Nanocube or eclipse aquariums

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Greetings, I'm in the market for a compact marine fish only system and
have some questions regarding different options that are out there.
Here are my primary considerations:

1. Size. I live in a 1 bedroom apartment so I want something in the
15-25 gallon range. This is also why I want to get a system that is
"all in one" such as the nano cube, aquapod or eclipse.

2. Price. I want quality but not more firepower than I need for a fish
only system. It seems the nanocube and aquapods are better quality and
have better components than the eclipse models, but I'm not sure I need
the bells and whistles. I certainly don't want to spend more than I
need to.

3. Noise. I really want to keep the noise (especially mechanical noise)
to a minimum.

I've asked around at a few stores and if they have they nano cube thry
urge that system and if they don't they urge the eclipse. If anyone has
any advice regarding my options I'd really appreciate it. Thanks in
advance.

Ryan

[Koi-lo]

While the JBJ NANO cubes are pretty unique, they have a bad history of
developing cracks unexpectedly...What you see is not really what you
get in terms of quality.....the glass in imperfect and full of minute
scratches due to the way their formed, and the mateirals used, and
they up and crack.........if they did not arrive cracked in the
mail..... JBJ blamed all the cracks on how they were orginally packed,
then repacked them all, then they still cracked, and they blamed it on
the shipper, who told them to take a hike, they then started to blame
customers for abusing them.....all alonog its been their inferior
product. So after all this time they claim they are quality items,
why have they increased the thickness of the glass and have taken them
to another manufacturer to be made starting in late 2005.......Its
like playing russian roulette, you never know when its gonna up and
bust......theh web based forums are full of horrow stories all
regarding the JBJ Nano cubes.......

Eclipse are nice units however IMHO lighting is minimal, but if your
willing to spend the price of what a JBJ Nano cube costs wait a week
or two more and buy a Aqua Pod, made by Current....Hands down its
virtually indesctructablke and much nicer n design and what comes
equipped with it. Pumps on these are top notch name brand pumps.Pumps
on the JBJ Nano cubes are junk and heat up water faster than a heater
does and are known to die rather quickly.

Check out the nano-cube fourms on the problems NANO cubes owbers have
experieinced



On 8 Dec 2005 12:40:22 -0800, wrote:
Greetings, I'm in the market for a compact marine fish only system and
have some questions regarding different options that are out there.
Here are my primary considerations:

1. Size. I live in a 1 bedroom apartment so I want something in the
15-25 gallon range. This is also why I want to get a system that is
"all in one" such as the nano cube, aquapod or eclipse.

2. Price. I want quality but not more firepower than I need for a fish
only system. It seems the nanocube and aquapods are better quality and
have better components than the eclipse models, but I'm not sure I
need
the bells and whistles. I certainly don't want to spend more than I
need to.

3. Noise. I really want to keep the noise (especially mechanical
noise)
to a minimum.

I've asked around at a few stores and if they have they nano cube thry
urge that system and if they don't they urge the eclipse. If anyone
has
any advice regarding my options I'd really appreciate it. Thanks in
advance.

Ryan

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[Koi-lo]

IMPERSONATION REPORT:
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Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:43:07 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.121.237.6 ~ Roy
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"Koi-lo" > aka *ROY* from rec.ponds wrote in message
...

> While the JBJ NANO cubes are pretty unique, they have a bad history of
> developing cracks unexpectedly...What you see is not really what you
> get in terms of quality.....the glass in imperfect and full of minute
> scratches due to the way their formed, and the mateirals used, and....
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SNIP!

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Koi-lo]

When the hell are you going to get out of your little old dream world
there Carol? YOU do not own the name Koi lo and I sure as hell have
not impersonated you. Who in their right mind would want to even be
asociated with you being your such a jerk. But again, you can not
resist the urge to reply to any and all posts and stir up the
pot....Now if I was posting with crap like you throw out, I may
consider it a different story so until that time take a freaking hike
bitch and send in all the impersonation reports your little lame
a$$ed heart desire......Impersonation on theinternet, thats a really
good one, especially in the USENET groups.......its not even close to
impersonating anyone........unlike yu did when yu tried to impersonate
the head honcho's of Heart of Tenn internet service and got the
boot.......

