is it ICH? new fish dying

[El Scorcho]

Hi. I've lurked but haven't posted in a while.
Can anyone give me some suggestions for this recurring nightmare?
I have a 25G reef, just shrooms, polyps, zoos and a great looking
frogspawn. The corals have been doing very well, almost no casualties.
The fish on the other hand haven't been so lucky.
Most of my fish have at some time or another succumbed to what I
believe to be ich.
The curious thing is that some fish get it and die and others don't.
Example, my two PJ cardinals have no ich on them but my recently
aquired six line wrasse is starting to get some.
I've already lost two clowns and two clown gobies to this horror.
Can this really be ich if the cardinals don't have a trace of it? It
does look like the pictures i've seen. Maybe it's because the
cardinals stay near the top of the tank and all the others like to hang
out close to the rocks and coral?

Any suggestions as to what I can use without damaging my coral? I
don't have a quarantine tank...

Many thanks...

[miskairal]

I don't really know enough about sal****er fish yet but if it's similar
to freshwater then yes it could be ich and your pyjamas just may not
have any stress in their lives which could cause them to develop it. The
other fish may all have been more stressed by moving and therefore
succumbed to it.

With freshwater tanks they say that ich is in a lot of tanks but so long
as the fish aren't stressed by bad water, moving, fighting etc. then
they may lead long, healthy lives.

Aren't there some sort of shrimps that might clean the ich parasite off
affected fish?

Another suggestion for freshwater fish is to raise the tank temp to the
upper limits of normal as the ich eggs don't much like that. An
accidental chilling can cause an outbreak too. Does this apply to salt
water fish as well?

Sorry no answers, just more questions.


El Scorcho wrote:
> Hi. I've lurked but haven't posted in a while.
> Can anyone give me some suggestions for this recurring nightmare?
> I have a 25G reef, just shrooms, polyps, zoos and a great looking
> frogspawn. The corals have been doing very well, almost no casualties.
> The fish on the other hand haven't been so lucky.
> Most of my fish have at some time or another succumbed to what I
> believe to be ich.
> The curious thing is that some fish get it and die and others don't.
> Example, my two PJ cardinals have no ich on them but my recently
> aquired six line wrasse is starting to get some.
> I've already lost two clowns and two clown gobies to this horror.
> Can this really be ich if the cardinals don't have a trace of it? It
> does look like the pictures i've seen. Maybe it's because the
> cardinals stay near the top of the tank and all the others like to hang
> out close to the rocks and coral?
>
> Any suggestions as to what I can use without damaging my coral? I
> don't have a quarantine tank...
>
> Many thanks...
>

[Ray Martini]

Stressed fish tend to develop Ich. There is a constant supply of Ich in
every tank. Some fish get it, others don't It's a crap shoot. I've tried
"reef safe" ich treatments and they don't work. The only way to reliably
treat the fish is to QT it and treat with copper. NEVER use copper based
meds in a tank with live rock or any other inverts. However it can be quite
challenging to catch the affected fish. Kind of a catch 22. I added an 18w
UV sterilizer to my system and it worked like a charm. Controversial as UV's
are, it worked for me. You can raise the temp but you don't want it too high
if you have corals.

I have a Hippo Tang that almost always has some white spot on him. He does
just fine. It comes and goes.

Skunk Cleaner and Fire/Blood shrimp are excellent parasite cleaners. The
fish present themselves to the shrimp and the shrimp will pick off dead
scales and parasites. I have a Squareback Anthius that opens his mouth WIDE
and the shrimp clean inside the mouth. Pretty fascinating to observe. Try
not to add any more animals until the white spot thing calms down and even
them QT'ing the fish for 30 days is best practice before adding them to your
display tank.


