Tank for my CL loach?

[Justice]

Is a 20 gal enough room for 2 cl Loaches well I would like to get
another so is it good for 3, and maybe 5 or so small schooling fish?
Probably my 3 glowlights+2 more, I have 30" so I could get 25-29gal but
limited budget to $150CDN

also I have a few snails left from my yoyo loach tank. How would I use
my 10 gal that my cl loaches now reside, into a snail farm for the
loaches I don't want thousands but a few net fulls every couple of weeks
to give to the loaches? Any Ideas thoughts would be welcome.

TIA

[Dick]

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:43:42 GMT, Justice
> wrote:

>Is a 20 gal enough room for 2 cl Loaches well I would like to get
>another so is it good for 3, and maybe 5 or so small schooling fish?
>Probably my 3 glowlights+2 more, I have 30" so I could get 25-29gal but
>limited budget to $150CDN
>
>also I have a few snails left from my yoyo loach tank. How would I use
>my 10 gal that my cl loaches now reside, into a snail farm for the
>loaches I don't want thousands but a few net fulls every couple of weeks
>to give to the loaches? Any Ideas thoughts would be welcome.
>
>TIA

I have had 3 in a 29 gallon and 2 in a 10 gallon tank for well over 2
years. Tank size for Clown Loaches has been discussed many times in
this group the last month.

How big will the Clowns get and does their living in a small tank
"runt" them? My Clowns are all about 4 to 5 inches regardless which
tank they live in (6 more in a 75 gallon tank). They eat well and
have good color. I would not hesitate to put 3 in a 20 gallon tank.

dick

[Koi-lo]

"Justice" > wrote in message
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> Is a 20 gal enough room for 2 cl Loaches well I would like to get another
> so is it good for 3, and maybe 5 or so small schooling fish? Probably my 3
> glowlights+2 more, I have 30" so I could get 25-29gal but limited budget
> to $150CDN
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[§tudz]

"Justice" > wrote in message
news:Ocpvf.43790$m05.1285@clgrps12...
> Is a 20 gal enough room for 2 cl Loaches well I would like to get another
> so is it good for 3, and maybe 5 or so small schooling fish? Probably my 3
> glowlights+2 more, I have 30" so I could get 25-29gal but limited budget
> to $150CDN
>
> also I have a few snails left from my yoyo loach tank. How would I use my
> 10 gal that my cl loaches now reside, into a snail farm for the loaches I
> don't want thousands but a few net fulls every couple of weeks to give to
> the loaches? Any Ideas thoughts would be welcome.
>
> TIA

A note about "snail farm" CLs aren't that great at eating snails, they DO
eat them true, but if enough other food is supplied they will leave them
alone.
Chain loach, which are much smaller, and a little more expensive (at least
they are here in the uk) are better at this, I had two which cleaned my
25ltr Hex tank, in a few weeks, and it was over run, with snails.

CLs are slow growing and can live for 30+ yrs, so a 25-29gal should be fine.
I've had two in a 15gall for 12months, but I have just got a 31gallon tank,
and the one which is left now lives in that. The other died because I made a
silly mistake and accidently put him in a bucket which I was using to bleach
dip plants with hair algae on. (he was hiding TOO will in a fake log)

:'(

§tudz

[Marco Schwarz]

Hi..

> Is a 20 gal enough room for 2 cl Loaches well I would like
> to get another so is it good for 3, and maybe 5 or so
> small schooling fish? Probably my 3 glowlights+2 more, I
> have 30" so I could get 25-29gal but limited budget to
> $150CDN

Thanks for that first step into the right direction! I think
your Clowns would say "Thank you, Justice!", too! :-)

Try to get that new tank as big as possible.

> also I have a few snails left from my yoyo loach tank. How
> would I use my 10 gal that my cl loaches now reside, into
> a snail farm for the loaches I don't want thousands but a
> few net fulls every couple of weeks to give to the
> loaches? Any Ideas thoughts would be welcome.

