stocking ideas for a 75 gal (US)

[Tedd Jacobs]

any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)

[fish lover]

>any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>
I like the cichlids. If you are not a newbie, I would go for discus. I
just like them. Not everyone shares the same view :-)

[NetMax]

"Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
...
> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)


Can we get more info? Is your water hard or soft, acidic or alkaline?

Will it be at eye level close to a seated position (smaller fish?), or
eye level to a walking height (medium to larger fish?).

Will there be live plants in there?

What is your favourite colour ? ;~)

What is the most compelling thing about your current aquariums?

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[Victor Martinez]

Tedd Jacobs wrote:
> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)

Rainbowfish, a couple of angels, ottos and an acistrus or two. :)

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[Charles]

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:36:10 -0700, "Tedd Jacobs"
> wrote:

>any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>

Endler's Livebearers.

[Jim Anderson]

In article >,
says...
> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>
>
>

<http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/cookie_cutter_75g.php>

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[Alpha]

"Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
...
> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>

I suggest you figure out your interests in aquaria. This is not even a
remotely viable question.

[Tedd Jacobs]

"NetMax" wrote...
> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
> ...
>> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>
>
> Can we get more info? Is your water hard or soft, acidic or alkaline?

this one (the 75 gal) is the one we got towards the end of last summer.
it's been stocked with a few feeder guppies and neons, and a couple of barbs
for about the past 4-5 months. it's been running untouched and the algae is
now starting to take off so i'll be picking up a pair of dwarf pl*co's here
in the next couple of weeks. it's kept a fairly high gh/kh, due to the
water and rock. ph i'm not so sure about (i lost the color key cards in the
move last winter). i've added some driftwood this past week so i'll see
where that leaves me in about a month or so. filtration is overkill and
water movement is moderate. i removed the charcoal about six weeks ago.


>
> Will it be at eye level close to a seated position (smaller fish?), or eye
> level to a walking height (medium to larger fish?).

in the main room, against the center wall. maple stand and hood, best
viewed at a sitting level (which is how we have arranged the room around
it).

>
> Will there be live plants in there?

probably not, given how my thumb is not so green. i'm getting better with
the plants in the other tanks however, so there is always the hope. ;-)

>
> What is your favourite colour ? ;~)

scotch.

>
> What is the most compelling thing about your current aquariums?

asthetic variety, and low fish loads. we still have the other tanks, (5
(QT), 10, 15 tall, 20, & 25 gal (US)).


>
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>

[Tedd Jacobs]

"Victor Martinez" wrote...
> Tedd Jacobs wrote:
>> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>
> Rainbowfish, a couple of angels, ottos and an acistrus or two. :)

the wife is leaning towards silver dollars over the angels now. before we
moved last winter we had a pair of angels and a couple of otos in one of our
smaller tanks. i hadnt thought about the acistrus before 'though.

>
> --
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> Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
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[Tedd Jacobs]

"Charles" wrote...
> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:36:10 -0700, "Tedd Jacobs"
> > wrote:
>
>>any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>>
>
> Endler's Livebearers.

and what else?

we've got guppies that we use as feeders. we already have a few of those in
the tank now (along with a pair of tiger barbs).

[Tedd Jacobs]

"Alpha" wrote...
>
> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
> ...
>> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>>
>
> I suggest you figure out your interests in aquaria. This is not even a
> remotely viable question.


thanks for your suggestion. i'll figure out what my interests are with the
other 4 tanks i already have going and get back to you. that aside, do you
have any remotely viable answers?


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water?

[Tedd Jacobs]

"Jim Anderson" > wrote in message
et...
> In article >,
> says...
>> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>
> <http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/cookie_cutter_75g.php>

thanks! the wife has something against cichlids because the only ones she
has seen are the big ol' tiger oscars. so this may help. :-)

>
> --
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> ( 8(|) To eMail me, just pull "my_finger"

[Tedd Jacobs]

"fish lover" wrote...
> >any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>>
> I like the cichlids. If you are not a newbie, I would go for discus. I
> just like them. Not everyone shares the same view :-)

quite true. one of the deals i had to make with the wife for letting me get
this tank last summer was that i would not get any "oscars" as she calls
them all. (i'm working on her, i pointed out that the angels she loved so
much were actually...) ;-)

[Steve]

Tedd Jacobs wrote:

>
> this one (the 75 gal) is the one we got towards the end of last summer.
> it's been stocked with a few feeder guppies and neons, and a couple of barbs
> for about the past 4-5 months. it's been running untouched and the algae is
> now starting to take off so i'll be picking up a pair of dwarf pl*co's here
> in the next couple of weeks. it's kept a fairly high gh/kh, due to the
> water and rock. ph i'm not so sure about (i lost the color key cards in the
> move last winter). i've added some driftwood this past week so i'll see
> where that leaves me in about a month or so. filtration is overkill and
> water movement is moderate. i removed the charcoal about six weeks ago.
>
>

I like rainbowfish, and the ordinary "Australian Rainbowfish" Melatonia
fluviatilis likes medium-hard water, according to Baensch's atlas.
Rainbowfish also don't mind water movement, and they're quite hardy.

