollies :-)
>
> My guess is that your Yoyos were establishing their place in the
> hierarchy of your tank. Now they've come to an understanding with the
> other fish things are quiet for now. My Clown Loaches will occassionally
> stand off against one another to establish who is the alpha. My mbunas
> are a nightmare. My Dwarf Gouramis had a stand off with the Dutch Ram
> until the pecking order was set.
>
> I would guess that you might see this behaviour from time to time again
> if anyone steps (swims) out of line :-)
>
> Gill
Sorry to hear about your decesed. My yoyo's arn't shy at all, well they
were at the LFS but they are out and about for most of the day and don't
even care when my hand goes in. But that could be that well I think they
are young. They are about 1.5" , 1", and maybe 3/4" long tinny guys.
from my reserch they seem to be almost babies as I've seen some pretty
big ones online.

[NetMax]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
.. .
> Justice wrote:
>> Yesterday I got myself three yoyo loaches, I was going to get zebra
>> loaches but there weren't to manny and they looked ill(white fins and
>> ich spots) I guese thats what you get for the last day of a sale :(,
>> but I am happy with my yoyo's. The accual point of this post is when I
>> introduced them to their new home my zebra diano started to chase and
>> nip at them. So after a while of running and hidding, they decided to
>> show who is the real boss in the tank. When the diano started to chase
>> one they all closed in on him and statred to eye poke him. Today when
>> I looked in he is schooling with them when they think it's ok no more
>> chaseing :)
>
> Back at the end of August I decided to get some Yoyo loaches for my
> son's tank as a birhday present....I bought 4 initially but they were
> very shy so I got him another 3. Due to what appears to have been a
> local problem with the supply of Yoyos we are now left with just one
> (and got store credit for the ones that we lost). Although I do not
> intend leaving him on his own for long (just waiting to find some
> decent Yoyos) he now schools with the mollies :-)
>
> My guess is that your Yoyos were establishing their place in the
> hierarchy of your tank. Now they've come to an understanding with the
> other fish things are quiet for now. My Clown Loaches will
> occassionally stand off against one another to establish who is the
> alpha. My mbunas are a nightmare. My Dwarf Gouramis had a stand off
> with the Dutch Ram until the pecking order was set.
>
> I would guess that you might see this behaviour from time to time again
> if anyone steps (swims) out of line :-)
>
> Gill

That was interesting how the Yoyos were eye-poking, because of the
retractable fang they keep under their eyes. I've never seen this but it
makes sense.

It can be comical how pecking order is established between fish which
have never been exposed to each other (from different corners of the
world). I once had a 100g, Oscar tank and I transferred an African
peacock cichlid in there for safe keeping for a few weeks (he was getting
brutalized in another 100g mbuna tank at the store). I never saw any
confrontation between the Peacock and the Oscars.

I later transferred a large Leporinus fasciatus into the same tank, and
the Peacock took immediate offence to this new fish. Peacocks are not
particularly territorial outside their species, nor are Leporinus, and
the entire Oscar tank had too many fish for anyone to have territories,
so this sudden sparring was really unexpected. Leporinus, for those who
are unfamiliar with them are extremely strong torpedo-shaped fish with a
tiny mouth.

For 15 minutes, the Peacock (African lake fish) and the Leporinus
(completely dissimilar fish from South American rivers) were circling
each other, heads down, at 45 degree angle, occasionally faking a lunge
and continuously posturing. Eventually, they gave up, by increasing the
diameter of their fight circle and then swimming further and further away
(both giving ground uniformly). I think they were both too strong and
stubborn to concede, but the Peacock realized he really didn't have
anything that important to fight about, and the Leporinus just went along
with that.
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Gill Passman]