In rooms cool water snails mostly need no heater or aquarium
to grow and multiply. Simple buckets with some life sand or
gravel, a few elodea, day light and possibly an little air
stone might be perfect snail breeders, too.

So you finally could reserve your 10g tank for some other
interesting fish. ;-)

Good luck!

--
cu
Marco

[Justice]

§tudz wrote:
> "Justice" > wrote in message
> news:Ocpvf.43790$m05.1285@clgrps12...
>
>>Is a 20 gal enough room for 2 cl Loaches well I would like to get another
>>so is it good for 3, and maybe 5 or so small schooling fish? Probably my 3
>>glowlights+2 more, I have 30" so I could get 25-29gal but limited budget
>>to $150CDN
>>
>>also I have a few snails left from my yoyo loach tank. How would I use my
>>10 gal that my cl loaches now reside, into a snail farm for the loaches I
>>don't want thousands but a few net fulls every couple of weeks to give to
>>the loaches? Any Ideas thoughts would be welcome.
>>
>>TIA
>
>
> A note about "snail farm" CLs aren't that great at eating snails, they DO
> eat them true, but if enough other food is supplied they will leave them
> alone.

A note about my clown loaches. The reason I got the CL loaches was to
eat snails, My tank that they are currently in when I got it had about
2-3 thousand snails(yes it was an epidemic when lights went out all you
see was snails). now mt gravel has become about 1/4" higher with snail
shells. So I went from when I got them I probably had 5 or so thousand
snails, now I'm ammazed when I see 1 which I havent in a month or so. I
have other fish in the tank and when I got my CL loaces I was still new
to the hobby and was over feeding? IMO loaches don't stop eating. Well
my cl and yoyo's don't stop eating anyway.

> Chain loach, which are much smaller, and a little more expensive (at least
> they are here in the uk) are better at this, I had two which cleaned my
> 25ltr Hex tank, in a few weeks, and it was over run, with snails.
>
> CLs are slow growing and can live for 30+ yrs, so a 25-29gal should be fine.
> I've had two in a 15gall for 12months, but I have just got a 31gallon tank,
> and the one which is left now lives in that. The other died because I made a
> silly mistake and accidently put him in a bucket which I was using to bleach
> dip plants with hair algae on. (he was hiding TOO will in a fake log)
>
> :'(
>
> §tudz
>
>

[Justice]

Marco Schwarz wrote:
> Hi..
>
>
>>Is a 20 gal enough room for 2 cl Loaches well I would like
>>to get another so is it good for 3, and maybe 5 or so
>>small schooling fish? Probably my 3 glowlights+2 more, I
>>have 30" so I could get 25-29gal but limited budget to
>>$150CDN
>
>
> Thanks for that first step into the right direction! I think
> your Clowns would say "Thank you, Justice!", too! :-)
>
> Try to get that new tank as big as possible.
>
>
>>also I have a few snails left from my yoyo loach tank. How
>>would I use my 10 gal that my cl loaches now reside, into
>>a snail farm for the loaches I don't want thousands but a
>>few net fulls every couple of weeks to give to the
>>loaches? Any Ideas thoughts would be welcome.
>
>
> In rooms cool water snails mostly need no heater or aquarium
> to grow and multiply. Simple buckets with some life sand or
> gravel, a few elodea, day light and possibly an little air
> stone might be perfect snail breeders, too.
>
> So you finally could reserve your 10g tank for some other
> interesting fish. ;-)
>
> Good luck!
>
That was my plan I'm thinking of some fancy guppys and snails. I don't
want a snail farm just a breedry.

