Acclimating creatures

[Don Geddis]

Anyone know what kind of livestock _doesn't_ need to be carefully acclimated?

I know about fish and even more so invertebrates. I was "trained" to do a
careful 30-45 minute transfer of water from the new system to the holding
tank. Ideally via a slow drip, but in practice usually just by pouring cups
of tank water into the holding system every 5-10 minutes. The idea is to only
have slow changes in pH, salinity, and temperature, and to give the livestock
a chance to adapt slowly.

But I was recently told that corals only need the temperature acclimation.
Just float the bag in the tank water for 10 minutes so the temperature comes
inline, then just plop the coral into the new tank without worrying about
salinity or pH changes.

And it was also suggested to me that macroalgae (caulerpa, etc.) doesn't even
need that. Just toss the plants into the sal****er tank straight from the bag.

Anyone have experience with either of these things? Do you not bother to
slowly acclimate corals or algae, but only fish and invertebrates?

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
Stupidity: Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who never win AND
never quit are idiots. -- Despair.com

[Wayne Sallee]

How much acclimation needed depends on the creature, and
on how much of a difference there is. If there is not much
difference, then most things don't need much acclimation.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Don Geddis wrote on 1/28/2006 4:37 PM:
> Anyone know what kind of livestock _doesn't_ need to be carefully acclimated?
>
> I know about fish and even more so invertebrates. I was "trained" to do a
> careful 30-45 minute transfer of water from the new system to the holding
> tank. Ideally via a slow drip, but in practice usually just by pouring cups
> of tank water into the holding system every 5-10 minutes. The idea is to only
> have slow changes in pH, salinity, and temperature, and to give the livestock
> a chance to adapt slowly.
>
> But I was recently told that corals only need the temperature acclimation.
> Just float the bag in the tank water for 10 minutes so the temperature comes
> inline, then just plop the coral into the new tank without worrying about
> salinity or pH changes.
>
> And it was also suggested to me that macroalgae (caulerpa, etc.) doesn't even
> need that. Just toss the plants into the sal****er tank straight from the bag.
>
> Anyone have experience with either of these things? Do you not bother to
> slowly acclimate corals or algae, but only fish and invertebrates?
>
> -- Don
> __________________________________________________ _____________________________
> Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
> Stupidity: Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who never win AND
> never quit are idiots. -- Despair.com

[Wayne Sallee]

Corals and sea weed don't need any accclimation if there
is not much difference. While not all corals get exposed
at low tide, those that do experience drastic differences
in the enviromnent.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Wayne Sallee wrote on 1/28/2006 6:15 PM:
> How much acclimation needed depends on the creature, and on how much of
> a difference there is. If there is not much difference, then most things
> don't need much acclimation.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
>
> Don Geddis wrote on 1/28/2006 4:37 PM:
>
>> Anyone know what kind of livestock _doesn't_ need to be carefully
>> acclimated?
>>
>> I know about fish and even more so invertebrates. I was "trained" to
>> do a
>> careful 30-45 minute transfer of water from the new system to the holding
>> tank. Ideally via a slow drip, but in practice usually just by
>> pouring cups
>> of tank water into the holding system every 5-10 minutes. The idea is
>> to only
>> have slow changes in pH, salinity, and temperature, and to give the
>> livestock
>> a chance to adapt slowly.
>>
>> But I was recently told that corals only need the temperature
>> acclimation.
>> Just float the bag in the tank water for 10 minutes so the temperature
>> comes
>> inline, then just plop the coral into the new tank without worrying about
>> salinity or pH changes.
>>
>> And it was also suggested to me that macroalgae (caulerpa, etc.)
>> doesn't even
>> need that. Just toss the plants into the sal****er tank straight from
>> the bag.
>>
>> Anyone have experience with either of these things? Do you not bother to
>> slowly acclimate corals or algae, but only fish and invertebrates?
>>
>> -- Don
>> __________________________________________________ _____________________________
>>
>> Don Geddis
>> http://reef.geddis.org/
>> Stupidity: Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who
>> never win AND
>> never quit are idiots. -- Despair.com

[Roy]

Fo9r fish I place the fish in a container, say 1 quart container and
pour out 1 pint of it, so its got one pint in the 1 quart container.
Then over a 15 minute time span I add 1/3rd of a pint every 5 minutes
until I get it back to one quart full measure, I then pour out 1 pint,
and repeat the process, after the 2nd time around I do it once
again....using water from the aquarium. I then transfer the fish to
the tank the water came from. For start fish I increase the 5 minute
time frame to 30 minures and do it 4 or so times...

