Difficulty with Yellow Polyps

[Ray Martini]

72 gallon reef with many LPS, muchrooms, buttons, and reef safe fish.
Standard clean up crew. I can't for the life of me keep yellow polyps. They
die off quickly. Everything else in the tank does great. Water quality is
awesome. Calcium and KH/Alk are perfectly in range. That seems to be the
only species that will not thirve in my system.

Any thought?

[Wayne Sallee]

What are the symptoms? ,, other than they don't live :-)

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 9:34 AM:
> 72 gallon reef with many LPS, muchrooms, buttons, and reef safe fish.
> Standard clean up crew. I can't for the life of me keep yellow polyps. They
> die off quickly. Everything else in the tank does great. Water quality is
> awesome. Calcium and KH/Alk are perfectly in range. That seems to be the
> only species that will not thirve in my system.
>
> Any thought?
>
>

[Ray Martini]

They just shrivel up and fade away ...


"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
> What are the symptoms? ,, other than they don't live :-)
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
>
> Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 9:34 AM:
>> 72 gallon reef with many LPS, muchrooms, buttons, and reef safe fish.
>> Standard clean up crew. I can't for the life of me keep yellow polyps.
>> They die off quickly. Everything else in the tank does great. Water
>> quality is awesome. Calcium and KH/Alk are perfectly in range. That seems
>> to be the only species that will not thirve in my system.
>>
>> Any thought?

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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:36:13 -0500, "Ray Martini"
> wrote:

>They just shrivel up and fade away ...
>

Do you have any butterfly fishes, as my experience with them is that
they keep picking at yellow and other polyps until they die ?
(Almost a top-post).

Regards, Fishnut.


>"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
>> What are the symptoms? ,, other than they don't live :-)
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>> Wayne's Pets
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 9:34 AM:
>>> 72 gallon reef with many LPS, muchrooms, buttons, and reef safe fish.
>>> Standard clean up crew. I can't for the life of me keep yellow polyps.
>>> They die off quickly. Everything else in the tank does great. Water
>>> quality is awesome. Calcium and KH/Alk are perfectly in range. That seems
>>> to be the only species that will not thirve in my system.
>>>
>>> Any thought?
>

[Wayne Sallee]

How much lighting?

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 2:36 PM:
> They just shrivel up and fade away ...
>
>
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>What are the symptoms? ,, other than they don't live :-)
>>
>>Wayne Sallee
>>Wayne's Pets

>>
>>
>>Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 9:34 AM:
>>
>>>72 gallon reef with many LPS, muchrooms, buttons, and reef safe fish.
>>>Standard clean up crew. I can't for the life of me keep yellow polyps.
>>>They die off quickly. Everything else in the tank does great. Water
>>>quality is awesome. Calcium and KH/Alk are perfectly in range. That seems
>>>to be the only species that will not thirve in my system.
>>>
>>>Any thought?
>
>
>

[Ray Martini]

260w of PC lighting.


"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
> How much lighting?
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
>
> Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 2:36 PM:
>> They just shrivel up and fade away ...
>>
>>
>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>What are the symptoms? ,, other than they don't live :-)
>>>
>>>Wayne Sallee
>>>Wayne's Pets

>>>
>>>
>>>Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 9:34 AM:
>>>
>>>>72 gallon reef with many LPS, muchrooms, buttons, and reef safe fish.
>>>>Standard clean up crew. I can't for the life of me keep yellow polyps.
>>>>They die off quickly. Everything else in the tank does great. Water
>>>>quality is awesome. Calcium and KH/Alk are perfectly in range. That
>>>>seems to be the only species that will not thirve in my system.
>>>>
>>>>Any thought?
>>
>>

[Ray Martini]

No Butterfly fishes. Someone else eating them maybe?


> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:36:13 -0500, "Ray Martini"
> > wrote:
>
>>They just shrivel up and fade away ...
>>
>
> Do you have any butterfly fishes, as my experience with them is that
> they keep picking at yellow and other polyps until they die ?
> (Almost a top-post).
>
> Regards, Fishnut.
>
>
>>"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
>>> What are the symptoms? ,, other than they don't live :-)
>>>
>>> Wayne Sallee
>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 9:34 AM:
>>>> 72 gallon reef with many LPS, muchrooms, buttons, and reef safe fish.
>>>> Standard clean up crew. I can't for the life of me keep yellow polyps.
>>>> They die off quickly. Everything else in the tank does great. Water
>>>> quality is awesome. Calcium and KH/Alk are perfectly in range. That
>>>> seems
>>>> to be the only species that will not thirve in my system.
>>>>
>>>> Any thought?
>>
>

[Wayne Sallee]

Did you ever do any large water changes to see if they
reacted positively to large water changes?

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 7:10 PM:
> 260w of PC lighting.
>
>
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>How much lighting?
>>
>>Wayne Sallee
>>Wayne's Pets

>>
>>
>>Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 2:36 PM:
>>
>>>They just shrivel up and fade away ...
>>>
>>>
>>>"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>What are the symptoms? ,, other than they don't live :-)
>>>>
>>>>Wayne Sallee
>>>>Wayne's Pets

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 9:34 AM:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>72 gallon reef with many LPS, muchrooms, buttons, and reef safe fish.
>>>>>Standard clean up crew. I can't for the life of me keep yellow polyps.
>>>>>They die off quickly. Everything else in the tank does great. Water
>>>>>quality is awesome. Calcium and KH/Alk are perfectly in range. That
>>>>>seems to be the only species that will not thirve in my system.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any thought?
>>>
>>>
>

[Ray Martini]

I usually do 15 gallons (20%) monthly. Should I try a larger change?


"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
> Did you ever do any large water changes to see if they reacted positively
> to large water changes?
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
>
> Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 7:10 PM:
>> 260w of PC lighting.
>>
>>
>> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>How much lighting?
>>>
>>>Wayne Sallee
>>>Wayne's Pets

>>>
>>>
>>>Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 2:36 PM:
>>>
>>>>They just shrivel up and fade away ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What are the symptoms? ,, other than they don't live :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Wayne Sallee
>>>>>Wayne's Pets

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 9:34 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>72 gallon reef with many LPS, muchrooms, buttons, and reef safe fish.
>>>>>>Standard clean up crew. I can't for the life of me keep yellow polyps.
>>>>>>They die off quickly. Everything else in the tank does great. Water
>>>>>>quality is awesome. Calcium and KH/Alk are perfectly in range. That
>>>>>>seems to be the only species that will not thirve in my system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any thought?
>>>>
>>>>
>>

[Wayne Sallee]

That's fine.

I, however like doing a good 50% water change if things
are not right. With a large water change you can better
judge if the water conditions are the problem.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 8:52 PM:
> I usually do 15 gallons (20%) monthly. Should I try a larger change?
>
>
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Did you ever do any large water changes to see if they reacted positively
>>to large water changes?
>>
>>Wayne Sallee
>>Wayne's Pets

>>
>>
>>Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 7:10 PM:
>>
>>>260w of PC lighting.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>How much lighting?
>>>>
>>>>Wayne Sallee
>>>>Wayne's Pets

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 2:36 PM:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>They just shrivel up and fade away ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What are the symptoms? ,, other than they don't live :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wayne Sallee
>>>>>>Wayne's Pets

>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 9:34 AM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>72 gallon reef with many LPS, muchrooms, buttons, and reef safe fish.
>>>>>>>Standard clean up crew. I can't for the life of me keep yellow polyps.
>>>>>>>They die off quickly. Everything else in the tank does great. Water
>>>>>>>quality is awesome. Calcium and KH/Alk are perfectly in range. That
>>>>>>>seems to be the only species that will not thirve in my system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any thought?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>

[Roy]

Your not alone in not being able to keep yellow polyps. I have bought
quite a few of them and as of date only have one lousy polyp to show
for them all.