"miskairal" <mehiding@Oz> wrote in message
u...
>I don't really know enough about sal****er fish yet but if it's similar to
>freshwater then yes it could be ich and your pyjamas just may not have any
>stress in their lives which could cause them to develop it. The other fish
>may all have been more stressed by moving and therefore succumbed to it.
>
> With freshwater tanks they say that ich is in a lot of tanks but so long
> as the fish aren't stressed by bad water, moving, fighting etc. then they
> may lead long, healthy lives.
>
> Aren't there some sort of shrimps that might clean the ich parasite off
> affected fish?
>
> Another suggestion for freshwater fish is to raise the tank temp to the
> upper limits of normal as the ich eggs don't much like that. An accidental
> chilling can cause an outbreak too. Does this apply to salt water fish as
> well?
>
> Sorry no answers, just more questions.
>
>
> El Scorcho wrote:
>> Hi. I've lurked but haven't posted in a while.
>> Can anyone give me some suggestions for this recurring nightmare?
>> I have a 25G reef, just shrooms, polyps, zoos and a great looking
>> frogspawn. The corals have been doing very well, almost no casualties.
>> The fish on the other hand haven't been so lucky.
>> Most of my fish have at some time or another succumbed to what I
>> believe to be ich.
>> The curious thing is that some fish get it and die and others don't.
>> Example, my two PJ cardinals have no ich on them but my recently
>> aquired six line wrasse is starting to get some.
>> I've already lost two clowns and two clown gobies to this horror.
>> Can this really be ich if the cardinals don't have a trace of it? It
>> does look like the pictures i've seen. Maybe it's because the
>> cardinals stay near the top of the tank and all the others like to hang
>> out close to the rocks and coral?
>>
>> Any suggestions as to what I can use without damaging my coral? I
>> don't have a quarantine tank...
>>
>> Many thanks...
>>

[miskairal]

Thanks Ray.

Ray Martini wrote:
> Stressed fish tend to develop Ich. There is a constant supply of Ich in
> every tank. Some fish get it, others don't It's a crap shoot. I've tried
> "reef safe" ich treatments and they don't work. The only way to reliably
> treat the fish is to QT it and treat with copper. NEVER use copper based
> meds in a tank with live rock or any other inverts. However it can be quite
> challenging to catch the affected fish. Kind of a catch 22. I added an 18w
> UV sterilizer to my system and it worked like a charm. Controversial as UV's
> are, it worked for me. You can raise the temp but you don't want it too high
> if you have corals.
>
> I have a Hippo Tang that almost always has some white spot on him. He does
> just fine. It comes and goes.
>
> Skunk Cleaner and Fire/Blood shrimp are excellent parasite cleaners. The
> fish present themselves to the shrimp and the shrimp will pick off dead
> scales and parasites. I have a Squareback Anthius that opens his mouth WIDE
> and the shrimp clean inside the mouth. Pretty fascinating to observe. Try
> not to add any more animals until the white spot thing calms down and even
> them QT'ing the fish for 30 days is best practice before adding them to your
> display tank.
>
>
> "miskairal" <mehiding@Oz> wrote in message
> u...
>
>>I don't really know enough about sal****er fish yet but if it's similar to
>>freshwater then yes it could be ich and your pyjamas just may not have any
>>stress in their lives which could cause them to develop it. The other fish
>>may all have been more stressed by moving and therefore succumbed to it.
>>
>>With freshwater tanks they say that ich is in a lot of tanks but so long
>>as the fish aren't stressed by bad water, moving, fighting etc. then they
>>may lead long, healthy lives.
>>
>>Aren't there some sort of shrimps that might clean the ich parasite off
>>affected fish?
>>
>>Another suggestion for freshwater fish is to raise the tank temp to the
>>upper limits of normal as the ich eggs don't much like that. An accidental
>>chilling can cause an outbreak too. Does this apply to salt water fish as
>>well?
>>
>>Sorry no answers, just more questions.
>>
>>
>>El Scorcho wrote:
>>
>>>Hi. I've lurked but haven't posted in a while.
>>>Can anyone give me some suggestions for this recurring nightmare?
>>>I have a 25G reef, just shrooms, polyps, zoos and a great looking
>>>frogspawn. The corals have been doing very well, almost no casualties.
>>> The fish on the other hand haven't been so lucky.
>>>Most of my fish have at some time or another succumbed to what I
>>>believe to be ich.
>>>The curious thing is that some fish get it and die and others don't.
>>>Example, my two PJ cardinals have no ich on them but my recently
>>>aquired six line wrasse is starting to get some.
>>>I've already lost two clowns and two clown gobies to this horror.
>>>Can this really be ich if the cardinals don't have a trace of it? It
>>>does look like the pictures i've seen. Maybe it's because the
>>>cardinals stay near the top of the tank and all the others like to hang
>>>out close to the rocks and coral?
>>>
>>>Any suggestions as to what I can use without damaging my coral? I
>>>don't have a quarantine tank...
>>>
>>>Many thanks...
>>>
>
>
>