For corals, I place them on a paper towel for 1 to 3 minutes until
they fully deflate or drain out most of their water.....then I place
em in the tank, and when they inflate again its with the tanks water.
I sometimes rinse them off with a splash of fresh sal****er from the
tank as well...

Shrimp are treated lke fish and I do snails and hermits as well but
only one time for a total of 15 minutes or so.



On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:37:37 -0800, Don Geddis > wrote:
>><>Anyone know what kind of livestock _doesn't_ need to be carefully acclimated?
>><>
>><>I know about fish and even more so invertebrates. I was "trained" to do a
>><>careful 30-45 minute transfer of water from the new system to the holding
>><>tank. Ideally via a slow drip, but in practice usually just by pouring cups
>><>of tank water into the holding system every 5-10 minutes. The idea is to only
>><>have slow changes in pH, salinity, and temperature, and to give the livestock
>><>a chance to adapt slowly.
>><>
>><>But I was recently told that corals only need the temperature acclimation.
>><>Just float the bag in the tank water for 10 minutes so the temperature comes
>><>inline, then just plop the coral into the new tank without worrying about
>><>salinity or pH changes.
>><>
>><>And it was also suggested to me that macroalgae (caulerpa, etc.) doesn't even
>><>need that. Just toss the plants into the sal****er tank straight from the bag.
>><>
>><>Anyone have experience with either of these things? Do you not bother to
>><>slowly acclimate corals or algae, but only fish and invertebrates?
>><>
>><> -- Don
>><>__________________________________________________ _____________________________
>><>Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
>><>Stupidity: Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who never win AND
>><>never quit are idiots. -- Despair.com

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[Wayne Sallee]

Also shrimp are more sensetive to salinity changes, than
fish. I've had customers put cleaner shrimp in tanks that
had the salinity way off, and kill thier shrimp, and
wonder why their fish did fine, but their shrimp died. A
lot of times pet stores keep the salinity in their fish
tanks real low. That always bugged me when I would by from
a pet store, come home, and check the salinity in the bag,
and find it real low.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Roy wrote on 1/28/2006 6:45 PM:
> Fo9r fish I place the fish in a container, say 1 quart container and
> pour out 1 pint of it, so its got one pint in the 1 quart container.
> Then over a 15 minute time span I add 1/3rd of a pint every 5 minutes
> until I get it back to one quart full measure, I then pour out 1 pint,
> and repeat the process, after the 2nd time around I do it once
> again....using water from the aquarium. I then transfer the fish to
> the tank the water came from. For start fish I increase the 5 minute
> time frame to 30 minures and do it 4 or so times...
>
> For corals, I place them on a paper towel for 1 to 3 minutes until
> they fully deflate or drain out most of their water.....then I place
> em in the tank, and when they inflate again its with the tanks water.
> I sometimes rinse them off with a splash of fresh sal****er from the
> tank as well...
>
> Shrimp are treated lke fish and I do snails and hermits as well but
> only one time for a total of 15 minutes or so.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:37:37 -0800, Don Geddis > wrote:
>
>>><>Anyone know what kind of livestock _doesn't_ need to be carefully acclimated?
>>><>
>>><>I know about fish and even more so invertebrates. I was "trained" to do a
>>><>careful 30-45 minute transfer of water from the new system to the holding
>>><>tank. Ideally via a slow drip, but in practice usually just by pouring cups
>>><>of tank water into the holding system every 5-10 minutes. The idea is to only
>>><>have slow changes in pH, salinity, and temperature, and to give the livestock
>>><>a chance to adapt slowly.
>>><>
>>><>But I was recently told that corals only need the temperature acclimation.
>>><>Just float the bag in the tank water for 10 minutes so the temperature comes
>>><>inline, then just plop the coral into the new tank without worrying about
>>><>salinity or pH changes.
>>><>
>>><>And it was also suggested to me that macroalgae (caulerpa, etc.) doesn't even
>>><>need that. Just toss the plants into the sal****er tank straight from the bag.
>>><>
>>><>Anyone have experience with either of these things? Do you not bother to
>>><>slowly acclimate corals or algae, but only fish and invertebrates?
>>><>
>>><> -- Don
>>><>__________________________________________________ _____________________________
>>><>Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
>>><>Stupidity: Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who never win AND
>>><>never quit are idiots. -- Despair.com
>
>

[miskairal]

Why do you do this with corals Roy? That sounds kinda scary to me. No,
I'm not questioning your method as you always seem to give good advice,
just wondering why you do it.