NetMax wrote:
> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>Justice wrote:
>>
>>>Yesterday I got myself three yoyo loaches, I was going to get zebra
>>>loaches but there weren't to manny and they looked ill(white fins and
>>>ich spots) I guese thats what you get for the last day of a sale :(,
>>>but I am happy with my yoyo's. The accual point of this post is when I
>>>introduced them to their new home my zebra diano started to chase and
>>>nip at them. So after a while of running and hidding, they decided to
>>>show who is the real boss in the tank. When the diano started to chase
>>>one they all closed in on him and statred to eye poke him. Today when
>>>I looked in he is schooling with them when they think it's ok no more
>>>chaseing :)
>>
>>Back at the end of August I decided to get some Yoyo loaches for my
>>son's tank as a birhday present....I bought 4 initially but they were
>>very shy so I got him another 3. Due to what appears to have been a
>>local problem with the supply of Yoyos we are now left with just one
>>(and got store credit for the ones that we lost). Although I do not
>>intend leaving him on his own for long (just waiting to find some
>>decent Yoyos) he now schools with the mollies :-)
>>
>>My guess is that your Yoyos were establishing their place in the
>>hierarchy of your tank. Now they've come to an understanding with the
>>other fish things are quiet for now. My Clown Loaches will
>>occassionally stand off against one another to establish who is the
>>alpha. My mbunas are a nightmare. My Dwarf Gouramis had a stand off
>>with the Dutch Ram until the pecking order was set.
>>
>>I would guess that you might see this behaviour from time to time again
>>if anyone steps (swims) out of line :-)
>>
>>Gill
>
>
> That was interesting how the Yoyos were eye-poking, because of the
> retractable fang they keep under their eyes. I've never seen this but it
> makes sense.
>
> It can be comical how pecking order is established between fish which
> have never been exposed to each other (from different corners of the
> world). I once had a 100g, Oscar tank and I transferred an African
> peacock cichlid in there for safe keeping for a few weeks (he was getting
> brutalized in another 100g mbuna tank at the store). I never saw any
> confrontation between the Peacock and the Oscars.
>
> I later transferred a large Leporinus fasciatus into the same tank, and
> the Peacock took immediate offence to this new fish. Peacocks are not
> particularly territorial outside their species, nor are Leporinus, and
> the entire Oscar tank had too many fish for anyone to have territories,
> so this sudden sparring was really unexpected. Leporinus, for those who
> are unfamiliar with them are extremely strong torpedo-shaped fish with a
> tiny mouth.
>
> For 15 minutes, the Peacock (African lake fish) and the Leporinus
> (completely dissimilar fish from South American rivers) were circling
> each other, heads down, at 45 degree angle, occasionally faking a lunge
> and continuously posturing. Eventually, they gave up, by increasing the
> diameter of their fight circle and then swimming further and further away
> (both giving ground uniformly). I think they were both too strong and
> stubborn to concede, but the Peacock realized he really didn't have
> anything that important to fight about, and the Leporinus just went along
> with that.

Interesting your comment about fish from different parts of the
world....I had 3 Rusty cichlids in my Mbuna tank (1M/2F) - one night two
of them got finished off by the others (murder in dark)...the remaining
female was cowering at the front of the tank by the end of the day. I
took her out of the tank as from the way the others were picking on her
she would have followed her companions by the end of the night. The only
space I had available quickly was a 5 gall tank with a betta - not a
match made in heaven....

Anyway I rustled up a cave for her with some slate and she skulked in
that for around 36 hours...the betta had a peep from time to time but
there were no problems...then she came out.......the betta immediately
muscled in on the cave - not a good move. Well I'm sure you can all
imagine the mayhem that ensued...fortunately mainly posturing and
neither got hurt - I was on almost permanent standby with a net
:-)...Mrs Rusty cichlid had to go back to the LFS quicker than I planned
- unscheduled "work from home day". I think if I'd left it to the
weekend it would have been carnage....

Mr betta enjoyed the cave thereon after :-)

Gill

[Justice]