I had rainbowfish when I set up my aquarium long ago, in a hard water
area. Now that I'm in a town with fairly soft water I still keep some
rainbowfish, but add some crushed coral in the filter.

Rainbowfishes' water preferences do vary. Here's a great link:
http://members.optushome.com.au/chelmon/ (home of the rainbowfish).

Steve

[Steve]

Tedd Jacobs wrote:
>
> we've got guppies that we use as feeders. we already have a few of those in
> the tank now (along with a pair of tiger barbs).
>
>
Re: Rainbowfish (my suggestion) and tiger barbs. I had some fin-nipping
of my rainbowfish when I introduced tigerbarbs, and the tiger barbs went
back to the store. I've successfully kept rosy barbs and cherry barbs
along with the rainbowfish, without problems.
Steve

[NetMax]

"Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
...
>
> "NetMax" wrote...
>> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>>
>>
>> Can we get more info? Is your water hard or soft, acidic or alkaline?
>
> this one (the 75 gal) is the one we got towards the end of last summer.
> it's been stocked with a few feeder guppies and neons, and a couple of
> barbs for about the past 4-5 months. it's been running untouched and
> the algae is now starting to take off so i'll be picking up a pair of
> dwarf pl*co's here in the next couple of weeks. it's kept a fairly
> high gh/kh, due to the water and rock. ph i'm not so sure about (i
> lost the color key cards in the move last winter). i've added some
> driftwood this past week so i'll see where that leaves me in about a
> month or so. filtration is overkill and water movement is moderate. i
> removed the charcoal about six weeks ago.
>
>
>>
>> Will it be at eye level close to a seated position (smaller fish?), or
>> eye level to a walking height (medium to larger fish?).
>
> in the main room, against the center wall. maple stand and hood, best
> viewed at a sitting level (which is how we have arranged the room
> around it).
>
>>
>> Will there be live plants in there?
>
> probably not, given how my thumb is not so green. i'm getting better
> with the plants in the other tanks however, so there is always the
> hope. ;-)
>
>>
>> What is your favourite colour ? ;~)
>
> scotch.
>
>>
>> What is the most compelling thing about your current aquariums?
>
> asthetic variety, and low fish loads. we still have the other tanks,
> (5 (QT), 10, 15 tall, 20, & 25 gal (US)).
>
>
>>
>> --
>> www.NetMax.tk


Silk plants (6-8 large, 3 medium, 4 small). Red-brown medium coarse
gravel. Lava stone (white rounded stones with flat sedimentary layers of
red feldspar going through it). Arrange rocks in a grotto, hiding the
first 2" of the large silk plants. Random stones hiding the medium plant
bases.

8 Congo tetras (large flashy active, top to mid swimmers)
5 Thick lipped gourami (larger hardy version of the Dwarf gourami, Colisa
labiosa instead of C. lalia, mid-upper levels).
12 Harlequin rasboras (small shoaling, brings the brown hues upward with
their copper coloring, mid swimmers)
8 Ruby barbs (med, active, comical, mid to lower level swimmers)
6 Keyhole cichlids (small, lower level, somewhat shy, will not
over-reproduce, adds an extra element of life as their behaviour/motions
are 'cichlid' rather than 'tetra'.
6 Arched corydoras (C.arcuatus, bottom crew, white underbelly would
contrast nicely on a brown-red substrate).
1 Ancistrus (algae crew, never to be seen again)

Order of introduction is not too critical except the Harlequins should be
established before adding the Rubys and Congos (unless all are purchased
as juveniles).
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[Koi-lo]

"Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
...
> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
=================
For something really beautiful and colorful.... and entire tank with
rockwork and Malawi cichlids. Males only if possible to keep aggression
down and avoid breeding. One of the most impressive setups I ever had that
got the most comments from friends and visitors was my 55g Malawi cichlid
tank.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
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[NetMax]

"Koi-lo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
> ...
>> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
> =================
> For something really beautiful and colorful.... and entire tank with
> rockwork and Malawi cichlids. Males only if possible to keep
> aggression down and avoid breeding. One of the most impressive setups
> I ever had that got the most comments from friends and visitors was my
> 55g Malawi cichlid tank.
> --
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>


Ditto on activity level and beauty, but these work best in a crowded
setup which doesn't agree with Tedd's criteria :(.

Can you explain how you would go about setting up a mbuna tank of males?
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[Larry Blanchard]

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:27:24 -0500, Steve wrote:

> I like rainbowfish, and the ordinary "Australian Rainbowfish" Melatonia
> fluviatilis likes medium-hard water, according to Baensch's atlas.
> Rainbowfish also don't mind water movement, and they're quite hardy.

I'd go along with that. You'd have a lot of choices. I like the
"fasciata" and the "axelrodii" (hope I spelled those right) the best. And
if you prefer smaller ones, there's the "praecox" and the "macullochi".