So grow the hell up jerk and take a hike, a really long hike and get
lost while your at it., and I will giv e you one more waring....come
back on any of my posts with crap as you have and I will flood all the
groups your in with more messages that are irrevalent to the topics
than you or any one will like........so its your ball game
bitch.......


On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:32:27 -0600, "Koi-lo" ålid>
wrote:
IMPERSONATION REPORT:
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Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:43:07 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.121.237.6 ~ Roy
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"Koi-lo" > aka *ROY* from rec.ponds wrote in
message
...

> While the JBJ NANO cubes are pretty unique, they have a bad history of
> developing cracks unexpectedly...What you see is not really what you
> get in terms of quality.....the glass in imperfect and full of minute
> scratches due to the way their formed, and the mateirals used, and....
--------------
SNIP!

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
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[Dr Engelbert Buxbaum]

wrote:

> Greetings, I'm in the market for a compact marine fish only system and
> have some questions regarding different options that are out there.
> Here are my primary considerations:
>
> 1. Size. I live in a 1 bedroom apartment so I want something in the
> 15-25 gallon range. This is also why I want to get a system that is
> "all in one" such as the nano cube, aquapod or eclipse.
>
> 2. Price. I want quality but not more firepower than I need for a fish
> only system. It seems the nanocube and aquapods are better quality and
> have better components than the eclipse models, but I'm not sure I need
> the bells and whistles. I certainly don't want to spend more than I
> need to.
>
> 3. Noise. I really want to keep the noise (especially mechanical noise)
> to a minimum.

If you are on a restricted budget with little previous experience in
fish keeping, marine tanks are not to be recommended. The technical
setup is more complicated and expensive than fresh water, fish losses
are likely to be higher.

In addition, most salt water fishes are caught from the wild, often by
using cyanide, which can destroy entire reef communities. Many fresh
water fishes, especially the typical beginner fishes like neons or
guppies, are bred in captivity.

So why not take a nice freshwater tank? 25 gal (approx 100 l) is already
a nice size. Put a lot of life plants in there to provide a nice home
for your fishes, then select fishes that fit to the water params of your
tap water (in particular hardness). You'll get much more joy out of
that.

[Roy]

I hate to tell you Dr. Englebert whatever.....but your far from being
correct in any statement you made....

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:33:15 +0100, Dr Engelbert Buxbaum
> wrote:
wrote:

> Greetings, I'm in the market for a compact marine fish only system and
> have some questions regarding different options that are out there.
> Here are my primary considerations:
>
> 1. Size. I live in a 1 bedroom apartment so I want something in the
> 15-25 gallon range. This is also why I want to get a system that is
> "all in one" such as the nano cube, aquapod or eclipse.
>
> 2. Price. I want quality but not more firepower than I need for a fish
> only system. It seems the nanocube and aquapods are better quality and
> have better components than the eclipse models, but I'm not sure I need
> the bells and whistles. I certainly don't want to spend more than I
> need to.
>
> 3. Noise. I really want to keep the noise (especially mechanical noise)
> to a minimum.

If you are on a restricted budget with little previous experience in
fish keeping, marine tanks are not to be recommended. The technical
setup is more complicated and expensive than fresh water, fish losses
are likely to be higher.

Nothing different than freshwater except for checking salinity...All
other tests still need to be done like Nitrate, nitrite, and ammonia
and PH.........Eclipse makes a basiclally plug and play setup suitable
for marine fish, if your carefull on what types you put in it, and
there is a heap of suitable small sized fish that will thrive happily
in a 12 gal Eclipse tank with no changes made to tank other than using
sal****er........There are many pico tank owners out there that keep
fish in 5 gal or less down to 1 gal or less contianing full reef
setups complete with fish or shrimp etc, and its not rocket sicience.
Its no harder tha keeping freshwater. I wold stay away from the JBJ
Nano cubes unless you like playing russian roulette, as they are very
prone to cracking, and they are not the best quaility materials used
to produce them.......Read some of the web forums for hundreds of
horrow stories on the JBJ Nano cubes.

