First Suicide

[Bill Stock]

I bought some SAEs today to take care of some BBA in the main plant tank.
But they're going in the Office tank until they get their health papers
(quarantine). I also decided to replace the gravel in the Office tank with
Fluorite at the same time. So I moved all of the inhabitants of the Office
tank into a Rubbermaid Tote while I removed the old gravel and washed the
Fluorite. It took well over an hour to clean the Fluorite and get the plants
set up again in the tank.

I was just getting ready to move the fish, when I saw the SAE on the floor.
I was really surprised, as it was at least 8" from the water to the top of
the Tote. I was hoping it was not too late, but it's skin looked pretty dry.
He/She didn't make it.

Are SAEs known jumpers?

[Koi-lo]

"Bill Stock" > wrote in message
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> Are SAEs known jumpers?
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Assume all fish jump.
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[Tedd Jacobs]

"Koi-lo" wrote...
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> "Bill Stock" > wrote in message
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>> Are SAEs known jumpers?
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> Assume all fish jump.

assume all people read. are certain people known to read (more than
others)*?

*- i think this is more along the lines of the gist of the question and an
answer to this might be a bit more helpful to what bill is actually asking.

from my limited experience (and the limited species i have had contact with)
the driving force in "jumping" in the cases i have observered have been
stress related- either from sickness, preditor/prey activity, hungar, etc.
i have read from time to time to 'watch this fish...' or 'watch that fish as
they will jump'. SAE's may be included in this list of fish that are
reported to be "jumpers" but i dont know that for sure. hopefully someone
else here will.

[Billy]

"Bill Stock" > wrote in message
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> Are SAEs known jumpers?
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IME they are. I've lost probably a dozen of them over the years. The
last few were a mystery; good water conditions, not crowded tank, no
new additions, no fish with predatory tendancies. They'd been in the
tank for nearly 3 years, then within a week 4 ended up on the floor.

b

[NetMax]

"Bill Stock" > wrote in message
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>I bought some SAEs today to take care of some BBA in the main plant
>tank. But they're going in the Office tank until they get their health
>papers (quarantine). I also decided to replace the gravel in the Office
>tank with Fluorite at the same time. So I moved all of the inhabitants
>of the Office tank into a Rubbermaid Tote while I removed the old gravel
>and washed the Fluorite. It took well over an hour to clean the Fluorite
>and get the plants set up again in the tank.
>
> I was just getting ready to move the fish, when I saw the SAE on the
> floor. I was really surprised, as it was at least 8" from the water to
> the top of the Tote. I was hoping it was not too late, but it's skin
> looked pretty dry. He/She didn't make it.
>
> Are SAEs known jumpers?


Other than surface insect feeders (Hatchetfish, Archers, Bettas etc)
which *do* jump very well, you can somewhat assume the probability of a
fish jumping by its capability (their shape). Long cylindrical fish are
more adept at reaching 'escape' velocity out of the water, and large long
cylindrical fish (ie: Leporinus) can go air-borne for very significant
distances. Common escape artists are sharks (Redtail and Rainbow),
danios, rainbowfish and CAEs. Powerful fish (Arrowanas, Koi, Oscars and
other large cichlids) usually have no problem jumping out, due to a
combination of strength (pushing obstructions aside) and the short
distance involved from the waterline to the edge of a tank.

I usually try to remember to throw a window screen over a temporary
holding tank, as that's when they're most likely to want to jump (as soon
as your back is turned).

PS: rather than a suicide, it was more like a misdirected jump for
freedom.
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[Bill Stock]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
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>> Are SAEs known jumpers?
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> Other than surface insect feeders (Hatchetfish, Archers, Bettas etc) which
> *do* jump very well, you can somewhat assume the probability of a fish
> jumping by its capability (their shape). Long cylindrical fish are more
> adept at reaching 'escape' velocity out of the water, and large long
> cylindrical fish (ie: Leporinus) can go air-borne for very significant
> distances. Common escape artists are sharks (Redtail and Rainbow),
> danios, rainbowfish and CAEs. Powerful fish (Arrowanas, Koi, Oscars and
> other large cichlids) usually have no problem jumping out, due to a
> combination of strength (pushing obstructions aside) and the short
> distance involved from the waterline to the edge of a tank.

Very informative as usual. Fortunately I've never had any Pond jumpers. This
is a concern with the indoor pond.

> I usually try to remember to throw a window screen over a temporary
> holding tank, as that's when they're most likely to want to jump (as soon
> as your back is turned).

:) I'll rest the lid on the Tote in future.


> PS: rather than a suicide, it was more like a misdirected jump for
> freedom.

> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>

[Graham Ramsay]

"NetMax" wrote
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> Other than surface insect feeders (Hatchetfish, Archers, Bettas etc) which
> *do* jump very well, you can somewhat assume the probability of a fish
> jumping by its capability (their shape). Long cylindrical fish are more
> adept at reaching 'escape' velocity out of the water, and large long
> cylindrical fish (ie: Leporinus) can go air-borne for very significant
> distances. Common escape artists are sharks (Redtail and Rainbow),
> danios, rainbowfish and CAEs. Powerful fish (Arrowanas, Koi, Oscars and
> other large cichlids) usually have no problem jumping out, due to a
> combination of strength (pushing obstructions aside) and the short
> distance involved from the waterline to the edge of a tank.

I'd add killifish to that list.

--
Graham R.

[IDzine01]

I had a betta jump out of a hole the size of a quarter. I had to tape
over all openings that weren't filled completely in the cover.
I also had a Black Mystery Snail that I would frequently find crossing
my dining room. Occasionally on the wall, sometimes on the floor.
I half expected to find him in a differnt tank one day.

[Bill Stock]

"IDzine01" > wrote in message
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> I had a betta jump out of a hole the size of a quarter. I had to tape
> over all openings that weren't filled completely in the cover.
> I also had a Black Mystery Snail that I would frequently find crossing
> my dining room. Occasionally on the wall, sometimes on the floor.
> I half expected to find him in a differnt tank one day.

LOL, guess who's coming to dinner! :)