Thanks

[Justice]

Dick wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:43:42 GMT, Justice
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Is a 20 gal enough room for 2 cl Loaches well I would like to get
>>another so is it good for 3, and maybe 5 or so small schooling fish?
>>Probably my 3 glowlights+2 more, I have 30" so I could get 25-29gal but
>>limited budget to $150CDN
>>
>>also I have a few snails left from my yoyo loach tank. How would I use
>>my 10 gal that my cl loaches now reside, into a snail farm for the
>>loaches I don't want thousands but a few net fulls every couple of weeks
>>to give to the loaches? Any Ideas thoughts would be welcome.
>>
>>TIA
>
>
> I have had 3 in a 29 gallon and 2 in a 10 gallon tank for well over 2
> years. Tank size for Clown Loaches has been discussed many times in
> this group the last month.
>
> How big will the Clowns get and does their living in a small tank
> "runt" them? My Clowns are all about 4 to 5 inches regardless which
> tank they live in (6 more in a 75 gallon tank). They eat well and
> have good color. I would not hesitate to put 3 in a 20 gallon tank.
>
> dick

Well the colour on them is good nice bright orange red and black, And
the click away so I guss there good.

Thanks

[Elaine T]

§tudz wrote:
> "Justice" > wrote in message
> news:Ocpvf.43790$m05.1285@clgrps12...
>
>>Is a 20 gal enough room for 2 cl Loaches well I would like to get another
>>so is it good for 3, and maybe 5 or so small schooling fish? Probably my 3
>>glowlights+2 more, I have 30" so I could get 25-29gal but limited budget
>>to $150CDN
>>
>>also I have a few snails left from my yoyo loach tank. How would I use my
>>10 gal that my cl loaches now reside, into a snail farm for the loaches I
>>don't want thousands but a few net fulls every couple of weeks to give to
>>the loaches? Any Ideas thoughts would be welcome.
>>
>>TIA
>
>
> A note about "snail farm" CLs aren't that great at eating snails, they DO
> eat them true, but if enough other food is supplied they will leave them
> alone.
> Chain loach, which are much smaller, and a little more expensive (at least
> they are here in the uk) are better at this, I had two which cleaned my
> 25ltr Hex tank, in a few weeks, and it was over run, with snails.
>
> CLs are slow growing and can live for 30+ yrs, so a 25-29gal should be fine.
> I've had two in a 15gall for 12months, but I have just got a 31gallon tank,
> and the one which is left now lives in that. The other died because I made a
> silly mistake and accidently put him in a bucket which I was using to bleach
> dip plants with hair algae on. (he was hiding TOO will in a fake log)
>
> :'(
>
> §tudz
>
>
Funny how we all have different experiences. I had three clowns in a 29
gallon plant tank that cleaned it of all snails. They eventually
outgrew the 29 so I moved them to a 55, where they continued their very
effective snail patrol. I have a chain loach now in my 15 gallon plant
tank who is somewhat of a slacker and I have to pick snails out by hand.

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[Gill Passman]

Elaine T wrote:
> §tudz wrote:
>
>> "Justice" > wrote in message
>> news:Ocpvf.43790$m05.1285@clgrps12...
>>
>>> Is a 20 gal enough room for 2 cl Loaches well I would like to get
>>> another so is it good for 3, and maybe 5 or so small schooling fish?
>>> Probably my 3 glowlights+2 more, I have 30" so I could get 25-29gal
>>> but limited budget to $150CDN
>>>
>>> also I have a few snails left from my yoyo loach tank. How would I
>>> use my 10 gal that my cl loaches now reside, into a snail farm for
>>> the loaches I don't want thousands but a few net fulls every couple
>>> of weeks to give to the loaches? Any Ideas thoughts would be welcome.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>
>>
>>
>> A note about "snail farm" CLs aren't that great at eating snails, they
>> DO eat them true, but if enough other food is supplied they will leave
>> them alone.
>> Chain loach, which are much smaller, and a little more expensive (at
>> least they are here in the uk) are better at this, I had two which
>> cleaned my 25ltr Hex tank, in a few weeks, and it was over run, with
>> snails.
>>
>> CLs are slow growing and can live for 30+ yrs, so a 25-29gal should be
>> fine. I've had two in a 15gall for 12months, but I have just got a
>> 31gallon tank, and the one which is left now lives in that. The other
>> died because I made a silly mistake and accidently put him in a bucket
>> which I was using to bleach dip plants with hair algae on. (he was
>> hiding TOO will in a fake log)
>>
>> :'(
>>
>> §tudz
>>
> Funny how we all have different experiences. I had three clowns in a 29
> gallon plant tank that cleaned it of all snails. They eventually
> outgrew the 29 so I moved them to a 55, where they continued their very
> effective snail patrol. I have a chain loach now in my 15 gallon plant
> tank who is somewhat of a slacker and I have to pick snails out by hand.
>

