Zod
November 23rd 05, 10:37 AM
Notice How Carol tries to cover up...
Cut and pasting replies fro blogs like if she knew what she is taliking
about.
Koi-lo wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Koi-lo wrote:
> >> ## Then why are you repeating yourself over and over and over? If only
> >> people who could afford a filtered, heated tanks for their bettas bought
> >> them - few bettas would be sold at all. Breeders would be eating
> >> them.........
> >> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
> > Again....
> > Breeders have heated fish rooms!!! They don't need to have separate
> > heaters ine ach tank because of this.
>
> ## The point was no one would buy them in the petshops if they had to spend
> another $35 on a 2 gallon tank, heater and filter. What would the breeders
> do if no one would buy their fish?
>
> > By the way....
> > Bettas will blow bubble nests out of boredom too. It does NOT mean that
> > they are thriving.
> > Again, you lack of knowledge on these fish is showing.
>
> ## So is yours since they live for 4 years, sometimes a few months more.
> They can get just as bored in a 2 gallon filtered heated tank.
>
> > Everything I have said is NOT my opinion and can be checked for facts
> > anywhere online.
>
> ## I already have.
>
> > It is, however, my opinion that they should be housed in tanks *over* a
> > gallon. It is NOT my opinion that a 1 gallon is a minimum size tank.
> > Again, that can be checked for facts on many sites and in books.
>
> ## Read some other websites. I did. They recommend changing the water
> every 3 days if in less than 1 gallon. With gravel and a plant there is no
> ammonia so a week works fine.
>
> > Please stop calling everything I recommend for Bettas "My opinion". 99%
> > of it are true facts and have nothing to do with my personal opinions.
>
> ## The FACTS is they can live their entire lives in 1/2 gallon containers
> if the water quality is keep pristine and they're not overfed with funguses
> and rotting food on the bottom.
>
> > My personal opinion is to not house them in anything under 2gal for any
> > legnth of time. For short periods, sure. For life, no. However, that is
> > my opinion. The facts are that nothing under a gallon should be
> > considered for lifetime quarters.
> > Breeders do not keep males around for the rest of their lives, as you
> > seem to think.
>
> ## Of course not. They sell them after a few spawns not knowing what kind of
> home the fish will get. Have you seen the conditions they're kept under at
> Wally World for example or some of the chain pet stores? Who do you think
> will come along and buy them? Not someone with $35 to $40 who plans to buy
> a 1 or 2 gallon tank for them plus a heater and filter. Who is at these
> stores *saving* these fish? Have you done anything other than post here to
> stop the horrendous abuse of bettas and fish in general out there?
>
> > Breeding males are used from the age of 4/6 months of age to about 8
> > months old is getting too old. They are then sold with the rest of
> > their stock for sale.
> > Living in smaller quarters at the breeder's house is for several months
> > only.
>
> ## What makes you think all the fish you sell are ending up in 1 to 2 gallon
> heated, filtered tanks? Once they go out your door you have no idea what
> will happen to them.
>
> > Usually, any special ones that are kept as pets are kept in proper size
> > tanks.
> > The breeders that mention that have had Bettas in tiny containers all
> > over the place and not in a heated room is obviously a poor breeder, or
> > just starting out without the proper setup, doesn't know the proper
> > conditions, or doesn't give a crap.
>
> ## Again, you seem to think everyone can afford an extra room (extra rent)
> plus heating it to tropical conditions (higher utility bills) and/or
> everyone lives in a house - just for their fish! You need to face the fact
> that most bettas sold these days are going to end up in a bowl in someone's
> home or apartment. Most will probably be dead in a few months - if they
> last that long when the novelty wears off.
>
> > If these breeders are top notch they would be doing it the proper way.
> > I'm sure these "many breeders" have web sites showing their fish
> > rooms..oh wait...that's right.....they don't have fish rooms.
>
> ## Being sarcastic gets you nowhere. If everyone who bought a betta had to
> spend another $35- $40 for a tank, heater and filter the betta breeders
> would be eating their fish - there wouldn't be enough customers to buy them.
> That was the point that sailed right over your head. Now if you really gave
> a damn you would be out there fighting for better care of the fish in stores
> like the non-pet chains instead of ragging on people (whose bettas are
> living 4 years) here on a NG..........
