I was just given 12 used & grungy 10 gal. tanks, how do I cleanthem? [Archive]

Papa Red

January 27th 06, 11:09 PM

My friend at the local fish store just gave me 12 very grungy ten gallon
aquariums. Two of them I gave to the cab driver who helped me get them
home to my small 'studio' apartment. He will be coming back later on
tonight to talk to me about him getting his very first fish, how to set
the tank up, et cetera. Thanks to you folks I have learned alot of stuff
about keeping freshwater fish, good, sound information that I can now
pass on to him and others, but I am not sure just how to thoroughly
clean this many aquariums, because you can tell that they are all 'well
used', if you know what I mean, so I need some help getting them ready
to house some wee aqua-critters. Thanks!
Pax Vobiscum,...Dean.

Charles

January 27th 06, 11:41 PM

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:09:38 -0500, (Papa Red)
wrote:

>My friend at the local fish store just gave me 12 very grungy ten gallon
>aquariums. Two of them I gave to the cab driver who helped me get them
>home to my small 'studio' apartment. He will be coming back later on
>tonight to talk to me about him getting his very first fish, how to set
>the tank up, et cetera. Thanks to you folks I have learned alot of stuff
>about keeping freshwater fish, good, sound information that I can now
>pass on to him and others, but I am not sure just how to thoroughly
>clean this many aquariums, because you can tell that they are all 'well
>used', if you know what I mean, so I need some help getting them ready
>to house some wee aqua-critters. Thanks!
> Pax Vobiscum,...Dean.

Soak them in vinegar. I just cleaned a few that way. I found a
plastic container that the tank would just fit into, doing one side at
a time. I have mineral buildup rather bad, but the vinegar softened
it enough that I was able to get most of it off.

Roy

January 27th 06, 11:43 PM

Nylon pot scrubbers work, but a good bath with 10% chlorox will do the
trick most times unless you have mineral deposits then use vinegar.
Chlorox will remove most algae growths and once rinsed and allowed to
dry there is no danger or residual chlorox left.

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:09:38 -0500, (Papa Red)
wrote:
>><>My friend at the local fish store just gave me 12 very grungy ten gallon
>><>aquariums. Two of them I gave to the cab driver who helped me get them
>><>home to my small 'studio' apartment. He will be coming back later on
>><>tonight to talk to me about him getting his very first fish, how to set
>><>the tank up, et cetera. Thanks to you folks I have learned alot of stuff
>><>about keeping freshwater fish, good, sound information that I can now
>><>pass on to him and others, but I am not sure just how to thoroughly
>><>clean this many aquariums, because you can tell that they are all 'well
>><>used', if you know what I mean, so I need some help getting them ready
>><>to house some wee aqua-critters. Thanks!
>><> Pax Vobiscum,...Dean.

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January 27th 06, 11:50 PM

"Papa Red" > wrote in message
...
but I am not sure just how to thoroughly
> clean this many aquariums, because you can tell that they are all 'well
> used', if you know what I mean, so I need some help getting them ready
> to house some wee aqua-critters. Thanks!
> Pax Vobiscum,...Dean.
==========================
Lucky you! :-)) I use LimeAway or CLR (buy at K-Mart or Wal*Mart) to clean
crusty tanks. Wipe or spray it on, let it sit for about 5 minutes and
gently scrub away all the crud. You may need to do it twice or even 3 times
if the crust is really bad, but this will not scratch the glass. Rinse well
and air before use......
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Gill Passman

January 28th 06, 12:02 AM

Elaine T

January 28th 06, 12:39 AM

Koi-lo

January 28th 06, 01:17 AM

"Elaine T" > wrote in message
et...
> If they're glass and not acrylic, once the acid soaks everyone has
> recommended are done, you can carefully scrape off any remaining deposits
> with a razor blade.
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Being careful *not* to scrape into the sealant in the corners and along the
seams.
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Papa Red

January 28th 06, 04:16 AM

Thanks for the very helpful information folks. Once I get all 15 tanks
cleaned up I plan on trying something that I have only so far read
about,...Using styrofoam to create underwater mountains, caves, nooks
and crannies, et cetera. So now I have to find that site again. And who
knows, with 15 tanks to work on, if I get good at it, I just might be
able to make some money with my abilities, rather than my
disabilities,...I have been on Social Security Disability ever since
becoming disabled in 1983. so it would be a nice change. Pax
Vobiscum,...Dean.