Gill Passman wrote:
> NetMax wrote:
>
>> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>
>>> Justice wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yesterday I got myself three yoyo loaches, I was going to get zebra
>>>> loaches but there weren't to manny and they looked ill(white fins
>>>> and ich spots) I guese thats what you get for the last day of a sale
>>>> :(, but I am happy with my yoyo's. The accual point of this post is
>>>> when I introduced them to their new home my zebra diano started to
>>>> chase and nip at them. So after a while of running and hidding, they
>>>> decided to show who is the real boss in the tank. When the diano
>>>> started to chase one they all closed in on him and statred to eye
>>>> poke him. Today when I looked in he is schooling with them when they
>>>> think it's ok no more chaseing :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Back at the end of August I decided to get some Yoyo loaches for my
>>> son's tank as a birhday present....I bought 4 initially but they were
>>> very shy so I got him another 3. Due to what appears to have been a
>>> local problem with the supply of Yoyos we are now left with just one
>>> (and got store credit for the ones that we lost). Although I do not
>>> intend leaving him on his own for long (just waiting to find some
>>> decent Yoyos) he now schools with the mollies :-)
>>>
>>> My guess is that your Yoyos were establishing their place in the
>>> hierarchy of your tank. Now they've come to an understanding with the
>>> other fish things are quiet for now. My Clown Loaches will
>>> occassionally stand off against one another to establish who is the
>>> alpha. My mbunas are a nightmare. My Dwarf Gouramis had a stand off
>>> with the Dutch Ram until the pecking order was set.
>>>
>>> I would guess that you might see this behaviour from time to time
>>> again if anyone steps (swims) out of line :-)
>>>
>>> Gill
>>
>>
>>
>> That was interesting how the Yoyos were eye-poking, because of the
>> retractable fang they keep under their eyes. I've never seen this but
>> it makes sense.
>>
>> It can be comical how pecking order is established between fish which
>> have never been exposed to each other (from different corners of the
>> world). I once had a 100g, Oscar tank and I transferred an African
>> peacock cichlid in there for safe keeping for a few weeks (he was
>> getting brutalized in another 100g mbuna tank at the store). I never
>> saw any confrontation between the Peacock and the Oscars.
>>
>> I later transferred a large Leporinus fasciatus into the same tank,
>> and the Peacock took immediate offence to this new fish. Peacocks are
>> not particularly territorial outside their species, nor are Leporinus,
>> and the entire Oscar tank had too many fish for anyone to have
>> territories, so this sudden sparring was really unexpected.
>> Leporinus, for those who are unfamiliar with them are extremely strong
>> torpedo-shaped fish with a tiny mouth.
>>
>> For 15 minutes, the Peacock (African lake fish) and the Leporinus
>> (completely dissimilar fish from South American rivers) were circling
>> each other, heads down, at 45 degree angle, occasionally faking a
>> lunge and continuously posturing. Eventually, they gave up, by
>> increasing the diameter of their fight circle and then swimming
>> further and further away (both giving ground uniformly). I think they
>> were both too strong and stubborn to concede, but the Peacock realized
>> he really didn't have anything that important to fight about, and the
>> Leporinus just went along with that.
>
>
> Interesting your comment about fish from different parts of the
> world....I had 3 Rusty cichlids in my Mbuna tank (1M/2F) - one night two
> of them got finished off by the others (murder in dark)...the remaining
> female was cowering at the front of the tank by the end of the day. I
> took her out of the tank as from the way the others were picking on her
> she would have followed her companions by the end of the night. The only
> space I had available quickly was a 5 gall tank with a betta - not a
> match made in heaven....
>
> Anyway I rustled up a cave for her with some slate and she skulked in
> that for around 36 hours...the betta had a peep from time to time but
> there were no problems...then she came out.......the betta immediately
> muscled in on the cave - not a good move. Well I'm sure you can all
> imagine the mayhem that ensued...fortunately mainly posturing and
> neither got hurt - I was on almost permanent standby with a net
> :-)...Mrs Rusty cichlid had to go back to the LFS quicker than I planned
> - unscheduled "work from home day". I think if I'd left it to the
> weekend it would have been carnage....
>
> Mr betta enjoyed the cave thereon after :-)
>
> Gill
>
Yah it was itntersting to watch the spike come out from behind their
eyes. it kin of makes ther eyes buldge out. I was kind of worried about
their behavior, but it seems to be ok. Befor i put the loaches in i
built a rock cave out of some rocks I bought form the LFS, I like the
ice whatever. you can see through the top of the cave. Anyway now the
loaches don't even mind when the diano enters the cave they hang out for
a while and the he leaves. One thing I noticed with the yoyo's is they
like to eat holly crap. I had some snails in there, They came from the
other tank when I used some gravel to help cycyling. but this morning 14
hours later I can't see any. not even hidden in the gravel. They seem to
do a better job then the CL loaches. at about a 1/16th the size. Althou
i cant complane thousends down to maybe a hundred within the gravel and
maybe 10 make ther way to the top to feed off plants and scum. Not bad
of an eco-system I think for a newbie. but back to my other topic my
yoyo's seem to eat and eat whatever they can untill their bellies are
about the same thickness as they were without the belly. but in the
morning the were just as thin as they were from the LFS. Should I be
conserned? also dose anybodie have expeience with these little guys at
this size, I'm especily concerned about the littlest guy I did doo a
speed mesurement today( mesuing tape agenst glass quick look when he
swim by) he is about 3/8". He was pale this mornig but showed some mor
colour latter in th day still palish though.