I have a snail epidemic in my 15 gall at the moment and was curious
about using some chain loaches to clear them but it looks like they
might be a hit and miss affair. The Yoyos do a good job in the 30 gall
but we have had local quality issues (which I've been told have been
resolved and current stock is healthy) - I've also noticed if they do
survive they grow big quite quickly - one of my survivors was only 1"
long in Sept (looked like a little wasp) but is now a good 2" plus. I'm
tempted to get Clowns as it will be a temporary situation housing wise
(around 1 month max) but now instead of Yoyos there are local quality
issues with Clown Loaches...my current favourite place won't stock them
at the moment...

[Victor Martinez]

§tudz wrote:
> CLs are slow growing and can live for 30+ yrs, so a 25-29gal should be fine.

Not all CLs are slow growers. Two of mine (~2 yrs old) are over 6",
while their brethren linger at 3-4".

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[NetMax]

"Gill Passman" > wrote in message
.. .
> Elaine T wrote:
>> §tudz wrote:
>>
>>> "Justice" > wrote in message
>>> news:Ocpvf.43790$m05.1285@clgrps12...
>>>
>>>> Is a 20 gal enough room for 2 cl Loaches well I would like to get
>>>> another so is it good for 3, and maybe 5 or so small schooling fish?
>>>> Probably my 3 glowlights+2 more, I have 30" so I could get 25-29gal
>>>> but limited budget to $150CDN
>>>>
>>>> also I have a few snails left from my yoyo loach tank. How would I
>>>> use my 10 gal that my cl loaches now reside, into a snail farm for
>>>> the loaches I don't want thousands but a few net fulls every couple
>>>> of weeks to give to the loaches? Any Ideas thoughts would be
>>>> welcome.
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A note about "snail farm" CLs aren't that great at eating snails,
>>> they DO eat them true, but if enough other food is supplied they will
>>> leave them alone.
>>> Chain loach, which are much smaller, and a little more expensive (at
>>> least they are here in the uk) are better at this, I had two which
>>> cleaned my 25ltr Hex tank, in a few weeks, and it was over run, with
>>> snails.
>>>
>>> CLs are slow growing and can live for 30+ yrs, so a 25-29gal should
>>> be fine. I've had two in a 15gall for 12months, but I have just got a
>>> 31gallon tank, and the one which is left now lives in that. The other
>>> died because I made a silly mistake and accidently put him in a
>>> bucket which I was using to bleach dip plants with hair algae on. (he
>>> was hiding TOO will in a fake log)
>>>
>>> :'(
>>>
>>> §tudz
>>>
>> Funny how we all have different experiences. I had three clowns in a
>> 29 gallon plant tank that cleaned it of all snails. They eventually
>> outgrew the 29 so I moved them to a 55, where they continued their
>> very effective snail patrol. I have a chain loach now in my 15 gallon
>> plant tank who is somewhat of a slacker and I have to pick snails out
>> by hand.
>>
>
> I have a snail epidemic in my 15 gall at the moment and was curious
> about using some chain loaches to clear them but it looks like they
> might be a hit and miss affair. The Yoyos do a good job in the 30 gall
> but we have had local quality issues (which I've been told have been
> resolved and current stock is healthy) - I've also noticed if they do
> survive they grow big quite quickly - one of my survivors was only 1"
> long in Sept (looked like a little wasp) but is now a good 2" plus. I'm
> tempted to get Clowns as it will be a temporary situation housing wise
> (around 1 month max) but now instead of Yoyos there are local quality
> issues with Clown Loaches...my current favourite place won't stock them
> at the moment...