I've only ever purchased one coral (so far) and I acclimated it the same
as for the fish and shrimp (as the petshop guy told me to I think). I
spend 1/2 to 3/4 hour adding water from the tank but I start off with a
small amount of water and gradually increase the volume I add as I add
more. ie. Start off with, say, a litre, and add 50ml, wait 5 minutes
and add 50ml, wait 5 minutes and add 100ml, wait another 5 minutes and
add 100ml, wait 5 minutes and add 150ml etc. That's a pretty rough
estimate and depends a little on how stressed the fish seems to be by it
but a coral doesn't really show if it is stressed. It never occurred to
me to take the coral completely out of the water. I am so nervous with
my purchases knowing that this is a crucial stop in their survival rate.
Do yo do this b/c you don't have a q-tank setup with the lighting
requirements of a coral (because I don't)?

Roy wrote:
> Fo9r fish I place the fish in a container, say 1 quart container and
> pour out 1 pint of it, so its got one pint in the 1 quart container.
> Then over a 15 minute time span I add 1/3rd of a pint every 5 minutes
> until I get it back to one quart full measure, I then pour out 1 pint,
> and repeat the process, after the 2nd time around I do it once
> again....using water from the aquarium. I then transfer the fish to
> the tank the water came from. For start fish I increase the 5 minute
> time frame to 30 minures and do it 4 or so times...
>
> For corals, I place them on a paper towel for 1 to 3 minutes until
> they fully deflate or drain out most of their water.....then I place
> em in the tank, and when they inflate again its with the tanks water.
> I sometimes rinse them off with a splash of fresh sal****er from the
> tank as well...
>
> Shrimp are treated lke fish and I do snails and hermits as well but
> only one time for a total of 15 minutes or so.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:37:37 -0800, Don Geddis > wrote:
>
>>><>Anyone know what kind of livestock _doesn't_ need to be carefully acclimated?
>>><>
>>><>I know about fish and even more so invertebrates. I was "trained" to do a
>>><>careful 30-45 minute transfer of water from the new system to the holding
>>><>tank. Ideally via a slow drip, but in practice usually just by pouring cups
>>><>of tank water into the holding system every 5-10 minutes. The idea is to only
>>><>have slow changes in pH, salinity, and temperature, and to give the livestock
>>><>a chance to adapt slowly.
>>><>
>>><>But I was recently told that corals only need the temperature acclimation.
>>><>Just float the bag in the tank water for 10 minutes so the temperature comes
>>><>inline, then just plop the coral into the new tank without worrying about
>>><>salinity or pH changes.
>>><>
>>><>And it was also suggested to me that macroalgae (caulerpa, etc.) doesn't even
>>><>need that. Just toss the plants into the sal****er tank straight from the bag.
>>><>
>>><>Anyone have experience with either of these things? Do you not bother to
>>><>slowly acclimate corals or algae, but only fish and invertebrates?
>>><>
>>><> -- Don
>>><>__________________________________________________ _____________________________
>>><>Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
>>><>Stupidity: Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who never win AND
>>><>never quit are idiots. -- Despair.com
>
>

[Roy]

Its just the way my friend instructed me to do it. Its always wqorked
fine. He has a lfs and does nothing but sal****er, and been doing it
for years on end. So I did it, and it works and have never had a
problem so I just continue on with a method that works fine.

Lots of these corals are exposed to air at low tide etc. Once out of
water they deflate, and any "transient " water is eliminated, which is
then not going to be introduced to my tank either. Up to three minyes
length is still not usfficient for a coral todry to any point to hurt
it...

I have QT's the full 9 yards, but I do not find it necessary to spend
any amount o time acclimating corals when the deflate dryout reinflate
method has worked so fine.

OFF TOPIC FOLLOWS:::Goat Lovers read on ;-)
I am 6 up on the herd now.....4 baby does and two baby bucks born
yesterday and the day before....
Miskairal
..I sent you an email to the support addy on your goat webpage.did yu
get it?