Eclipes makes a 10, 12 and IIRC 24 or 29 gal which is more than
suitable for what yu want, however the tank itself is not a true
acrylic plastic, its more a clear styrene plastic, but you can buy
just the hood assembly which comes complete with filter, lights etc
built into it, and use it on a all glass tank.My local shop sells only
the hoods and right now they have a special on the largest size
Eclipse with everything needed, including proper bulbs for sal****er
reef, (can keep softies etc) live rock and live sand, heater, 5 pound
box of Instant Ocean salt, hydrometer to check Sg, coralife digital
thermometer, heater and some other assorted goodies for $199.00 out
the door.....No noise and perfectly fine for sw use.

In addition, most salt water fishes are caught from the wild, often by
using cyanide, which can destroy entire reef communities. Many fresh
water fishes, especially the typical beginner fishes like neons or
guppies, are bred in captivity.


I don;t know where you come from but better than 70 or 75 percent of
the fish sold in the shops here and at other places I frequent are all
tank rasied and bred.......not taken from the wild. The few that are
does not mean they use cyanide to catch them....


So why not take a nice freshwater tank? 25 gal (approx 100 l) is
already
a nice size. Put a lot of life plants in there to provide a nice home
for your fishes, then select fishes that fit to the water params of
your
tap water (in particular hardness). You'll get much more joy out of
that.


Why would he get more joy out of a freshwater than a sal****er.He
wants a sal****er and sal****er is not difficult........Folks have to
start somewhere so just where do you think he starts in his hobby of
fish keeping.......Just how much experieince does one have to have
before they go to sal****er..come on , perhaps you were hindered, but
its not hard unless your a real idiot.........if you can keep fresh
you can keep marine.plain and simple........

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[Roy]

Oh yea, I forgot, if you want the best bang for the buck and the best
nano type tank out there that has it all in one setup get an Aqua Pod.

First choise if affordable would be the Aqua Pod
Second choice would be Eclipse
Third I would have a gold fish in a bowl before I went with a NANO
cube by JBJ
Best bet is buy a tank and associated equipment so your not tied into
a setup that makes it hard to modify or change out items on. All
glasss tanks are cheap, so are heaters, and if your only looking for a
fish only setup a stock hood with a better bulb is more than adequate,
and you can always upgrade the lights in that hood at a later date. A
hang on filter can serve as a refugium as well as provide filtration,
but load up on liverock and let it be your main filtration system and
use the hang on back filter as a fuge and coarse mechanical
filter......Aqua Clear AC110 works fantastic for sal****er setups even
on a 10 or 20 gal tank......go for a filter hang on back type with as
large a resivoir as possible.........Tetra filters do not cut it for
marine use like an Aqua clear or Eheim does.

Regards


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[Dr Engelbert Buxbaum]

Roy wrote:

>> If you are on a restricted budget with little previous experience in
>> fish keeping, marine tanks are not to be recommended. The technical
>> setup is more complicated and expensive than fresh water, fish losses
>> are likely to be higher.
>
> Nothing different than freshwater except for checking salinity...All
> other tests still need to be done like Nitrate, nitrite, and ammonia
> and PH.........

The biggest difference is the absence of plants in sal****er tanks to
aid in filtering and keep the setup stable (I know about algae, but that
does not change my statement). In addition the filter setup is more
complicated (protein skimmer).

>> In addition, most salt water fishes are caught from the wild, often by
>> using cyanide, which can destroy entire reef communities. Many fresh
>> water fishes, especially the typical beginner fishes like neons or
>> guppies, are bred in captivity.
>
>
> I don;t know where you come from but better than 70 or 75 percent of
> the fish sold in the shops here and at other places I frequent are all
> tank rasied and bred.......not taken from the wild. The few that are
> does not mean they use cyanide to catch them....

There are only about 20 species of sal****er fish that have been raised
successfully in captivity, and even of these the vast majority is wild
caught for financial reasons. And if you re-read my statement you will
find that I never said _all_ sal****er fishes were cyanide caught. In
fact that procedure is illegal, but still common practice. As Bert
Brecht once wrote: First comes the food, then comes the morale.

> Why would he get more joy out of a freshwater than a sal****er.