Thanks for reading my long post, and thanks for you opinions and help. I
fell for you people who befor the net just had magazines and monthly
group mettings. I will soon be setting up some webspace for this hobby
as well as others.

[NetMax]

"Justice" > wrote in message
news:Pwudf.122259$yS6.118797@clgrps12...
> Gill Passman wrote:
>> NetMax wrote:
>>
>>> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>
>>>> Justice wrote:
<snip>
> Yah it was itntersting to watch the spike come out from behind their
> eyes. it kin of makes ther eyes buldge out. I was kind of worried about
> their behavior, but it seems to be ok. Befor i put the loaches in i
> built a rock cave out of some rocks I bought form the LFS, I like the
> ice whatever. you can see through the top of the cave. Anyway now the
> loaches don't even mind when the diano enters the cave they hang out
> for a while and the he leaves. One thing I noticed with the yoyo's is
> they like to eat holly crap. I had some snails in there, They came from
> the other tank when I used some gravel to help cycyling. but this
> morning 14 hours later I can't see any. not even hidden in the gravel.
> They seem to do a better job then the CL loaches. at about a 1/16th the
> size. Althou i cant complane thousends down to maybe a hundred within
> the gravel and maybe 10 make ther way to the top to feed off plants and
> scum. Not bad of an eco-system I think for a newbie. but back to my
> other topic my yoyo's seem to eat and eat whatever they can untill
> their bellies are about the same thickness as they were without the
> belly. but in the morning the were just as thin as they were from the
> LFS. Should I be conserned? also dose anybodie have expeience with
> these little guys at this size, I'm especily concerned about the
> littlest guy I did doo a speed mesurement today( mesuing tape agenst
> glass quick look when he swim by) he is about 3/8". He was pale this
> mornig but showed some mor colour latter in th day still palish though.
>
> Thanks for reading my long post, and thanks for you opinions and help.
> I fell for you people who befor the net just had magazines and monthly
> group mettings. I will soon be setting up some webspace for this hobby
> as well as others.

Generally, the smaller the fish, the more often it needs to eat (in small
quantities). This is why fish are generally not sold for at least 3
months, as it is their habitat which provides the fry with a more
continuous supply of food. Some fry would be harmed by living in a
sterile tank being fed only twice a day.

A 3/8" Yoyo sounds *very* small. My Yoyo is about 4", so perhaps I just
can't remember them small, but I don't think I've seen one smaller than 1
inch, ever.

Another problem with moving fry is they are much more susceptible to
water shock, from different parameters. You could try sprinkling down
frozen shrimp, frozen baby shrimp, egglayer fry foods and/or rubbing
flake food into a smaller size, but I wouldn't get too attached to him.
I hope there is a mistake in your measurement. At 3/8" he would probably
not even be 8 weeks old, and commercial breeding of loaches would not
ship them so young.
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Bill Stock]

"Justice" > wrote in message
news:LBrdf.105722$S4.85584@edtnps84...
> Yesterday I got myself three yoyo loaches, I was going to get zebra
> loaches but there weren't to manny and they looked ill(white fins and ich
> spots) I guese thats what you get for the last day of a sale :(, but I am
> happy with my yoyo's. The accual point of this post is when I introduced
> them to their new home my zebra diano started to chase and nip at them. So
> after a while of running and hidding, they decided to show who is the real
> boss in the tank. When the diano started to chase one they all closed in
> on him and statred to eye poke him. Today when I looked in he is schooling
> with them when they think it's ok no more chaseing :)

I like the Yoyos, interesting fish. I initially had one, who was rather shy.
But when the Tiger Barbs would nip at him, he would turn right around and
kick their ass. I've got three now and the original one seems to have come
out of his shell more.