[El Scorcho]

Thanks for the advice. Incredibly in the last 3 or 4 days the six line
wrasse has fewer white spots. He is the newest addition to the tank,
i've only had him for about 1 moth, maybe he was just stressed about
the move.

Thanks again..

[TheRock]

Fish don't develop Ich. It's a parasite called Ichthyophthirius
multifilius.
You need Ich Away or another ich medication to get rid of it.
Yes ? No ?

Try this link.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwich.htm

Just don't buy any damn fish from Petco or some chain pet store.
All the chains by me get their fish on a Monday and by Thursday
1/2 are belly up covered with Ich and the rest they sell to unknowing
people.

I use Ich guard to treat the tank (marine). Seems to work well and stop the
outbreaks.
I throw some in the tank every now and then just for the hell of it.
Board I guess, plus it turns the water a nice blue color...oops !

Chris


"Ray Martini" > wrote in message
. ..
> Stressed fish tend to develop Ich. There is a constant supply of Ich in
> every tank. Some fish get it, others don't It's a crap shoot.

[Wayne Sallee]

There are better ways to handle ick, than just dumping in
chemicals because you feal like it.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



TheRock wrote on 12/8/2005 8:33 PM:
> Fish don't develop Ich. It's a parasite called Ichthyophthirius
> multifilius.
> You need Ich Away or another ich medication to get rid of it.
> Yes ? No ?
>
> Try this link.
> http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwich.htm
>
> Just don't buy any damn fish from Petco or some chain pet store.
> All the chains by me get their fish on a Monday and by Thursday
> 1/2 are belly up covered with Ich and the rest they sell to unknowing
> people.
>
> I use Ich guard to treat the tank (marine). Seems to work well and stop the
> outbreaks.
> I throw some in the tank every now and then just for the hell of it.
> Board I guess, plus it turns the water a nice blue color...oops !
>
> Chris
>
>
> "Ray Martini" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>>Stressed fish tend to develop Ich. There is a constant supply of Ich in
>>every tank. Some fish get it, others don't It's a crap shoot.
>
>
>

[TheRock]

AND ? Did I offend you ?
My fish are happy...
Plus the part about turning the water blue was my attempt at humor.


"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
> There are better ways to handle ick, than just dumping in chemicals
> because you feal like it.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
>
> TheRock wrote on 12/8/2005 8:33 PM:
>> Fish don't develop Ich. It's a parasite called Ichthyophthirius
>> multifilius.
>> You need Ich Away or another ich medication to get rid of it.
>> Yes ? No ?
>>
>> Try this link.
>> http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwich.htm
>>
>> Just don't buy any damn fish from Petco or some chain pet store.
>> All the chains by me get their fish on a Monday and by Thursday
>> 1/2 are belly up covered with Ich and the rest they sell to unknowing
>> people.
>>
>> I use Ich guard to treat the tank (marine). Seems to work well and stop
>> the outbreaks.
>> I throw some in the tank every now and then just for the hell of it.
>> Board I guess, plus it turns the water a nice blue color...oops !
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> "Ray Martini" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>
>>>Stressed fish tend to develop Ich. There is a constant supply of Ich in
>>>every tank. Some fish get it, others don't It's a crap shoot.
>>
>>

[El Scorcho]

why the anger???
I imagine you have no coral?

[TheRock]

I'm not angry.
I just think saying "There are better ways to handle ich, than just dumping
in chemicals because you feel like it."
sounds a bit abrasive ? No biggie

I'm relatively new to this hobby...5 years and I have a few 10+ corals, fish
live rock sand etc.



"El Scorcho" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> why the anger???
> I imagine you have no coral?
>