Because his fishes are more likely to survive longer. In addition, costs
are considerably lower (I should know, as I have kept both).

> perhaps you were hindered, but
> its not hard unless your a real idiot.........

Your tone is inappropriate here.

BTW, could you please quote correctly, so the quotes and your answeres
are distinguished. It makes things much simpler for all concerned.

[Roy]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:42:58 +0100, Dr Engelbert Buxbaum
> wrote:
>><>Roy wrote:
>><>
>><>>> If you are on a restricted budget with little previous experience in
>><>>> fish keeping, marine tanks are not to be recommended. The technical
>><>>> setup is more complicated and expensive than fresh water, fish losses
>><>>> are likely to be higher.
>><>>
>><>> Nothing different than freshwater except for checking salinity...All
>><>> other tests still need to be done like Nitrate, nitrite, and ammonia
>><>> and PH.........
>><>
>><>The biggest difference is the absence of plants in sal****er tanks to
>><>aid in filtering and keep the setup stable (I know about algae, but that
>><>does not change my statement). In addition the filter setup is more
>><>complicated (protein skimmer).

Oh really, no real need to have a protein skimmer but it makes life
easier.....Live rock performs the majority of the filtration..Plants
are not necessary in a sw setup unless you want it over run with
things like calupera or chaeto.....or if you just have to have em put
em in a fuge..and really they are in the macro algae family anyhow so
plants or lack of plants is kind of stupid reason. I guess th9ough is
something as simple as a skimmer gets you confused, you better stay
with a plastic cup and a betta.


>><>
>><>>> In addition, most salt water fishes are caught from the wild, often by
>><>>> using cyanide, which can destroy entire reef communities. Many fresh
>><>>> water fishes, especially the typical beginner fishes like neons or
>><>>> guppies, are bred in captivity.
>><>>
>><>>
>><>> I don;t know where you come from but better than 70 or 75 percent of
>><>> the fish sold in the shops here and at other places I frequent are all
>><>> tank rasied and bred.......not taken from the wild. The few that are
>><>> does not mean they use cyanide to catch them....
>><>
>><>There are only about 20 species of sal****er fish that have been raised
>><>successfully in captivity, and even of these the vast majority is wild
>><>caught for financial reasons. And if you re-read my statement you will
>><>find that I never said _all_ sal****er fishes were cyanide caught. In
>><>fact that procedure is illegal, but still common practice. As Bert
>><>Brecht once wrote: First comes the food, then comes the morale.

The implication you made sounded and still does sound like to catch sw
fish they use cyanide..........then again you really need to do some
checking as to how many breeds are now tank rasied....your numbers are
off.
>><>
>><>> Why would he get more joy out of a freshwater than a sal****er.
>><>
>><>Because his fishes are more likely to survive longer. In addition, costs
>><>are considerably lower (I should know, as I have kept both).
>><>

And why would fw fishes live longer than marine fish.....I have lots
of old salts so to speak and they are doing fine, and I started off as
a beginer as well at one point and some of those fish I started with
were with me many many years.........then again info from a person who
thinks a skimmer is a complicated piece of equipment, what would they
know anyhow.
>><>> perhaps you were hindered, but
>><>> its not hard unless your a real idiot.........
>><>
>><>Your tone is inappropriate here.
Any who the hell are you , my momma? You can read it anyway you want
to, If I can read yur post to sound like your a dumbass that tells
folks they can't start a sw sewtup as its too complicated for a
beginer, or a skimmer is needed and very complicated, I can assume
just like you can I not.......I will further say your kind of narrow
minded and coupled with your total stupidity on advisiing someone who
is wanting to start off with a marine tank they can';t do it because
of your lame a$$ reasons, your a babbling idiot then with no real
experieince in SW setups or you certainly would not have made suck
stupid assinine statements as you did....

>><>
>><>BTW, could you please quote correctly, so the quotes and your answeres
>><>are distinguished. It makes things much simpler for all concerned.

When you pay my ISP bill then you may have the right to tell me how to
post or how to quote......