>
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
Cut and pasting replies fro blogs like if she knew what she is taliking
about.
Koi-lo wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Koi-lo wrote:
> >> ## Then why are you repeating yourself over and over and over? If only
> >> people who could afford a filtered, heated tanks for their bettas bought
> >> them - few bettas would be sold at all. Breeders would be eating
> >> them.........
> >> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
> > Again....
> > Breeders have heated fish rooms!!! They don't need to have separate
> > heaters ine ach tank because of this.
>
> ## The point was no one would buy them in the petshops if they had to spend
> another $35 on a 2 gallon tank, heater and filter. What would the breeders
> do if no one would buy their fish?
>
> > By the way....
> > Bettas will blow bubble nests out of boredom too. It does NOT mean that
> > they are thriving.
> > Again, you lack of knowledge on these fish is showing.
>
> ## So is yours since they live for 4 years, sometimes a few months more.
> They can get just as bored in a 2 gallon filtered heated tank.
>
> > Everything I have said is NOT my opinion and can be checked for facts
> > anywhere online.
>
> ## I already have.
>
> > It is, however, my opinion that they should be housed in tanks *over* a
> > gallon. It is NOT my opinion that a 1 gallon is a minimum size tank.
> > Again, that can be checked for facts on many sites and in books.
>
> ## Read some other websites. I did. They recommend changing the water
> every 3 days if in less than 1 gallon. With gravel and a plant there is no
> ammonia so a week works fine.
>
> > Please stop calling everything I recommend for Bettas "My opinion". 99%
> > of it are true facts and have nothing to do with my personal opinions.
>
> ## The FACTS is they can live their entire lives in 1/2 gallon containers
> if the water quality is keep pristine and they're not overfed with funguses
> and rotting food on the bottom.
>
> > My personal opinion is to not house them in anything under 2gal for any
> > legnth of time. For short periods, sure. For life, no. However, that is
> > my opinion. The facts are that nothing under a gallon should be
> > considered for lifetime quarters.
> > Breeders do not keep males around for the rest of their lives, as you
> > seem to think.
>
> ## Of course not. They sell them after a few spawns not knowing what kind of
> home the fish will get. Have you seen the conditions they're kept under at
> Wally World for example or some of the chain pet stores? Who do you think
> will come along and buy them? Not someone with $35 to $40 who plans to buy
> a 1 or 2 gallon tank for them plus a heater and filter. Who is at these
> stores *saving* these fish? Have you done anything other than post here to
> stop the horrendous abuse of bettas and fish in general out there?
>
> > Breeding males are used from the age of 4/6 months of age to about 8
> > months old is getting too old. They are then sold with the rest of
> > their stock for sale.
> > Living in smaller quarters at the breeder's house is for several months
> > only.
>
> ## What makes you think all the fish you sell are ending up in 1 to 2 gallon
> heated, filtered tanks? Once they go out your door you have no idea what
> will happen to them.
>
> > Usually, any special ones that are kept as pets are kept in proper size
> > tanks.
> > The breeders that mention that have had Bettas in tiny containers all
> > over the place and not in a heated room is obviously a poor breeder, or
> > just starting out without the proper setup, doesn't know the proper
> > conditions, or doesn't give a crap.
>
> ## Again, you seem to think everyone can afford an extra room (extra rent)
> plus heating it to tropical conditions (higher utility bills) and/or
> everyone lives in a house - just for their fish! You need to face the fact
> that most bettas sold these days are going to end up in a bowl in someone's
> home or apartment. Most will probably be dead in a few months - if they
> last that long when the novelty wears off.
>
> > If these breeders are top notch they would be doing it the proper way.
> > I'm sure these "many breeders" have web sites showing their fish
> > rooms..oh wait...that's right.....they don't have fish rooms.
>
> ## Being sarcastic gets you nowhere. If everyone who bought a betta had to
> spend another $35- $40 for a tank, heater and filter the betta breeders
> would be eating their fish - there wouldn't be enough customers to buy them.
> That was the point that sailed right over your head. Now if you really gave
> a damn you would be out there fighting for better care of the fish in stores
> like the non-pet chains instead of ragging on people (whose bettas are
> living 4 years) here on a NG..........
>
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>