[Gill Passman]

NetMax wrote:
> "Justice" > wrote in message
> news:Pwudf.122259$yS6.118797@clgrps12...
>
>>Gill Passman wrote:
>>
>>>NetMax wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
.. .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Justice wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>Yah it was itntersting to watch the spike come out from behind their
>>eyes. it kin of makes ther eyes buldge out. I was kind of worried about
>>their behavior, but it seems to be ok. Befor i put the loaches in i
>>built a rock cave out of some rocks I bought form the LFS, I like the
>>ice whatever. you can see through the top of the cave. Anyway now the
>>loaches don't even mind when the diano enters the cave they hang out
>>for a while and the he leaves. One thing I noticed with the yoyo's is
>>they like to eat holly crap. I had some snails in there, They came from
>>the other tank when I used some gravel to help cycyling. but this
>>morning 14 hours later I can't see any. not even hidden in the gravel.
>>They seem to do a better job then the CL loaches. at about a 1/16th the
>>size. Althou i cant complane thousends down to maybe a hundred within
>>the gravel and maybe 10 make ther way to the top to feed off plants and
>>scum. Not bad of an eco-system I think for a newbie. but back to my
>>other topic my yoyo's seem to eat and eat whatever they can untill
>>their bellies are about the same thickness as they were without the
>>belly. but in the morning the were just as thin as they were from the
>>LFS. Should I be conserned? also dose anybodie have expeience with
>>these little guys at this size, I'm especily concerned about the
>>littlest guy I did doo a speed mesurement today( mesuing tape agenst
>>glass quick look when he swim by) he is about 3/8". He was pale this
>>mornig but showed some mor colour latter in th day still palish though.
>>
>>Thanks for reading my long post, and thanks for you opinions and help.
>>I fell for you people who befor the net just had magazines and monthly
>>group mettings. I will soon be setting up some webspace for this hobby
>>as well as others.
>
>
> Generally, the smaller the fish, the more often it needs to eat (in small
> quantities). This is why fish are generally not sold for at least 3
> months, as it is their habitat which provides the fry with a more
> continuous supply of food. Some fry would be harmed by living in a
> sterile tank being fed only twice a day.
>
> A 3/8" Yoyo sounds *very* small. My Yoyo is about 4", so perhaps I just
> can't remember them small, but I don't think I've seen one smaller than 1
> inch, ever.
>
> Another problem with moving fry is they are much more susceptible to
> water shock, from different parameters. You could try sprinkling down
> frozen shrimp, frozen baby shrimp, egglayer fry foods and/or rubbing
> flake food into a smaller size, but I wouldn't get too attached to him.
> I hope there is a mistake in your measurement. At 3/8" he would probably
> not even be 8 weeks old, and commercial breeding of loaches would not
> ship them so young.

In fact I believe that was the problem with some of mine - they were
around the same size as Justice's if not smaller - the second batch were
around 1" - the remaining one is now around 1 1/2 inch now and doing
well....but all my fish get some type of frozen protein food daily
(apart from the Mbunas who get occassional brine shrimp)....a great tip
for what to look for when I buy his companions

Gill

[Justice]