Bill Stock

January 28th 06, 05:20 AM

"Papa Red" > wrote in message
...
> My friend at the local fish store just gave me 12 very grungy ten gallon
> aquariums. Two of them I gave to the cab driver who helped me get them
> home to my small 'studio' apartment. He will be coming back later on
> tonight to talk to me about him getting his very first fish, how to set
> the tank up, et cetera. Thanks to you folks I have learned alot of stuff
> about keeping freshwater fish, good, sound information that I can now
> pass on to him and others, but I am not sure just how to thoroughly
> clean this many aquariums, because you can tell that they are all 'well
> used', if you know what I mean, so I need some help getting them ready
> to house some wee aqua-critters. Thanks!
> Pax Vobiscum,...Dean.

You need to send me your tanks, so I can help you clean them. Then after a
thorough test for leaks and biological contaminats I will return them to
you. Testing may take a few years though, as I need to expose numerous
species to your newly cleaned tanks. :)

Good luck with the 'new' tanks.

Curt

January 28th 06, 05:34 AM

kinda sounds like the neighbor borrowing the lawn mower. Good luck on
getting it back...lol

NetMax

January 28th 06, 03:00 PM

"Papa Red" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for the very helpful information folks. Once I get all 15 tanks
> cleaned up I plan on trying something that I have only so far read
> about,...Using styrofoam to create underwater mountains, caves, nooks
> and crannies, et cetera. So now I have to find that site again. And
> who
> knows, with 15 tanks to work on, if I get good at it, I just might be
> able to make some money with my abilities, rather than my
> disabilities,...I have been on Social Security Disability ever since
> becoming disabled in 1983. so it would be a nice change. Pax
> Vobiscum,...Dean.
>

Hi Dean, regarding the styrofoam structures, does this help?:
http://www.2cah.com/netmax/diy_projects/sculptures/sculptures.shtml
and this page is under construction
http://www.2cah.com/netmax/diy_projects/sculpture2/sculpture2.shtml

a few other sites with different techniques:
http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com/panis/pu_background.html
http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com/aquainfo/invent1.html
http://www.max-discus-dream.de/mddnew/3D-back.htm
http://www.goddijn.com/aquarium/index.htm#backwall
http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/Mark3/background.asp

and for ideas:
http://www.pangeashop.com/

Having several old tanks is good for experimenting with, but the tank's
size will challenge your designs to be quite compact. I've been asked to
make them to contract, but they would come out too expensive (my labour
is both too slow and too expensive). With enough free-time, workshop
space and process repetition, the business case would improve
considerably.

cheers & congrats on the tanks
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Roy

January 28th 06, 04:27 PM

I had the great opportunity, which I took to get all the plumbing,
pumps and tanks, lighting and substrate from the local Petco when
they changed out a heap of tanks. I even got 2 of the tall acrylic hex
shaped towers they had at the entrance and exit of the fish area all
for free just for the hauling....Tanks were acrylic, but they cleaned
up great with chlorox, and the ones that had hard mineral deposits on
were cleaned up with with white vinegar. They are all currently setup
in the barn in what used to be out feed storage room.....It looks just
like a typical Petco when you walk in the door of that room, which is
now properly called the fish room.. I have em all hooked up with a
single source filtration unit and use them mainly for breeding and
holding various breeds sperately.

I have the link to a website here somewhere that has some really nice
carved styrofoam backgrounds etc that a fellow made. He airbrushed
them and such and they really look much better than any store bought
backgrounds. He also uses the expanding foam in a can (Great Stuff) to
make backgrounds out of. When I find it , I'll post it.

Have fun
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Papa Red

January 28th 06, 04:50 PM

I have a question,...What would happen if I were to use the styrofoam
that people use in packaging?,...Would it harm the fish? I have very
little money, and I may not be able afford the materials to do
this~Dean.

Larry Blanchard

January 28th 06, 05:54 PM

NetMax wrote:
>
> Hi Dean, regarding the styrofoam structures, does this help?:
>

Don't know about Dean, but it sure helped my planning. Thanks.

I have a question. Some background building articles I've seen hide the
filter and heater behind the background. I'm concerned that doing this
in a tank that's only 12" deep would take away too much space.
Comments?