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[Dr Engelbert Buxbaum]

Roy wrote:


> >><>Your tone is inappropriate here.
> Any who the hell are you , my momma? You can read it anyway you want
> to, If I can read yur post to sound like your a dumbass that tells


Plonk

[Polarhound]

Roy wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:42:58 +0100, Dr Engelbert Buxbaum
> > wrote:
>
>>><>Roy wrote:
>>><>
>>><>>> If you are on a restricted budget with little previous experience in
>>><>>> fish keeping, marine tanks are not to be recommended. The technical
>>><>>> setup is more complicated and expensive than fresh water, fish losses
>>><>>> are likely to be higher.
>>><>>
>>><>> Nothing different than freshwater except for checking salinity...All
>>><>> other tests still need to be done like Nitrate, nitrite, and ammonia
>>><>> and PH.........
>>><>
>>><>The biggest difference is the absence of plants in sal****er tanks to
>>><>aid in filtering and keep the setup stable (I know about algae, but that
>>><>does not change my statement). In addition the filter setup is more
>>><>complicated (protein skimmer).
>
>
> Oh really, no real need to have a protein skimmer but it makes life
> easier.....Live rock performs the majority of the filtration..Plants
> are not necessary in a sw setup unless you want it over run with
> things like calupera or chaeto.....or if you just have to have em put
> em in a fuge..and really they are in the macro algae family anyhow so
> plants or lack of plants is kind of stupid reason. I guess th9ough is
> something as simple as a skimmer gets you confused, you better stay
> with a plastic cup and a betta.
>
>
>
>>><>
>>><>>> In addition, most salt water fishes are caught from the wild, often by
>>><>>> using cyanide, which can destroy entire reef communities. Many fresh
>>><>>> water fishes, especially the typical beginner fishes like neons or
>>><>>> guppies, are bred in captivity.
>>><>>
>>><>>
>>><>> I don;t know where you come from but better than 70 or 75 percent of
>>><>> the fish sold in the shops here and at other places I frequent are all
>>><>> tank rasied and bred.......not taken from the wild. The few that are
>>><>> does not mean they use cyanide to catch them....
>>><>
>>><>There are only about 20 species of sal****er fish that have been raised
>>><>successfully in captivity, and even of these the vast majority is wild
>>><>caught for financial reasons. And if you re-read my statement you will
>>><>find that I never said _all_ sal****er fishes were cyanide caught. In
>>><>fact that procedure is illegal, but still common practice. As Bert
>>><>Brecht once wrote: First comes the food, then comes the morale.
>
>
> The implication you made sounded and still does sound like to catch sw
> fish they use cyanide..........then again you really need to do some
> checking as to how many breeds are now tank rasied....your numbers are
> off.
>
>>><>
>>><>> Why would he get more joy out of a freshwater than a sal****er.
>>><>
>>><>Because his fishes are more likely to survive longer. In addition, costs
>>><>are considerably lower (I should know, as I have kept both).
>>><>
>
>
> And why would fw fishes live longer than marine fish.....I have lots
> of old salts so to speak and they are doing fine, and I started off as
> a beginer as well at one point and some of those fish I started with
> were with me many many years.........then again info from a person who
> thinks a skimmer is a complicated piece of equipment, what would they
> know anyhow.
>
>>><>> perhaps you were hindered, but
>>><>> its not hard unless your a real idiot.........
>>><>
>>><>Your tone is inappropriate here.
>
> Any who the hell are you , my momma? You can read it anyway you want
> to, If I can read yur post to sound like your a dumbass that tells
> folks they can't start a sw sewtup as its too complicated for a
> beginer, or a skimmer is needed and very complicated, I can assume
> just like you can I not.......I will further say your kind of narrow
> minded and coupled with your total stupidity on advisiing someone who
> is wanting to start off with a marine tank they can';t do it because
> of your lame a$$ reasons, your a babbling idiot then with no real
> experieince in SW setups or you certainly would not have made suck
> stupid assinine statements as you did....
>
>
>>><>
>>><>BTW, could you please quote correctly, so the quotes and your answeres
>>><>are distinguished. It makes things much simpler for all concerned.
>
>
> When you pay my ISP bill then you may have the right to tell me how to
> post or how to quote......
>

Here's a better idea. Why don't you go play a few rounds of hide and go
**** yourself? You seem uniquely suited for the task.