Also, the forktail blue-eye, related to the rainbows, is a great little
fish - Pseudomugil furcatus.

[Koi-lo]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> "Koi-lo" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>> =================
>> For something really beautiful and colorful.... and entire tank with
>> rockwork and Malawi cichlids. Males only if possible to keep aggression
>> down and avoid breeding. One of the most impressive setups I ever had
>> that got the most comments from friends and visitors was my 55g Malawi
>> cichlid tank.
>> --
>> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
>> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
>
> Ditto on activity level and beauty, but these work best in a crowded setup
> which doesn't agree with Tedd's criteria :(.
>
> Can you explain how you would go about setting up a mbuna tank of males?
================================
There's nothing to it as long as they're not males of the same type. IOW I
would have the store pick out "males only" where ever possible. One
fuelleborni, one peacock, one rusty, one of something else, etc. They all
grew up together which helps,... I learned from experience when raising them
in the 90s. The males are also more colorful for a display tank. Many
females look a bit drab. There was some aggression naturally, but not like
what went on in the breeding tanks. :-( And there was a lot of rockwork
that was changed around monthly when I did the gravel vac number. I used
regular gravel, added extra Magnesium to the water and lots and lots of free
limestone rocks from behind the house. The filter was a large Aquaclear.
I found males were less aggressive towards others when there were no females
of their species (is that the right word?) present. Someday I'll probably
set up another Malawi tank.......... they were truly beautiful.
--

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[NetMax]

"Koi-lo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Koi-lo" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>>> =================
>>> For something really beautiful and colorful.... and entire tank with
>>> rockwork and Malawi cichlids. Males only if possible to keep
>>> aggression down and avoid breeding. One of the most impressive
>>> setups I ever had that got the most comments from friends and
>>> visitors was my 55g Malawi cichlid tank.
>>> --
>>> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>>> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>>> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
>>> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>>
>>
>> Ditto on activity level and beauty, but these work best in a crowded
>> setup which doesn't agree with Tedd's criteria :(.
>>
>> Can you explain how you would go about setting up a mbuna tank of
>> males?
> ================================
> There's nothing to it as long as they're not males of the same type.
> IOW I would have the store pick out "males only" where ever possible.
> One fuelleborni, one peacock, one rusty, one of something else, etc.
> They all grew up together which helps,... I learned from experience
> when raising them in the 90s. The males are also more colorful for a
> display tank. Many females look a bit drab. There was some aggression
> naturally, but not like what went on in the breeding tanks. :-( And
> there was a lot of rockwork that was changed around monthly when I did
> the gravel vac number. I used regular gravel, added extra Magnesium to
> the water and lots and lots of free limestone rocks from behind the
> house. The filter was a large Aquaclear. I found males were less
> aggressive towards others when there were no females of their species
> (is that the right word?) present. Someday I'll probably set up
> another Malawi tank.......... they were truly beautiful.
> --
>
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>


OK, this works by keeping different genus and species. Same genus,
different species can still cause problems. If you were trying to do
this with the same species/genus, it's impossible with most of them, as
the males can delay showing their sex until they are too old to be mixed
together with other males. I also love African tanks for their color,
activity level and social behaviour. Perhaps not for beginners as it can
be frustrating, but once a recipe is established, it can work quite well
for a few years.
--
www.NetMax.tk

[Koi-lo]

"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
> "Koi-lo" > wrote in message
>> There's nothing to it as long as they're not males of the same type. IOW
>> I would have the store pick out "males only" where ever possible. One
>> fuelleborni, one peacock, one rusty, one of something else, etc. They all
>> grew up together which helps,... I learned from experience when raising
>> them in the 90s. The males are also more colorful for a display tank.
>> Many females look a bit drab. There was some aggression naturally, but
>> not like what went on in the breeding tanks. :-( And there was a lot
>> of rockwork that was changed around monthly when I did the gravel vac
>> number. I used regular gravel, added extra Magnesium to the water and
>> lots and lots of free limestone rocks from behind the house. The filter
>> was a large Aquaclear. I found males were less aggressive towards others
>> when there were no females of their species (is that the right word?)
>> present. Someday I'll probably set up another Malawi tank..........
>> they were truly beautiful.
==========================================
> OK, this works by keeping different genus and species. Same genus,
> different species can still cause problems. If you were trying to do this
> with the same species/genus, it's impossible with most of them, as the
> males can delay showing their sex until they are too old to be mixed
> together with other males. I also love African tanks for their color,
> activity level and social behaviour. Perhaps not for beginners as it can
> be frustrating, but once a recipe is established, it can work quite well
> for a few years.
======================
I started with about 12 young Malawi's and as they grew and developed I had
to cull them out anyway as they can get large. As they matured I removed
the most aggressive, the least attractive and what I was sure were females.
There was a stable group of 7 or 8 left when we moved. I sold them. I had
to cut back drastically on the fish for awhile at that time.
--