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Tynk

January 28th 06, 06:14 PM

Papa Red wrote:
> My friend at the local fish store just gave me 12 very grungy ten gallon
> aquariums. Two of them I gave to the cab driver who helped me get them
> home to my small 'studio' apartment. He will be coming back later on
> tonight to talk to me about him getting his very first fish, how to set
> the tank up, et cetera. Thanks to you folks I have learned alot of stuff
> about keeping freshwater fish, good, sound information that I can now
> pass on to him and others, but I am not sure just how to thoroughly
> clean this many aquariums, because you can tell that they are all 'well
> used', if you know what I mean, so I need some help getting them ready
> to house some wee aqua-critters. Thanks!
> Pax Vobiscum,...Dean.

Hi ya Dean!
Good to hear from you (besides email, hehe).

As for cleaning (I haven't read ahead, so if I'm repeating, sorry), if
it's calcium built up, that's easy.
Forget about vinegar. Takes too long, and doesn't do that good enough
job on very hard build up, but if it's not too bad..sure it will work.
For terribly hard to remove build up I use a razor blade, as many folks
do.
I make sure to buy stainless blades, as the other metal rusts so
quickly..sometimes even before I was done using it. Crazy.
Anyway, I make sure to fill the tank I'm cleaning, so that I'm not
scraping dry glass. That's going to easily scratch the glass, so make
sure it's wet.
Also, you must be very careful as to the direction the blade is going.
If you move it sideways, it'll scratch for sure.
Make sure to hold the blade at an angle and move in slow, specific
strokes.
The build up comes off like butter and you are left with clean glass.
= )
Other than that, I would use salt to wash it out. I like to use a white
paper towel for scrubbing too.
After you're done cleaning, check the sealer. Make sure it looks good
and then fill it up and let it sit so you can check for leaks..I do
mean fill it too....I once had a leaker but it leaked at the top. There
was a small space that wasn't sealed right, but the plastic rim hid it.
I had it replaced and now I always fill them right up to the normal
level (I do this outside with the hose) and wait an hour or so after
drying the glass off.
My neighbors thought I was nuts when I tested the 75g when it was new.
I then had to use my Python to drain it and then hubby and I moved it
onto the stand.
He thought I was crazy as well. But I would rather not find out it's
aleaker on my household floors.
Being in an aprtment, you're probably going to have to do it inside,
but they're small tanks so they're easily picked up and dumped out if
they leak.
Soooooo.....where did you get so many?
And what's going in them?
Do you have fry that need growing tanks?
We haven't chatted about fish latey just life, so catch me up. = )

NetMax

January 28th 06, 06:40 PM

"Papa Red" > wrote in message
...
>I have a question,...What would happen if I were to use the styrofoam
> that people use in packaging?,...Would it harm the fish? I have very
> little money, and I may not be able afford the materials to do
> this~Dean.

Packaging styrofoam is 'expanded' polystyrene, so afaik, it mostly has
the same properties as the 'extruded' polystyrene (fish-safe, inert,
60lbs cu.ft. buoyancy, same melting point and dissolves when exposed to
various alcohol-based liquids (such as the carrier in your typical paint
spray can). However, mechanically it breaks apart much more easily, as
the bubble to bubble bond is much lower than with the extruded material.

So, yes you can use it, but I think you'll be a bit more limited in the
designs, and carving of smaller details. For backgrounds or low
structures, you should be fine. When you get into larger pieces, you
would have to add a connecting backbone, such as running a threaded nylon
rod through. For 10g tanks, this should not be your problem. An extra
couple of epoxy coats will give you a comparable surface protection as
you would have with 'extruded' material.

One idea I had for a small tank was to get a rectangle of styrofoam the
size of the inside of the tank. Remove the top plastic strip, so the
block would be able to slide right down inside, making full contact to
all the sides. Then carve into the block the required shapes, leaving
all or most of the back and sides intact, and cut a large oval into the
front. Leave lots of crevices along the inside for plants. Paint the
tank exterior (back & sides) black to hide the algae/silicone/styrofoam
view. The look would be like scuba diving and peering into a cave.
Mechanically, since you have bottom and 3 side contact, the structure
should grip very well with some silicone. The down side, is that I have
no idea how you could remove the structure without destroying the tank,
but then the structure would be worth much more than the tank, so that
might not be as big an issue as would appear. This is a laborious but
relatively inexpensive project if you have the carving tools, the
workshop and the patience. The most expensive components (other than
your time) will be the epoxy sealant, probably about $50 for that size.
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NetMax