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:05:26 +1000, miskairal <mehiding@Oz> wrote:
>><>Why do you do this with corals Roy? That sounds kinda scary to me. No,
>><>I'm not questioning your method as you always seem to give good advice,
>><>just wondering why you do it.
>><>
>><>I've only ever purchased one coral (so far) and I acclimated it the same
>><>as for the fish and shrimp (as the petshop guy told me to I think). I
>><>spend 1/2 to 3/4 hour adding water from the tank but I start off with a
>><>small amount of water and gradually increase the volume I add as I add
>><>more. ie. Start off with, say, a litre, and add 50ml, wait 5 minutes
>><>and add 50ml, wait 5 minutes and add 100ml, wait another 5 minutes and
>><>add 100ml, wait 5 minutes and add 150ml etc. That's a pretty rough
>><>estimate and depends a little on how stressed the fish seems to be by it
>><>but a coral doesn't really show if it is stressed. It never occurred to
>><>me to take the coral completely out of the water. I am so nervous with
>><>my purchases knowing that this is a crucial stop in their survival rate.
>><>Do yo do this b/c you don't have a q-tank setup with the lighting
>><>requirements of a coral (because I don't)?
>><>
>><>Roy wrote:
>><>> Fo9r fish I place the fish in a container, say 1 quart container and
>><>> pour out 1 pint of it, so its got one pint in the 1 quart container.
>><>> Then over a 15 minute time span I add 1/3rd of a pint every 5 minutes
>><>> until I get it back to one quart full measure, I then pour out 1 pint,
>><>> and repeat the process, after the 2nd time around I do it once
>><>> again....using water from the aquarium. I then transfer the fish to
>><>> the tank the water came from. For start fish I increase the 5 minute
>><>> time frame to 30 minures and do it 4 or so times...
>><>>
>><>> For corals, I place them on a paper towel for 1 to 3 minutes until
>><>> they fully deflate or drain out most of their water.....then I place
>><>> em in the tank, and when they inflate again its with the tanks water.
>><>> I sometimes rinse them off with a splash of fresh sal****er from the
>><>> tank as well...
>><>>
>><>> Shrimp are treated lke fish and I do snails and hermits as well but
>><>> only one time for a total of 15 minutes or so.
>><>>
>><>>
>><>>
>><>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:37:37 -0800, Don Geddis > wrote:
>><>>
>><>>>><>Anyone know what kind of livestock _doesn't_ need to be carefully acclimated?
>><>>>><>
>><>>>><>I know about fish and even more so invertebrates. I was "trained" to do a
>><>>>><>careful 30-45 minute transfer of water from the new system to the holding
>><>>>><>tank. Ideally via a slow drip, but in practice usually just by pouring cups
>><>>>><>of tank water into the holding system every 5-10 minutes. The idea is to only
>><>>>><>have slow changes in pH, salinity, and temperature, and to give the livestock
>><>>>><>a chance to adapt slowly.
>><>>>><>
>><>>>><>But I was recently told that corals only need the temperature acclimation.
>><>>>><>Just float the bag in the tank water for 10 minutes so the temperature comes
>><>>>><>inline, then just plop the coral into the new tank without worrying about
>><>>>><>salinity or pH changes.
>><>>>><>
>><>>>><>And it was also suggested to me that macroalgae (caulerpa, etc.) doesn't even
>><>>>><>need that. Just toss the plants into the sal****er tank straight from the bag.
>><>>>><>
>><>>>><>Anyone have experience with either of these things? Do you not bother to
>><>>>><>slowly acclimate corals or algae, but only fish and invertebrates?
>><>>>><>
>><>>>><> -- Don
>><>>>><>__________________________________________________ _____________________________
>><>>>><>Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
>><>>>><>Stupidity: Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who never win AND
>><>>>><>never quit are idiots. -- Despair.com
>><>>
>><>>

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[miskairal]

Hmm, may have received your email but deleted it. A couple of days ago I
got a few that looked like spam. Resend it and I'll be more careful.

Congrats on the new arrivals, especially the sexes.