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

[Daniel Morrow]

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"Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Victor Martinez" wrote...
> > Tedd Jacobs wrote:
> >> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
> >
> > Rainbowfish, a couple of angels, ottos and an acistrus or two.
:)
>
> the wife is leaning towards silver dollars over the angels now.
before we
> moved last winter we had a pair of angels and a couple of otos in
one of our
> smaller tanks. i hadnt thought about the acistrus before 'though.
>
> >
> > --
> > Victor M. Martinez
> > Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
> > Send your spam here:
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>
>

I highly recommend the silver dollars. They, in my opinion, are
easily more peaceful than angelfish. I have had my silver dollars for
approximately 2 years now and they are great. I keep live plants
available for food for them just in case but the live plants are
never eaten and are not required as the silver dollars eat the algae
wafers (plus miscellaneous green produce occasionally) I feed them (2
silver dollars = 3 algae wafers a day, 2 in the morning and 1 in the
evening). If I a not mistaken a great very many silver dollars can be
kept together without fighting as long as they are fed properly (they
are herbivorous if I am not mistaken) and are not overcrowded. Good
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[Tedd Jacobs]

"Steve" wrote...
> Tedd Jacobs wrote:
>
>>
>> this one (the 75 gal) is the one we got towards the end of last summer.
>> it's been stocked with a few feeder guppies and neons, and a couple of
>> barbs for about the past 4-5 months. it's been running untouched and the
>> algae is now starting to take off so i'll be picking up a pair of dwarf
>> pl*co's here in the next couple of weeks. it's kept a fairly high gh/kh,
>> due to the water and rock. ph i'm not so sure about (i lost the color
>> key cards in the move last winter). i've added some driftwood this past
>> week so i'll see where that leaves me in about a month or so. filtration
>> is overkill and water movement is moderate. i removed the charcoal about
>> six weeks ago.
>>
>>
>
> I like rainbowfish, and the ordinary "Australian Rainbowfish" Melatonia
> fluviatilis likes medium-hard water, according to Baensch's atlas.
> Rainbowfish also don't mind water movement, and they're quite hardy.
>
> I had rainbowfish when I set up my aquarium long ago, in a hard water
> area. Now that I'm in a town with fairly soft water I still keep some
> rainbowfish, but add some crushed coral in the filter.
>
> Rainbowfishes' water preferences do vary. Here's a great link:
> http://members.optushome.com.au/chelmon/ (home of the rainbowfish).
>
> Steve

the neon and the banded varieties are very pretty. we like the idea of a
moderate mix of larger and smaller fish, without all being the same 'type'
of fish. what would you recommend as a mix with each?

[Tedd Jacobs]

"NetMax" wrote...
> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "NetMax" wrote...
>>> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)

<snip>

> 8 Congo tetras (large flashy active, top to mid swimmers)
> 5 Thick lipped gourami (larger hardy version of the Dwarf gourami, Colisa
> labiosa instead of C. lalia, mid-upper levels).
> 12 Harlequin rasboras (small shoaling, brings the brown hues upward with
> their copper coloring, mid swimmers)
> 8 Ruby barbs (med, active, comical, mid to lower level swimmers)
> 6 Keyhole cichlids (small, lower level, somewhat shy, will not
> over-reproduce, adds an extra element of life as their behaviour/motions
> are 'cichlid' rather than 'tetra'.
> 6 Arched corydoras (C.arcuatus, bottom crew, white underbelly would
> contrast nicely on a brown-red substrate).
> 1 Ancistrus (algae crew, never to be seen again)

what would you recommend as a substitute to the cichlids?

on another note, what type of a mix would work with/include pictus cats?

[Tedd Jacobs]

"Koi-lo" wrote...
>
> "NetMax" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Koi-lo" > wrote in message
>>> There's nothing to it as long as they're not males of the same type. IOW
>>> I would have the store pick out "males only" where ever possible. One
>>> fuelleborni, one peacock, one rusty, one of something else, etc. They
>>> all grew up together which helps,... I learned from experience when
>>> raising them in the 90s. The males are also more colorful for a display
>>> tank. Many females look a bit drab. There was some aggression
>>> naturally, but not like what went on in the breeding tanks. :-( And
>>> there was a lot of rockwork that was changed around monthly when I did
>>> the gravel vac number. I used regular gravel, added extra Magnesium to
>>> the water and lots and lots of free limestone rocks from behind the
>>> house. The filter was a large Aquaclear. I found males were less
>>> aggressive towards others when there were no females of their species
>>> (is that the right word?) present. Someday I'll probably set up
>>> another Malawi tank.......... they were truly beautiful.
> ==========================================
>> OK, this works by keeping different genus and species. Same genus,
>> different species can still cause problems. If you were trying to do
>> this with the same species/genus, it's impossible with most of them, as
>> the males can delay showing their sex until they are too old to be mixed
>> together with other males. I also love African tanks for their color,
>> activity level and social behaviour. Perhaps not for beginners as it can
>> be frustrating, but once a recipe is established, it can work quite well
>> for a few years.
> ======================
> I started with about 12 young Malawi's and as they grew and developed I
> had to cull them out anyway as they can get large. As they matured I
> removed the most aggressive, the least attractive and what I was sure were
> females. There was a stable group of 7 or 8 left when we moved. I sold
> them. I had to cut back drastically on the fish for awhile at that time.