January 28th 06, 06:50 PM

"Larry Blanchard" > wrote in message
...
> NetMax wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dean, regarding the styrofoam structures, does this help?:
>>
>
> Don't know about Dean, but it sure helped my planning. Thanks.
>
> I have a question. Some background building articles I've seen hide
> the
> filter and heater behind the background. I'm concerned that doing this
> in a tank that's only 12" deep would take away too much space.
> Comments?
>
> --
> It's turtles, all the way down

I agree, if the plan is to leave a space between the background and the
glass for the equipment. Some other possibilities are to build the
heater into a corner and have the filter intake located in the same
heater chamber. This only leaves the filter outlet which is either fixed
(powerfilters) or you want more flexibility for arranging your water flow
(and don't want the outlet fixed). Going along this line of planning,
the background structure might become a corner structure, never reaching
the front of the tank, possibly not even reaching the opposite side.
Another possibility is to have an in-line heater or having it part of the
filter system. Ultimately, when I get to the point where I find my
design is too constrained by tank size, I upgrade the tank to something
bigger :o). These things are a lot of work, and it might not be worth
doing if there are *too* many compromises. hth
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Koi-lo

January 28th 06, 09:08 PM

"Papa Red" > wrote in message
...
>I have a question,...What would happen if I were to use the styrofoam
> that people use in packaging?,...Would it harm the fish? I have very
> little money, and I may not be able afford the materials to do
> this~Dean.
====================
No it doesn't harm the fish. I use it to float heaters in my outdoor pools
in the winter. This keeps an opening in any ice that forms so the gasses can
escape, so the fish don't suffocate. It's packing material from my computer
mainly.
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Zathoros

January 30th 06, 01:24 PM

I saw the pictures of your styrofoam mountain. It looks pretty nice. I also
noticed that you repaired the glass on that aquarium. Which I presume
entailed removing the plastic frame at the top. You also mention taking the
top off below. I was wondering what method you used to remove the top frame
when you do this? Just run a razor along both sides? I confess I used this
method on a 10 gallon with a broken pane, and perhaps I was not carefull
enough but when I pulled it off, the plastic became distressed in places as
one end came off first.

Thanks,

>
> One idea I had for a small tank was to get a rectangle of styrofoam the
> size of the inside of the tank. Remove the top plastic strip, so the
> block would be able to slide right down inside, making full contact to all
> the sides. Then carve into the block the required shapes, leaving all or
> most of the back and sides intact, and cut a large oval into the front.
> Leave lots of crevices along the inside for plants. Paint the tank
> exterior (back & sides) black to hide the algae/silicone/styrofoam view.
> The look would be like scuba diving and peering into a cave. Mechanically,
> since you have bottom and 3 side contact, the structure should grip very
> well with some silicone. The down side, is that I have no idea how you
> could remove the structure without destroying the tank, but then the
> structure would be worth much more than the tank, so that might not be as
> big an issue as would appear. This is a laborious but relatively
> inexpensive project if you have the carving tools, the workshop and the
> patience. The most expensive components (other than your time) will be
> the epoxy sealant, probably about $50 for that size.

NetMax

January 30th 06, 04:38 PM

"Zathoros" > wrote in message
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>I saw the pictures of your styrofoam mountain. It looks pretty nice. I also
>noticed that you repaired the glass on that aquarium. Which I presume
>entailed removing the plastic frame at the top. You also mention taking the
>top off below. I was wondering what method you used to remove the top frame
>when you do this? Just run a razor along both sides? I confess I used this
>method on a 10 gallon with a broken pane, and perhaps I was not carefull
>enough but when I pulled it off, the plastic became distressed in places as
>one end came off first.
>
> Thanks,

For the bottom trim, it's easy as it's an L piece (olfa knife from each
side).

For the top piece, an extra operation is needed, as it's a U shape. First
use the olfa blade (large exacto knife) on the sides as needed. Then you
need something to push down the edge of the glass under the trim piece to
break the silicone while angling the plastic upwards. On this tank, the
glass was quite thick (1/2") giving me more options, but it was also quite
long (60") making it more difficult ;~). I can't recall which method I last
used, but in the past I've either used a hacksaw blade with the end cut into
an arrow-head, or I took a metal rod or small pipe and flattened/sharpened
the end to use as a spear.