lol, I find Yoyos can be hit & miss, but I heard Zebra loaches (Botia
striata) are more carnivorous (better snailers).
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[Dick]

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:48:01 GMT, Elaine T >
wrote:

>§tudz wrote:
>> "Justice" > wrote in message
>> news:Ocpvf.43790$m05.1285@clgrps12...
>>
>>>Is a 20 gal enough room for 2 cl Loaches well I would like to get another
>>>so is it good for 3, and maybe 5 or so small schooling fish? Probably my 3
>>>glowlights+2 more, I have 30" so I could get 25-29gal but limited budget
>>>to $150CDN
>>>
>>>also I have a few snails left from my yoyo loach tank. How would I use my
>>>10 gal that my cl loaches now reside, into a snail farm for the loaches I
>>>don't want thousands but a few net fulls every couple of weeks to give to
>>>the loaches? Any Ideas thoughts would be welcome.
>>>
>>>TIA
>>
>>
>> A note about "snail farm" CLs aren't that great at eating snails, they DO
>> eat them true, but if enough other food is supplied they will leave them
>> alone.
>> Chain loach, which are much smaller, and a little more expensive (at least
>> they are here in the uk) are better at this, I had two which cleaned my
>> 25ltr Hex tank, in a few weeks, and it was over run, with snails.
>>
>> CLs are slow growing and can live for 30+ yrs, so a 25-29gal should be fine.
>> I've had two in a 15gall for 12months, but I have just got a 31gallon tank,
>> and the one which is left now lives in that. The other died because I made a
>> silly mistake and accidently put him in a bucket which I was using to bleach
>> dip plants with hair algae on. (he was hiding TOO will in a fake log)
>>
>> :'(
>>
>> §tudz
>>
>>
>Funny how we all have different experiences. I had three clowns in a 29
>gallon plant tank that cleaned it of all snails. They eventually
>outgrew the 29 so I moved them to a 55, where they continued their very
>effective snail patrol. I have a chain loach now in my 15 gallon plant
>tank who is somewhat of a slacker and I have to pick snails out by hand.

I am curious Elaine, why do you say they "outgrew the 29?" What led
you to believe the tank size was becomming a problem?

dick

[Dick]

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:16:27 -0600, Victor Martinez >
wrote:

>§tudz wrote:
>> CLs are slow growing and can live for 30+ yrs, so a 25-29gal should be fine.
>
>Not all CLs are slow growers. Two of mine (~2 yrs old) are over 6",
>while their brethren linger at 3-4".

What size tank are they in and what kind of diet?

You are into the heart of the many discussions in this group over
Clown growth and size. I wonder if your experience can shed some
light about why our experience varies so widely?

I have 11 Clowns for 2 1/2 years in 3 tanks 75, 29 and 10 gallons.
They have hardly grown at all in the last 1 1/2 years and now run
about 4 inches.

Any idea why yours, at a similar age (or are they? How do we know how
old our fish are when purchased?)?

The first year I really was concerned about this growth issue. I am
already accepting the Clowns will outlive me, at least for awhile! <g>

dick

[Victor Martinez]

Dick wrote:
> What size tank are they in and what kind of diet?

110g, heavily planted. They eat hikari sinking pellets and some of them
come out to eat bloodworms and other frozen treats.

> Any idea why yours, at a similar age (or are they? How do we know how
> old our fish are when purchased?)?

I have no idea. I bought all my CL about the same time, 2 years ago or
so, 6 of them from an online vendor. They were all roughly the same size
when I got them (1.5-2"). Some are more outgoing than others, the big
ones only show themselves at dusk and dawn, they spend the rest of the
time hidden in their caves.