definiately a very impressive looking variey. i'm going to have to take
some time reading up on them a bit more. thanks. :-)

[Tedd Jacobs]

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> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
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>>
>> "Victor Martinez" wrote...
>> > Tedd Jacobs wrote:
>> >> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)

<snip>

> I highly recommend the silver dollars. They, in my opinion, are
> easily more peaceful than angelfish. I have had my silver dollars for
> approximately 2 years now and they are great. I keep live plants
> available for food for them just in case but the live plants are
> never eaten and are not required as the silver dollars eat the algae
> wafers (plus miscellaneous green produce occasionally) I feed them (2
> silver dollars = 3 algae wafers a day, 2 in the morning and 1 in the
> evening). If I a not mistaken a great very many silver dollars can be
> kept together without fighting as long as they are fed properly (they
> are herbivorous if I am not mistaken) and are not overcrowded. Good
> luck and later!

what would be a good mix that includes two or three of them?

[Alpha]

"Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Alpha" wrote...
>>
>> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>>>
>>
>> I suggest you figure out your interests in aquaria. This is not even a
>> remotely viable question.
>
>
> thanks for your suggestion. i'll figure out what my interests are with
> the other 4 tanks i already have going and get back to you. that aside,
> do you have any remotely viable answers?
>
>
> --
> How does one infer human behavior through studying the color of artic sea
> water?
>

That was not a prescient answer. You did not answer the implied question.
Did you intend to get random responses of individual preference?

[Tedd Jacobs]

"Tedd Jacobs" wrote...
> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)

thanks to everyone who gave ideas. we're in no rush to add fish to this
aquirium. meaning, losely translated- we taking our time, gathering
opinions, and researching before we decide on anything (plus it lets the
tank settle into it's own ballance, parameter wise, letting us see where it
is going to remain stable, which of course will also affect our final
selection). this is a tank and mix i plan to have set for many years.

initially i wanted to have half a dozen green tiger barbs in there (keeping
the stripped tigers in another tank) and work around that. i've grown out
of that idea. ;-)

tenitively we are thinking of (in no special order or mix):

silver dollars
gouramis
malawi cichlids (i've got the wife to at least look into them now, as well
as some of the other cichlids)
rainbowfish (neon or banded)
neon tetras, danios, rasboras, or simular (a whole lot of them)
small puffers (although i am not yet ready to commit to a brackish water
tank)
pictus cats
african dwarf frogs (we have them in all the other tanks at this point)
dwarf (bristlenose) pl*cos (love these guys and they dont outsize the tank)
clown loaches

as an addition to this list, the wife has said "anything blue"... (dont
ask).


one of the things we want to avoid are species that will reach over 6-8
inches.

fish we want to avoid at this point:
discus
angels
"oscars"
livebearers (i've got guppies already for feeders)
'specialty' fish- i'm not experienced enough yet to take on a high dollar,
high maintanance fish.

comments, suggestions, criticisms?

[Tedd Jacobs]

"Alpha" wrote...
>
> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Alpha" wrote...
>>>
>>> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I suggest you figure out your interests in aquaria. This is not even a
>>> remotely viable question.
>>
>>
>> thanks for your suggestion. i'll figure out what my interests are with
>> the other 4 tanks i already have going and get back to you. that aside,
>> do you have any remotely viable answers?
>>
>>
>> --
>> How does one infer human behavior through studying the color of artic sea
>> water?
>>
>
> That was not a prescient answer. You did not answer the implied question.
> Did you intend to get random responses of individual preference?

i believe "random responses of individual preference" would be inclusive
under 'any and all...'.

if you have a suggested mix, by all means i am eager to hear it. otherwise,
i have no interest in playing semantics.

[Steve]

Tedd Jacobs wrote:
> "Steve" wrote...
>
>>Tedd Jacobs wrote:
>>
>>
>>>this one (the 75 gal) is the one we got towards the end of last summer.
>>>it's been stocked with a few feeder guppies and neons, and a couple of
>>>barbs for about the past 4-5 months. it's been running untouched and the
>>>algae is now starting to take off so i'll be picking up a pair of dwarf
>>>pl*co's here in the next couple of weeks. it's kept a fairly high gh/kh,
>>>due to the water and rock. ph i'm not so sure about (i lost the color
>>>key cards in the move last winter). i've added some driftwood this past
>>>week so i'll see where that leaves me in about a month or so. filtration
>>>is overkill and water movement is moderate. i removed the charcoal about
>>>six weeks ago.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I like rainbowfish, and the ordinary "Australian Rainbowfish" Melatonia
>>fluviatilis likes medium-hard water, according to Baensch's atlas.
>>Rainbowfish also don't mind water movement, and they're quite hardy.
>>
>>I had rainbowfish when I set up my aquarium long ago, in a hard water
>>area. Now that I'm in a town with fairly soft water I still keep some
>>rainbowfish, but add some crushed coral in the filter.
>>
>>Rainbowfishes' water preferences do vary. Here's a great link:
>>http://members.optushome.com.au/chelmon/ (home of the rainbowfish).
>>
>>Steve
>
>
> the neon and the banded varieties are very pretty. we like the idea of a
> moderate mix of larger and smaller fish, without all being the same 'type'
> of fish. what would you recommend as a mix with each?
>
>

