stillborn fry?

[Far Thunder]

Hau kolas..well my hugely pregnant female a. splendens finally had her fry last night..however it looks like most of them
were either DOA or died soon thereafter..I have found one survivor, the rest, perhaps 6 or so I found lying at the bottom of
the tank in some live plant cover. Water test fine, there are predators, and in fact there are several swordtail fry swimming
around smaller than the new a. splendens fry. The dead fry are not munched upon and don't appear to have suffered any
trauma..any telltale signs if they were stillborn? the sole survivor was at the surface in floating plant cover. this is the
female's second batch of fry; I had assumed the fry from the first batch had been made short order of, being as they were
born in an African cichlid tank. I Thought I was being more proactive this time around..any guesses? ammonia=0 nitrate=0
nitrate=10 ph=7 kh=3 gh=10, heavily planted. Swordtail fry, 1 molly fry 1", and 3 small skunk botias 1.5" max are tankmates.
TIA. off to look for any more survivors.

lila pilamaya


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[Far Thunder]

Looks like total of 15 dead, still only found one survivor, looks to be comparatively small in regards to some of the dead
fry. the mother is definitely *way* deflated, but hard to imagine she really had that many largish fry in her..some of the
dead have wispy things attached to their abdomens..do livebearer fish have umbilicals or the equivalent?
"Far Thunder" > wrote in message ...
Hau kolas..well my hugely pregnant female a. splendens finally had her fry last night..however it looks like most of them
were either DOA or died soon thereafter..I have found one survivor, the rest, perhaps 6 or so I found lying at the bottom of
the tank in some live plant cover. Water test fine, there are predators, and in fact there are several swordtail fry swimming
around smaller than the new a. splendens fry. The dead fry are not munched upon and don't appear to have suffered any
trauma..any telltale signs if they were stillborn? the sole survivor was at the surface in floating plant cover. this is the
female's second batch of fry; I had assumed the fry from the first batch had been made short order of, being as they were
born in an African cichlid tank. I Thought I was being more proactive this time around..any guesses? ammonia=0 nitrate=0
nitrate=10 ph=7 kh=3 gh=10, heavily planted. Swordtail fry, 1 molly fry 1", and 3 small skunk botias 1.5" max are tankmates.
TIA. off to look for any more survivors.

lila pilamaya


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[Koi-lo]

"Far Thunder" > wrote in message
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Looks like total of 15 dead, still only found one survivor, looks to be
comparatively small in regards to some of the dead fry. the mother is
definitely *way* deflated, but hard to imagine she really had that many
largish fry in her..some of the dead have wispy things attached to their
abdomens..do livebearer fish have umbilicals or the equivalent?
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I don't know about fry imbilicals but it sounds reasonable since something
has to attach them to the yolk or the mothers uterus (for lack of a better
word where fish are concerned). I recently lost a platy female who gave
birth twice to dead fry or the fry died shortly after birth - this last time
she passed away as well. None of the other platy's are affected. She was
about 2 1/2 yrs old.
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[CanadianCray]

I know that sometimes livebearing mothers hold the babies past term to the
points that the babies & even the mothers can die if not released in time.

"Koi-lo" > wrote in message
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>
> "Far Thunder" > wrote in message
> ...
> Looks like total of 15 dead, still only found one survivor, looks to be
> comparatively small in regards to some of the dead fry. the mother is
> definitely *way* deflated, but hard to imagine she really had that many
> largish fry in her..some of the dead have wispy things attached to their
> abdomens..do livebearer fish have umbilicals or the equivalent?
> ===================
> I don't know about fry imbilicals but it sounds reasonable since something
> has to attach them to the yolk or the mothers uterus (for lack of a better
> word where fish are concerned). I recently lost a platy female who gave
> birth twice to dead fry or the fry died shortly after birth - this last
> time she passed away as well. None of the other platy's are affected.
> She was about 2 1/2 yrs old.
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>
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> Aquariums since 1952
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
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>
>
>

[Elaine T]

Far Thunder wrote:
> Looks like total of 15 dead, still only found one survivor, looks to be
> comparatively small in regards to some of the dead fry. the mother is
> definitely *way* deflated, but hard to imagine she really had that many
> largish fry in her..some of the dead have wispy things attached to their
> abdomens..do livebearer fish have umbilicals or the equivalent?

Livebearer fry have have yolk sacs which are absorbed before birth in a
normal "pregnancy". I suspect you are seeing incompletely absorbed yolk
sacs on the dead fry. Your female must have given birth early -
livebearers sometimes do that if stressed. You'd be surprised how many
babies can come out of a large female livebearer. I typically get 30-40
out of a mature female guppy.

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[Koi-lo]

"CanadianCray" > wrote in message
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>I know that sometimes livebearing mothers hold the babies past term to the
>points that the babies & even the mothers can die if not released in time.
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Evidently that's what happened to my poor little Mickey Mouse platy. When I
fed them before, I noticed a new group of golden colored fry in the Java
moss clump. :-) These are surely from one of the golden females I
purchased last month. The store didn't know the name of them. They can
crossbreed as I don't mind what color fry they have since all are so
colorful. I purchase a few every year or so to prevent excessive
inbreeding.
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Aquariums since 1952
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