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[Gill Passman]

NetMax wrote:
> "Gill Passman" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>Elaine T wrote:
>>
>>>§tudz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Justice" > wrote in message
>>>>news:Ocpvf.43790$m05.1285@clgrps12...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Is a 20 gal enough room for 2 cl Loaches well I would like to get
>>>>>another so is it good for 3, and maybe 5 or so small schooling fish?
>>>>>Probably my 3 glowlights+2 more, I have 30" so I could get 25-29gal
>>>>>but limited budget to $150CDN
>>>>>
>>>>>also I have a few snails left from my yoyo loach tank. How would I
>>>>>use my 10 gal that my cl loaches now reside, into a snail farm for
>>>>>the loaches I don't want thousands but a few net fulls every couple
>>>>>of weeks to give to the loaches? Any Ideas thoughts would be
>>>>>welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>>TIA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A note about "snail farm" CLs aren't that great at eating snails,
>>>>they DO eat them true, but if enough other food is supplied they will
>>>>leave them alone.
>>>>Chain loach, which are much smaller, and a little more expensive (at
>>>>least they are here in the uk) are better at this, I had two which
>>>>cleaned my 25ltr Hex tank, in a few weeks, and it was over run, with
>>>>snails.
>>>>
>>>>CLs are slow growing and can live for 30+ yrs, so a 25-29gal should
>>>>be fine. I've had two in a 15gall for 12months, but I have just got a
>>>>31gallon tank, and the one which is left now lives in that. The other
>>>>died because I made a silly mistake and accidently put him in a
>>>>bucket which I was using to bleach dip plants with hair algae on. (he
>>>>was hiding TOO will in a fake log)
>>>>
>>>>:'(
>>>>
>>>>§tudz
>>>>
>>>
>>>Funny how we all have different experiences. I had three clowns in a
>>>29 gallon plant tank that cleaned it of all snails. They eventually
>>>outgrew the 29 so I moved them to a 55, where they continued their
>>>very effective snail patrol. I have a chain loach now in my 15 gallon
>>>plant tank who is somewhat of a slacker and I have to pick snails out
>>>by hand.
>>>
>>
>>I have a snail epidemic in my 15 gall at the moment and was curious
>>about using some chain loaches to clear them but it looks like they
>>might be a hit and miss affair. The Yoyos do a good job in the 30 gall
>>but we have had local quality issues (which I've been told have been
>>resolved and current stock is healthy) - I've also noticed if they do
>>survive they grow big quite quickly - one of my survivors was only 1"
>>long in Sept (looked like a little wasp) but is now a good 2" plus. I'm
>>tempted to get Clowns as it will be a temporary situation housing wise
>>(around 1 month max) but now instead of Yoyos there are local quality
>>issues with Clown Loaches...my current favourite place won't stock them
>>at the moment...
>
>
>
> lol, I find Yoyos can be hit & miss, but I heard Zebra loaches (Botia
> striata) are more carnivorous (better snailers).

Maybe my best bet is to go to the LFS and ask which are the healthiest
Botia they have in stock and try them (they've got a good selection
except no Clowns at the moment)...I like loaches anyway and will soon
have plenty of space if they get too large for the 15 gall <g>

Gill

[§tudz]

"Victor Martinez" > wrote in message
...
> Dick wrote:
>> What size tank are they in and what kind of diet?
>
> 110g, heavily planted. They eat hikari sinking pellets and some of them
> come out to eat bloodworms and other frozen treats.
>
>> Any idea why yours, at a similar age (or are they? How do we know how
>> old our fish are when purchased?)?
>
> I have no idea. I bought all my CL about the same time, 2 years ago or so,
> 6 of them from an online vendor. They were all roughly the same size when
> I got them (1.5-2"). Some are more outgoing than others, the big ones only
> show themselves at dusk and dawn, they spend the rest of the time hidden
> in their caves.
>
>
> --
> Victor M. Martinez
> Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
> Send your spam here:
> Email me here:

My remaining CL is about 3" long maybe longer, and I've had him around
around 12months nearly, and he hasn't grown at all.
mine eat freeze dried blood worm, fresh blood worm, algae wafers, sinking
pellets for catfish. cucumber and zuchini, also some of the flakes that the
other fish miss as they sink.