I began with 6 Australian rainbowfish, and even had a couple of young
from them. This happened when I moved plants (accidentally with eggs)
from the main aquarium to the quarantine tank.

Later I had 6 Boesmani rainbows.

A year ago I got 6 neon dwarf rainbowfish and one has died. Another one
of the 6 turned out to be a larger, blue type of rainbowfish bigger than
the dwarfs.

Each time I waited until all rainbowfish had died before getting another
batch. They're in a community tank with clown loaches, small pl*cs,
Siamese algae eaters, white clouds, zebra danios, gourami and a few old
harlequins. With the first rainbowfish I also swordtails and various fish.

The rainbowfish mixed well with all the fish, the only exception being
when I temporarily introduced a goldfish to eat blue-green algae. The
goldfish fins became a bit ragged after a week and I blamed the rainbowfish.

I'm not experienced enough to definitely suggest specific rainbowfish;
so far they've all been great.

Steve

[NetMax]

"Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Koi-lo" wrote...
>>
>> "NetMax" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Koi-lo" > wrote in message
>>>> There's nothing to it as long as they're not males of the same type.
>>>> IOW I would have the store pick out "males only" where ever possible.
>>>> One fuelleborni, one peacock, one rusty, one of something else, etc.
>>>> They all grew up together which helps,... I learned from experience
>>>> when raising them in the 90s. The males are also more colorful for a
>>>> display tank. Many females look a bit drab. There was some aggression
>>>> naturally, but not like what went on in the breeding tanks. :-( And
>>>> there was a lot of rockwork that was changed around monthly when I did
>>>> the gravel vac number. I used regular gravel, added extra Magnesium to
>>>> the water and lots and lots of free limestone rocks from behind the
>>>> house. The filter was a large Aquaclear. I found males were less
>>>> aggressive towards others when there were no females of their species
>>>> (is that the right word?) present. Someday I'll probably set up
>>>> another Malawi tank.......... they were truly beautiful.
>> ==========================================
>>> OK, this works by keeping different genus and species. Same genus,
>>> different species can still cause problems. If you were trying to do
>>> this with the same species/genus, it's impossible with most of them, as
>>> the males can delay showing their sex until they are too old to be mixed
>>> together with other males. I also love African tanks for their color,
>>> activity level and social behaviour. Perhaps not for beginners as it
>>> can be frustrating, but once a recipe is established, it can work quite
>>> well for a few years.
>> ======================
>> I started with about 12 young Malawi's and as they grew and developed I
>> had to cull them out anyway as they can get large. As they matured I
>> removed the most aggressive, the least attractive and what I was sure
>> were females. There was a stable group of 7 or 8 left when we moved. I
>> sold them. I had to cut back drastically on the fish for awhile at that
>> time.
>
> definiately a very impressive looking variey. i'm going to have to take
> some time reading up on them a bit more. thanks. :-)


In that case, start here:
http://www.cichlidrecipe.com/
...complete with stocking suggestions, 55g is on this page:
http://www.cichlidrecipe.com/cichlidrecipe/crp22.htm
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[NetMax]

"Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
...
>
> "NetMax" wrote...
>> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "NetMax" wrote...
>>>> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>
> <snip>
>
>> 8 Congo tetras (large flashy active, top to mid swimmers)
>> 5 Thick lipped gourami (larger hardy version of the Dwarf gourami, Colisa
>> labiosa instead of C. lalia, mid-upper levels).
>> 12 Harlequin rasboras (small shoaling, brings the brown hues upward with
>> their copper coloring, mid swimmers)
>> 8 Ruby barbs (med, active, comical, mid to lower level swimmers)
>> 6 Keyhole cichlids (small, lower level, somewhat shy, will not
>> over-reproduce, adds an extra element of life as their behaviour/motions
>> are 'cichlid' rather than 'tetra'.
>> 6 Arched corydoras (C.arcuatus, bottom crew, white underbelly would
>> contrast nicely on a brown-red substrate).
>> 1 Ancistrus (algae crew, never to be seen again)
>
> what would you recommend as a substitute to the cichlids?

I wouldn't. The Keyholes are very passive and small. Probably less trouble
than the Rubys or Gouramis. If you wanted something similar in size, color
and living zone, then the American Flagfish comes to mind (a type of
killifish I think). He is also a good algae eater (for certain types of
algae).