Roy wrote:
> Its just the way my friend instructed me to do it. Its always wqorked
> fine. He has a lfs and does nothing but sal****er, and been doing it
> for years on end. So I did it, and it works and have never had a
> problem so I just continue on with a method that works fine.
>
> Lots of these corals are exposed to air at low tide etc. Once out of
> water they deflate, and any "transient " water is eliminated, which is
> then not going to be introduced to my tank either. Up to three minyes
> length is still not usfficient for a coral todry to any point to hurt
> it...
>
> I have QT's the full 9 yards, but I do not find it necessary to spend
> any amount o time acclimating corals when the deflate dryout reinflate
> method has worked so fine.
>
> OFF TOPIC FOLLOWS:::Goat Lovers read on ;-)
> I am 6 up on the herd now.....4 baby does and two baby bucks born
> yesterday and the day before....
> Miskairal
> .I sent you an email to the support addy on your goat webpage.did yu
> get it?
>
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:05:26 +1000, miskairal <mehiding@Oz> wrote:
>
>>><>Why do you do this with corals Roy? That sounds kinda scary to me. No,
>>><>I'm not questioning your method as you always seem to give good advice,
>>><>just wondering why you do it.
>>><>
>>><>I've only ever purchased one coral (so far) and I acclimated it the same
>>><>as for the fish and shrimp (as the petshop guy told me to I think). I
>>><>spend 1/2 to 3/4 hour adding water from the tank but I start off with a
>>><>small amount of water and gradually increase the volume I add as I add
>>><>more. ie. Start off with, say, a litre, and add 50ml, wait 5 minutes
>>><>and add 50ml, wait 5 minutes and add 100ml, wait another 5 minutes and
>>><>add 100ml, wait 5 minutes and add 150ml etc. That's a pretty rough
>>><>estimate and depends a little on how stressed the fish seems to be by it
>>><>but a coral doesn't really show if it is stressed. It never occurred to
>>><>me to take the coral completely out of the water. I am so nervous with
>>><>my purchases knowing that this is a crucial stop in their survival rate.
>>><>Do yo do this b/c you don't have a q-tank setup with the lighting
>>><>requirements of a coral (because I don't)?
>>><>
>>><>Roy wrote:
>>><>> Fo9r fish I place the fish in a container, say 1 quart container and
>>><>> pour out 1 pint of it, so its got one pint in the 1 quart container.
>>><>> Then over a 15 minute time span I add 1/3rd of a pint every 5 minutes
>>><>> until I get it back to one quart full measure, I then pour out 1 pint,
>>><>> and repeat the process, after the 2nd time around I do it once
>>><>> again....using water from the aquarium. I then transfer the fish to
>>><>> the tank the water came from. For start fish I increase the 5 minute
>>><>> time frame to 30 minures and do it 4 or so times...
>>><>>
>>><>> For corals, I place them on a paper towel for 1 to 3 minutes until
>>><>> they fully deflate or drain out most of their water.....then I place
>>><>> em in the tank, and when they inflate again its with the tanks water.
>>><>> I sometimes rinse them off with a splash of fresh sal****er from the
>>><>> tank as well...
>>><>>
>>><>> Shrimp are treated lke fish and I do snails and hermits as well but
>>><>> only one time for a total of 15 minutes or so.
>>><>>
>>><>>
>>><>>
>>><>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:37:37 -0800, Don Geddis > wrote:
>>><>>
>>><>>>><>Anyone know what kind of livestock _doesn't_ need to be carefully acclimated?
>>><>>>><>
>>><>>>><>I know about fish and even more so invertebrates. I was "trained" to do a
>>><>>>><>careful 30-45 minute transfer of water from the new system to the holding
>>><>>>><>tank. Ideally via a slow drip, but in practice usually just by pouring cups
>>><>>>><>of tank water into the holding system every 5-10 minutes. The idea is to only
>>><>>>><>have slow changes in pH, salinity, and temperature, and to give the livestock
>>><>>>><>a chance to adapt slowly.
>>><>>>><>
>>><>>>><>But I was recently told that corals only need the temperature acclimation.
>>><>>>><>Just float the bag in the tank water for 10 minutes so the temperature comes
>>><>>>><>inline, then just plop the coral into the new tank without worrying about
>>><>>>><>salinity or pH changes.
>>><>>>><>
>>><>>>><>And it was also suggested to me that macroalgae (caulerpa, etc.) doesn't even
>>><>>>><>need that. Just toss the plants into the sal****er tank straight from the bag.
>>><>>>><>
>>><>>>><>Anyone have experience with either of these things? Do you not bother to
>>><>>>><>slowly acclimate corals or algae, but only fish and invertebrates?
>>><>>>><>
>>><>>>><> -- Don
>>><>>>><>__________________________________________________ _____________________________
>>><>>>><>Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
>>><>>>><>Stupidity: Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who never win AND
>>><>>>><>never quit are idiots. -- Despair.com
>>><>>
>>><>>
>
>