All my water paramters were perfect....I tried low flow, med flow and
high flow, lighting at all different levels, and within 2 or so weeks
yuou could start to see the numbers dwindle. At first I thought that
something in the tank was munching on them, but even the ones I moved
to a pico type tank without any critters that could possibly munch on
them they still dwindled to nothing.

Everything else in these tanks are doing superb so it really makes me
wonder whats up with yellow polyps. I even spot fed them, and they
curled up around the food and consumed it, so feeding was definately
not a problem either.....


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[Don Geddis]

>> Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 2:36 PM:
>>> They just shrivel up and fade away ...

> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message ...
>> How much lighting?

"Ray Martini" > wrote on Sat, 26 Nov 2005:
> 260w of PC lighting.

This seems like enough lighting, but my experience has been that light makes
a big difference to yellow colonial polyps. Even though I do see them catch
and eat macro foods too.

I had a (250W) metal halide bulb for a couple years, and my yellow polyps
spread everywhere: across three rocks, filled one wall of my aquarium, etc.
During the "day", when they came out, you couldn't even see individual
polyps. They just looked like a sea of grass or wheat in the current.

Then, about a month and a half ago, my MH ballast started burning out. I'm
in the middle of upgrading to a whole new tank, so I didn't bother to
repair/replace it, but just swapped in an old PC fluorescent (2x55W) canopy I
had laying around. And sure enough, the yellow polyps are all receding and
disappearing. They still cover the same square area, but now there are only
a patchwork of individuals here and there.

The only major change during this time was lighting. Of course, that has lots
of effects. I'm sure there's a lot less algae growth with the lower lights,
and perhaps the polyps filter feed on the algae.

Anyway, in my experience, the lighting makes the difference between growth and
death for yellow polyps.

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
Too bad the Spanish conquistadores were only after gold, because they probably
walked right past more tin and manganese than in their wildest imaginations.
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey [1999]

[Wayne Sallee]

Yep, it's just not worth it to skimp on lighing when
setting up a reet tank. Often people have problems with
their tanks, and can't figure out why. Often one can keep
coral under less desirable conditions, but the chances of
it not working right is greatly increased. Lighting is
something that almost everyone skimps on with their first
reef tank, but it should be the last thing to be skimped on.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Don Geddis wrote on 11/29/2005 2:23 PM:
>>>Ray Martini wrote on 11/26/2005 2:36 PM:
>>>
>>>>They just shrivel up and fade away ...
>
>
>>"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message ...
>>
>>>How much lighting?
>
>
> "Ray Martini" > wrote on Sat, 26 Nov 2005:
>
>>260w of PC lighting.
>
>
> This seems like enough lighting, but my experience has been that light makes
> a big difference to yellow colonial polyps. Even though I do see them catch
> and eat macro foods too.
>
> I had a (250W) metal halide bulb for a couple years, and my yellow polyps
> spread everywhere: across three rocks, filled one wall of my aquarium, etc.
> During the "day", when they came out, you couldn't even see individual
> polyps. They just looked like a sea of grass or wheat in the current.
>
> Then, about a month and a half ago, my MH ballast started burning out. I'm
> in the middle of upgrading to a whole new tank, so I didn't bother to
> repair/replace it, but just swapped in an old PC fluorescent (2x55W) canopy I
> had laying around. And sure enough, the yellow polyps are all receding and
> disappearing. They still cover the same square area, but now there are only
> a patchwork of individuals here and there.
>
> The only major change during this time was lighting. Of course, that has lots
> of effects. I'm sure there's a lot less algae growth with the lower lights,
> and perhaps the polyps filter feed on the algae.
>
> Anyway, in my experience, the lighting makes the difference between growth and
> death for yellow polyps.
>
> -- Don
> __________________________________________________ _____________________________
> Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
> Too bad the Spanish conquistadores were only after gold, because they probably
> walked right past more tin and manganese than in their wildest imaginations.
> -- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey [1999]