> on another note, what type of a mix would work with/include pictus cats?

Pictus are non-stop vacuum cleaners with big mouths, sweeping barbels and
voracious appetites. For tankmates, any fish which is small enough to be
eaten, will be (forget ever seeing any fry). Any fish which is slow to
feed, could starve. Any fish which likes tranquility will 'tolerate' the
pictus's habit of perpetual motion. Not an easy fish to find good
neighbours for. I would stick with medium-large fish. The pictus
themselves are easy to care for. Tolerant of most neighbours, eats
everything, not overly particular about water conditions.
http://www.scotcat.com/factsheets/pimelodus_pictus.htm
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[Steve]

Steve wrote:

>
> The rainbowfish mixed well with all the fish, the only exception being
> when I temporarily introduced a goldfish to eat blue-green algae. The
> goldfish fins became a bit ragged after a week and I blamed the
> rainbowfish.
>

The large full-grown Boesmani rainbows devoured some of the tiny white
clouds I bought from the fish store. I kept the white clouds in another
aquarium until they grew larger.

Steve

[Gill Passman]

NetMax wrote:
> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"Koi-lo" wrote...
>>
>>>"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>"Koi-lo" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>There's nothing to it as long as they're not males of the same type.
>>>>>IOW I would have the store pick out "males only" where ever possible.
>>>>>One fuelleborni, one peacock, one rusty, one of something else, etc.
>>>>>They all grew up together which helps,... I learned from experience
>>>>>when raising them in the 90s. The males are also more colorful for a
>>>>>display tank. Many females look a bit drab. There was some aggression
>>>>>naturally, but not like what went on in the breeding tanks. :-( And
>>>>>there was a lot of rockwork that was changed around monthly when I did
>>>>>the gravel vac number. I used regular gravel, added extra Magnesium to
>>>>>the water and lots and lots of free limestone rocks from behind the
>>>>>house. The filter was a large Aquaclear. I found males were less
>>>>>aggressive towards others when there were no females of their species
>>>>>(is that the right word?) present. Someday I'll probably set up
>>>>>another Malawi tank.......... they were truly beautiful.
>>>
>>>==========================================
>>>
>>>>OK, this works by keeping different genus and species. Same genus,
>>>>different species can still cause problems. If you were trying to do
>>>>this with the same species/genus, it's impossible with most of them, as
>>>>the males can delay showing their sex until they are too old to be mixed
>>>>together with other males. I also love African tanks for their color,
>>>>activity level and social behaviour. Perhaps not for beginners as it
>>>>can be frustrating, but once a recipe is established, it can work quite
>>>>well for a few years.
>>>
>>>======================
>>>I started with about 12 young Malawi's and as they grew and developed I
>>>had to cull them out anyway as they can get large. As they matured I
>>>removed the most aggressive, the least attractive and what I was sure
>>>were females. There was a stable group of 7 or 8 left when we moved. I
>>>sold them. I had to cut back drastically on the fish for awhile at that
>>>time.
>>
>>definiately a very impressive looking variey. i'm going to have to take
>>some time reading up on them a bit more. thanks. :-)
>
>
>
> In that case, start here:
> http://www.cichlidrecipe.com/
> ..complete with stocking suggestions, 55g is on this page:
> http://www.cichlidrecipe.com/cichlidrecipe/crp22.htm

another good place is:-

http://www.malawimayhem.com/

One word of caution though...if you are looking for a peaceful tank I
wouldn't go down this route. It is possible but needs the right mix of
males/females, species and lots of rockwork...it looks great but mine is
forever giving me worries with the Mbuna in fighting...

Great blue fish though, if that's what your SO is after....

Gill

[Koi-lo]

"Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
...
>
> comments, suggestions, criticisms?
=========================
I would just suggest you avoid all the high maintenance and expensive fish
but you seem to have that in mind already. Also avoid known fin nippers
(tiger barbs), those that grow large and aggressive, those that rearrange
the tank for you (many SA cichlids), those that breed easily and take over a
tank (Convict cichlids and Angels) and those known to eat anything they can
get their mouths over (catfish especially), and those that will not do well
in the PH of your tap water........ good luck! :-)
--

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[Larry Blanchard]

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:57:09 -0700, Tedd Jacobs wrote:

> as an addition to this list, the wife has said "anything blue"... (dont
> ask).

Adult neon rainbows in good health are blue. Or at least have a definite
blue cast.

[Gill Passman]

Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:57:09 -0700, Tedd Jacobs wrote:
>
>
>>as an addition to this list, the wife has said "anything blue"... (dont
>>ask).
>
>
> Adult neon rainbows in good health are blue. Or at least have a definite
> blue cast.

Boesmani rainbows are yellow and blue and look great....Some LFS's round
here sell what they describe as "Blue Rainbows" - blue at the bottom and
silver at the top....

