eek - it's not ich it's velvet....

[Gill Passman]

Although my Clowns certainly did have Ich they now (those that I can
find) have definitely got Velvet - one poor chap is starting to lose his
skin - of the others only one is accounted for (died last night - :-( )
- I have no idea where the other 3 are hiding out...Also explains why it
never totally cleared up - the stress factor was the Velvet...poor, poor
fish :-(

I'm pretty sure that there is nothing that I can do for the Clown that I
saw this morning and will have to look at euthanising him if there is no
other option - as for the others I can't even find them let alone assess
their health....

Now, I'm pretty worried about the rest of my fish (Neon gone this
morning but that could be coincidence) - I'm off to the LFS to see what
I can do (Protozin should also have treated the velvet). I've checked
them all and can see no signs of any spots/powder or anything but I
don't think I can leave it to chance.

If anyone has any suggestions on this I would really appreciate it. I've
done some googling and some of the stuff is pretty confusing - one says
turn the light off and somewhere else it says keep them on....Copper
appears to be the most common suggestion for treatment but I'm a little
worried that this might be a kill or cure option. Bear in mind we don't
have the meds available to us in the UK that a lot of you have in the
States....

V. worried
Gill

[Justice]

Gill Passman wrote:
>
> Although my Clowns certainly did have Ich they now (those that I can
> find) have definitely got Velvet - one poor chap is starting to lose his
> skin - of the others only one is accounted for (died last night - :-( )
> - I have no idea where the other 3 are hiding out...Also explains why it
> never totally cleared up - the stress factor was the Velvet...poor, poor
> fish :-(
>
> I'm pretty sure that there is nothing that I can do for the Clown that I
> saw this morning and will have to look at euthanising him if there is no
> other option - as for the others I can't even find them let alone assess
> their health....
>
> Now, I'm pretty worried about the rest of my fish (Neon gone this
> morning but that could be coincidence) - I'm off to the LFS to see what
> I can do (Protozin should also have treated the velvet). I've checked
> them all and can see no signs of any spots/powder or anything but I
> don't think I can leave it to chance.
>
> If anyone has any suggestions on this I would really appreciate it. I've
> done some googling and some of the stuff is pretty confusing - one says
> turn the light off and somewhere else it says keep them on....Copper
> appears to be the most common suggestion for treatment but I'm a little
> worried that this might be a kill or cure option. Bear in mind we don't
> have the meds available to us in the UK that a lot of you have in the
> States....
>
> V. worried
> Gill
the stuff I used to clear up my ich was velvet plus, it was ment vor
velvet. it had no copper froem what I read copper no good for scaleless
fish. It containd formaldihide(spelling bad) or some other name for it.
hope this helps

[Liz McGuire]

Gill,

Don't know anything from experience, but this just came up today, in
case you haven't seen it:

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61638

Best of luck to you and your fishies.

Liz

[Gill Passman]

Gill Passman wrote:
>
> Although my Clowns certainly did have Ich they now (those that I can
> find) have definitely got Velvet - one poor chap is starting to lose his
> skin - of the others only one is accounted for (died last night - :-( )
> - I have no idea where the other 3 are hiding out...Also explains why it
> never totally cleared up - the stress factor was the Velvet...poor, poor
> fish :-(
>
> I'm pretty sure that there is nothing that I can do for the Clown that I
> saw this morning and will have to look at euthanising him if there is no
> other option - as for the others I can't even find them let alone assess
> their health....
>
> Now, I'm pretty worried about the rest of my fish (Neon gone this
> morning but that could be coincidence) - I'm off to the LFS to see what
> I can do (Protozin should also have treated the velvet). I've checked
> them all and can see no signs of any spots/powder or anything but I
> don't think I can leave it to chance.
>
> If anyone has any suggestions on this I would really appreciate it. I've
> done some googling and some of the stuff is pretty confusing - one says
> turn the light off and somewhere else it says keep them on....Copper
> appears to be the most common suggestion for treatment but I'm a little
> worried that this might be a kill or cure option. Bear in mind we don't
> have the meds available to us in the UK that a lot of you have in the
> States....
>
> V. worried
> Gill

Thank guys...it was too late unfortunately for my Clowns....three are
already dead and two are missing and I fear they have met the same fate
as their companions....I'm working on ensuring the rest of my fish don't
go down with Velvet and attempting to find/retrieve the other two clowns...