§tudz

[Elaine T]

Dick wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:48:01 GMT, Elaine T >
> wrote:
>
>
>>§tudz wrote:
>>
>>>"Justice" > wrote in message
>>>news:Ocpvf.43790$m05.1285@clgrps12...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is a 20 gal enough room for 2 cl Loaches well I would like to get another
>>>>so is it good for 3, and maybe 5 or so small schooling fish? Probably my 3
>>>>glowlights+2 more, I have 30" so I could get 25-29gal but limited budget
>>>>to $150CDN
>>>>
>>>>also I have a few snails left from my yoyo loach tank. How would I use my
>>>>10 gal that my cl loaches now reside, into a snail farm for the loaches I
>>>>don't want thousands but a few net fulls every couple of weeks to give to
>>>>the loaches? Any Ideas thoughts would be welcome.
>>>>
>>>>TIA
>>>
>>>
>>>A note about "snail farm" CLs aren't that great at eating snails, they DO
>>>eat them true, but if enough other food is supplied they will leave them
>>>alone.
>>>Chain loach, which are much smaller, and a little more expensive (at least
>>>they are here in the uk) are better at this, I had two which cleaned my
>>>25ltr Hex tank, in a few weeks, and it was over run, with snails.
>>>
>>>CLs are slow growing and can live for 30+ yrs, so a 25-29gal should be fine.
>>>I've had two in a 15gall for 12months, but I have just got a 31gallon tank,
>>>and the one which is left now lives in that. The other died because I made a
>>>silly mistake and accidently put him in a bucket which I was using to bleach
>>>dip plants with hair algae on. (he was hiding TOO will in a fake log)
>>>
>>>:'(
>>>
>>>§tudz
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Funny how we all have different experiences. I had three clowns in a 29
>>gallon plant tank that cleaned it of all snails. They eventually
>>outgrew the 29 so I moved them to a 55, where they continued their very
>>effective snail patrol. I have a chain loach now in my 15 gallon plant
>>tank who is somewhat of a slacker and I have to pick snails out by hand.
>
>
> I am curious Elaine, why do you say they "outgrew the 29?" What led
> you to believe the tank size was becomming a problem?
>
> dick
>
The big, fat 4" loaches just looked too big for the tank! They didn't
have the swimming room I thought they deserved. The shoal would cruise
the bottom for food, but they looked more like they were doing laps
because they were big and fast and came up on the glass walls quickly.
I was also having to do a lot of water changes to keep the nitrates down.

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[Dick]

On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:48:33 -0000, "§tudz" >
wrote:

>
>"Victor Martinez" > wrote in message
...
>> Dick wrote:
>>> What size tank are they in and what kind of diet?
>>
>> 110g, heavily planted. They eat hikari sinking pellets and some of them
>> come out to eat bloodworms and other frozen treats.
>>
>>> Any idea why yours, at a similar age (or are they? How do we know how
>>> old our fish are when purchased?)?
>>
>> I have no idea. I bought all my CL about the same time, 2 years ago or so,
>> 6 of them from an online vendor. They were all roughly the same size when
>> I got them (1.5-2"). Some are more outgoing than others, the big ones only
>> show themselves at dusk and dawn, they spend the rest of the time hidden
>> in their caves.
>>
>>
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>
>My remaining CL is about 3" long maybe longer, and I've had him around
>around 12months nearly, and he hasn't grown at all.
>mine eat freeze dried blood worm, fresh blood worm, algae wafers, sinking
>pellets for catfish. cucumber and zuchini, also some of the flakes that the
>other fish miss as they sink.
>
>§tudz
>
From what has been said, I guess tank size and food are not causing
size, but more a matter of chance of the selection. If they don't go
much beyond 6 inches I think mine will be OK except the 2 in the 10
gallon tank. So far they seem to have not grown in the last year or
more.

My SAEs are bigger than any of my Clown Loaches, but they seem to have
stabalized as well. Another 5 or 10 years will tell. <g>

dick