I've noticed that on some tanks, removing the trim can be quite easy,
perhaps age and the silicone did not adhere well to plastic, however on
other tanks, it's close to impossible, so use your discretion according to
your circumstances. hth
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Richard Sexton

January 30th 06, 06:01 PM

In article >,
Papa Red > wrote:
>My friend at the local fish store just gave me 12 very grungy ten gallon
>aquariums. Two of them I gave to the cab driver who helped me get them
>home to my small 'studio' apartment. He will be coming back later on
>tonight to talk to me about him getting his very first fish, how to set
>the tank up, et cetera. Thanks to you folks I have learned alot of stuff
>about keeping freshwater fish, good, sound information that I can now
>pass on to him and others, but I am not sure just how to thoroughly
>clean this many aquariums, because you can tell that they are all 'well
>used', if you know what I mean, so I need some help getting them ready
>to house some wee aqua-critters. Thanks!
> Pax Vobiscum,...Dean.
>

Go spend $2 on a gallon of white vinegar. Put it in a Pyrex
(or ceramic) container in the microwave and heat it till it's
just a little too warm to touch. Use it on a cloth and wipe away
all that impossible looking grunge.

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Richard Sexton

January 30th 06, 06:03 PM

>Lucky you! :-)) I use LimeAway or CLR (buy at K-Mart or Wal*Mart) to clean

That weird smell thye leave behind makes me nervuos. (very) WARM vinegar
works jsut as well. And is way cheaper.

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Richard Sexton

January 30th 06, 06:08 PM

One thing you could try too is making terraces on the back or
sides out of glass, siliconed in place. I too have a dozen
grungy 10 gal tanks I got last year. They're still out in the
barn waiting patiently. Recnely they've been calling me, siren-
like. Mine are drilled. Nyah nyah. :-)

Grungy may be a bit of an understanement. I found a
roughly 5 year fossilized dead rat in one when I was
bringing it home. Charming.

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Richard Sexton

January 30th 06, 06:16 PM

>Forget about vinegar. Takes too long, and doesn't do that good enough
>job on very hard build up, but if it's not too bad..sure it will work.
>For terribly hard to remove build up I use a razor blade, as many folks
>do.

Ya need to get it warm or hot for it to work quickly. If you're
careful you can use muriatic acid OUTDOORS ONLY. DO NOT USE
INDOORS. Seriously. It dissolves stuff so fast it'll make your
head swim. But there's some serious fuming there, vary vary nasty
if you like to breathe.

I use hot vinegar and am quite happy with the way it removes even
tough carbonates. That's wat I plan on cleaning mine with; I used
acid once on a bunch of tanks. It's not that much better than HOT
vinegar and my God the fuemes...

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Koi-lo

January 30th 06, 07:55 PM

"Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
...
> >Lucky you! :-)) I use LimeAway or CLR (buy at K-Mart or Wal*Mart) to
> >clean
>
> That weird smell thye leave behind makes me nervuos. (very) WARM vinegar
> works jsut as well. And is way cheaper.
==========================
The odor of LimeAway vanishes after a good rinse and airing. The smell of
vinegar makes me gag. :þ
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Roy

January 30th 06, 08:12 PM

You gag carol come on, you should be able to handle most anything
with all the garbage you normally throw out in the varioous foorums
where you get spurned....
Carol aka koi lo gagging, yea right!

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:55:54 -0600, "Koi-lo" >
wrote:
>><>
>><>"Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
...
>><>> >Lucky you! :-)) I use LimeAway or CLR (buy at K-Mart or Wal*Mart) to
>><>> >clean
>><>>
>><>> That weird smell thye leave behind makes me nervuos. (very) WARM vinegar
>><>> works jsut as well. And is way cheaper.
>><>==========================
>><>The odor of LimeAway vanishes after a good rinse and airing. The smell of
>><>vinegar makes me gag. :þ

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"Roy" > wrote in message
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> You gag carol come on, you should be able to handle most anything
> with all the garbage you normally throw out in the varioous foorums
> where you get spurned....
> Carol aka koi lo gagging, yea right!
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> On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:55:54 -0600, "Koi-lo" >
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>>><>"Richard Sexton" > wrote in message
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>>><>> >Lucky you! :-)) I use LimeAway or CLR (buy at K-Mart or Wal*Mart)
>>>to
>>><>> >clean
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>>><>> That weird smell thye leave behind makes me nervuos. (very) WARM
>>>vinegar
>>><>> works jsut as well. And is way cheaper.
>>><>==========================
>>><>The odor of LimeAway vanishes after a good rinse and airing. The smell
>>>of
>>><>vinegar makes me gag. :þ
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> The original frugal ponder ! Koi-ahoi mates....