Gill Passman wrote:
> NetMax wrote:
>
>> "Justice" > wrote in message
>> news:Pwudf.122259$yS6.118797@clgrps12...
>>
>>> Gill Passman wrote:
>>>
>>>> NetMax wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
>>>>> .. .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Justice wrote:
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Yah it was itntersting to watch the spike come out from behind their
>>> eyes. it kin of makes ther eyes buldge out. I was kind of worried
>>> about their behavior, but it seems to be ok. Befor i put the loaches
>>> in i built a rock cave out of some rocks I bought form the LFS, I
>>> like the ice whatever. you can see through the top of the cave.
>>> Anyway now the loaches don't even mind when the diano enters the cave
>>> they hang out for a while and the he leaves. One thing I noticed with
>>> the yoyo's is they like to eat holly crap. I had some snails in
>>> there, They came from the other tank when I used some gravel to help
>>> cycyling. but this morning 14 hours later I can't see any. not even
>>> hidden in the gravel. They seem to do a better job then the CL
>>> loaches. at about a 1/16th the size. Althou i cant complane thousends
>>> down to maybe a hundred within the gravel and maybe 10 make ther way
>>> to the top to feed off plants and scum. Not bad of an eco-system I
>>> think for a newbie. but back to my other topic my yoyo's seem to eat
>>> and eat whatever they can untill their bellies are about the same
>>> thickness as they were without the belly. but in the morning the were
>>> just as thin as they were from the LFS. Should I be conserned? also
>>> dose anybodie have expeience with these little guys at this size, I'm
>>> especily concerned about the littlest guy I did doo a speed
>>> mesurement today( mesuing tape agenst glass quick look when he swim
>>> by) he is about 3/8". He was pale this mornig but showed some mor
>>> colour latter in th day still palish though.
>>>
>>> Thanks for reading my long post, and thanks for you opinions and
>>> help. I fell for you people who befor the net just had magazines and
>>> monthly group mettings. I will soon be setting up some webspace for
>>> this hobby as well as others.
>>
>>
>>
>> Generally, the smaller the fish, the more often it needs to eat (in
>> small quantities). This is why fish are generally not sold for at
>> least 3 months, as it is their habitat which provides the fry with a
>> more continuous supply of food. Some fry would be harmed by living in
>> a sterile tank being fed only twice a day.
>>
>> A 3/8" Yoyo sounds *very* small. My Yoyo is about 4", so perhaps I
>> just can't remember them small, but I don't think I've seen one
>> smaller than 1 inch, ever.
>>
>> Another problem with moving fry is they are much more susceptible to
>> water shock, from different parameters. You could try sprinkling down
>> frozen shrimp, frozen baby shrimp, egglayer fry foods and/or rubbing
>> flake food into a smaller size, but I wouldn't get too attached to
>> him. I hope there is a mistake in your measurement. At 3/8" he would
>> probably not even be 8 weeks old, and commercial breeding of loaches
>> would not ship them so young.
>
>
> In fact I believe that was the problem with some of mine - they were
> around the same size as Justice's if not smaller - the second batch were
> around 1" - the remaining one is now around 1 1/2 inch now and doing
> well....but all my fish get some type of frozen protein food daily
> (apart from the Mbunas who get occassional brine shrimp)....a great tip
> for what to look for when I buy his companions
>
> Gill
>
>
>
They don't have a problem eating, I feed them the same as my Cl loaches.
A few pellets of sinking shrimp 1 cube of bloodworms every few days(that
was today and the yoyo's loved it) and a cube of brime shrip every few
days. the glowlights love them. I'm going to try some tuna to see if
they like that, I know I don't mind it. I think that is a verried
enoughf diet, oh yah I also give a bit of flake for the rest of my fish.
who are to slow to get a pice of real meat :p

[Steve]

Justice wrote:
> Befor i put the loaches in i
> built a rock cave out of some rocks I bought form the LFS, I like the
> ice whatever. you can see through the top of the cave.

I think that the "ice whatever" may be a form of gypsum. Gypsum is
calcium sulphate, which might contribute to total hardness in the
aquarium water. It's just something to be aware of, I suppose...
Steve

[NetMax]

"Steve" > wrote in message ...
> Justice wrote:
>> Befor i put the loaches in i built a rock cave out of some rocks I
>> bought form the LFS, I like the ice whatever. you can see through the
>> top of the cave.
>
> I think that the "ice whatever" may be a form of gypsum. Gypsum is
> calcium sulphate, which might contribute to total hardness in the
> aquarium water. It's just something to be aware of, I suppose...
> Steve

I'm not certain if this 'ice' is anhydrite or CaSO4, but if it's Utah Ice
(sold by Feller Stone, Utah into the aquarium trade through Hagen
Industries) then it has a very interesting characteristic of not only
making your water hard (gH up), but it does NOT increase the buffer (kH
unchanged). Ordinarily both gH and kH are affected by minerals which
leech calcium carbonates into the water. If your kH is already high and
you don't mind these rocks melting to make your water harder, then no
problem, but ordinarily, we like to at least boost the buffer (whether we
want the gH boost or not).
--
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[Justice]

NetMax wrote:
> "Steve" > wrote in message ...
>
>>Justice wrote:
>>
>>>Befor i put the loaches in i built a rock cave out of some rocks I
>>>bought form the LFS, I like the ice whatever. you can see through the
>>>top of the cave.
>>
>>I think that the "ice whatever" may be a form of gypsum. Gypsum is
>>calcium sulphate, which might contribute to total hardness in the
>>aquarium water. It's just something to be aware of, I suppose...
>>Steve
>
>
> I'm not certain if this 'ice' is anhydrite or CaSO4, but if it's Utah Ice
> (sold by Feller Stone, Utah into the aquarium trade through Hagen
> Industries) then it has a very interesting characteristic of not only
> making your water hard (gH up), but it does NOT increase the buffer (kH
> unchanged). Ordinarily both gH and kH are affected by minerals which
> leech calcium carbonates into the water. If your kH is already high and
> you don't mind these rocks melting to make your water harder, then no
> problem, but ordinarily, we like to at least boost the buffer (whether we
> want the gH boost or not).
Thats it utah ice