Nice fish - I've got some Boesmani and am looking to get more when I
have more space

Gill

[Steve]

Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:57:09 -0700, Tedd Jacobs wrote:
>
>
>>as an addition to this list, the wife has said "anything blue"... (dont
>>ask).
>
>
> Adult neon rainbows in good health are blue. Or at least have a definite
> blue cast.

Yes, neon dwarf rainbowfish are shiny, almost iridescent blue with red
fins and very beautiful. They only grow to about 3 or 3.5 inches body
length instead of the 5 inches plus of other rainbowfish.

As mentioned in another post, I have some of the dwarf neon rainbowfish
for > 1 year now. The only drawback is, they were fairly expensive
because they're new. Mine were $10 or $15 Canadian each. Well worth it,
though.
Steve

[NetMax]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
...
> NetMax wrote:
>> "Tedd Jacobs" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>"Koi-lo" wrote...
>>>
>>>>"NetMax" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>>"Koi-lo" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>>There's nothing to it as long as they're not males of the same
>>>>>>type. IOW I would have the store pick out "males only" where ever
>>>>>>possible. One fuelleborni, one peacock, one rusty, one of something
>>>>>>else, etc. They all grew up together which helps,... I learned from
>>>>>>experience when raising them in the 90s. The males are also more
>>>>>>colorful for a display tank. Many females look a bit drab. There
>>>>>>was some aggression naturally, but not like what went on in the
>>>>>>breeding tanks. :-( And there was a lot of rockwork that was
>>>>>>changed around monthly when I did the gravel vac number. I used
>>>>>>regular gravel, added extra Magnesium to the water and lots and
>>>>>>lots of free limestone rocks from behind the house. The filter was
>>>>>>a large Aquaclear. I found males were less aggressive towards
>>>>>>others when there were no females of their species (is that the
>>>>>>right word?) present. Someday I'll probably set up another Malawi
>>>>>>tank.......... they were truly beautiful.
>>>>
>>>>==========================================
>>>>
>>>>>OK, this works by keeping different genus and species. Same genus,
>>>>>different species can still cause problems. If you were trying to
>>>>>do this with the same species/genus, it's impossible with most of
>>>>>them, as the males can delay showing their sex until they are too
>>>>>old to be mixed together with other males. I also love African
>>>>>tanks for their color, activity level and social behaviour. Perhaps
>>>>>not for beginners as it can be frustrating, but once a recipe is
>>>>>established, it can work quite well for a few years.
>>>>
>>>>======================
>>>>I started with about 12 young Malawi's and as they grew and developed
>>>>I had to cull them out anyway as they can get large. As they matured
>>>>I removed the most aggressive, the least attractive and what I was
>>>>sure were females. There was a stable group of 7 or 8 left when we
>>>>moved. I sold them. I had to cut back drastically on the fish for
>>>>awhile at that time.
>>>
>>>definiately a very impressive looking variey. i'm going to have to
>>>take some time reading up on them a bit more. thanks. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> In that case, start here:
>> http://www.cichlidrecipe.com/
>> ..complete with stocking suggestions, 55g is on this page:
>> http://www.cichlidrecipe.com/cichlidrecipe/crp22.htm
>
> another good place is:-
>
> http://www.malawimayhem.com/
>
> One word of caution though...if you are looking for a peaceful tank I
> wouldn't go down this route. It is possible but needs the right mix of
> males/females, species and lots of rockwork...it looks great but mine
> is forever giving me worries with the Mbuna in fighting...
>
> Great blue fish though, if that's what your SO is after....
>
> Gill

My SO's favourite blue fish were the Cyrtocara moorii, (her blue
dolphins) which were very peaceful considering their size.
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> >> "Victor Martinez" wrote...
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> >> >> any and all suggested mix welcome. :-)
>
> <snip>
>
> > I highly recommend the silver dollars. They, in my opinion, are
> > easily more peaceful than angelfish. I have had my silver dollars for
> > approximately 2 years now and they are great. I keep live plants
> > available for food for them just in case but the live plants are
> > never eaten and are not required as the silver dollars eat the algae
> > wafers (plus miscellaneous green produce occasionally) I feed them (2
> > silver dollars = 3 algae wafers a day, 2 in the morning and 1 in the
> > evening). If I a not mistaken a great very many silver dollars can be
> > kept together without fighting as long as they are fed properly (they
> > are herbivorous if I am not mistaken) and are not overcrowded. Good
> > luck and later!
>
> what would be a good mix that includes two or three of them?
>
>
>
>
>
>

I am pretty sure my 2 are both males but they do TRY to breed, If I had a
choice (which might present itself soon) I wouod have 2 females to one male
but from the old literature I have on them they are so peaceful you don't
really need to worry about sex ratios with them. Their great fish and won't
pull a guppy on you (i.e. breed until all other types of fish are crowded
out) I don't know if they are breedable besides mine trying, and my old
literature (approximately 1966) says that up until then none had been
successfully bred, but that easily may have changed since. Good luck and
later (enjoy the silver dollars when you get them)!

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