I'm very sad....I love Clown Loaches....obviously the combination of
both Velvet and Ich was too much for them.... :-(

Gill

[Koi-lo]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
.. .
> Thank guys...it was too late unfortunately for my Clowns....three are
> already dead and two are missing and I fear they have met the same fate as
> their companions....I'm working on ensuring the rest of my fish don't go
> down with Velvet and attempting to find/retrieve the other two clowns...
>
> I'm very sad....I love Clown Loaches....obviously the combination of both
> Velvet and Ich was too much for them.... :-(
==========================
I'm sorry to hear this. Finding healthy looking clowns in my area isn't
easy, so I hesitate to buy any. Those I saw recently were very thin, small
and pale colored. It's discouraging.........
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Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
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[default]

Gill Passman wrote:
> Although my Clowns certainly did have Ich they now (those that I can
> find) have definitely got Velvet - one poor chap is starting to lose his
> skin - ...

Gill, I've only had to battle ich one time and it was not a pretty
sight. Like most battles, there were deaths. What I did notice was
the scaleless fish, clowns and I think a rainbow shark, all died from
the cure. They lost there skin from the harshness of the medication.
Now, I'm not saying that the skin loss wasn't velvet, but I think the
condition, be it velvet or not, is directly caused by the meds.

steve

[Gill Passman]

default wrote:
> Gill Passman wrote:
>
>>Although my Clowns certainly did have Ich they now (those that I can
>>find) have definitely got Velvet - one poor chap is starting to lose his
>>skin - ...
>
>
> Gill, I've only had to battle ich one time and it was not a pretty
> sight. Like most battles, there were deaths. What I did notice was
> the scaleless fish, clowns and I think a rainbow shark, all died from
> the cure. They lost there skin from the harshness of the medication.
> Now, I'm not saying that the skin loss wasn't velvet, but I think the
> condition, be it velvet or not, is directly caused by the meds.
>
> steve
>
So really it's a no win situation. If you don't medicate they die and if
you do medicate they die.... :-(

I think the lesson I've learnt here is not to buy the more delicate type
of fish from a new source (I'm classing Clowns as delicate because of
the issues have had with Ich/Velvet)...If/when I get more Clowns it will
be from one of my known/trused suppliers...

Gill

[Koi-lo]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
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> I think the lesson I've learnt here is not to buy the more delicate type
> of fish from a new source (I'm classing Clowns as delicate because of the
> issues have had with Ich/Velvet)...If/when I get more Clowns it will be
> from one of my known/trused suppliers...
=============================
And quarantine them for 21 days. It's a lot easier spotting and treating a
disease in a 5 or 10 gallon thank than a planted and decorated display tank.

Bringing home new fish and putting them straight into your established
aquarium is playing Russian Roulette......

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Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
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[zir©on]

Yea, about like bring home new men at night for a service job huh
Carol. no telling what one may catch.......

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:37:00 -0600, "Koi-lo" >
wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
>===<>news:4385e5f2$0$38040
>===<>> I think the lesson I've learnt here is not to buy the more delicate type
>===<>> of fish from a new source (I'm classing Clowns as delicate because of the
>===<>> issues have had with Ich/Velvet)...If/when I get more Clowns it will be
>===<>> from one of my known/trused suppliers...
>===<>=============================
>===<>And quarantine them for 21 days. It's a lot easier spotting and treating a
>===<>disease in a 5 or 10 gallon thank than a planted and decorated display tank.
>===<>
>===<>Bringing home new fish and putting them straight into your established
>===<>aquarium is playing Russian Roulette......

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