Stocking my tank

[miskairal]

I need some help working out what to stock my tank with and how much.

Recap...
700 litre, 3 months old
Now have 2 percula (or ocellaris) clowns
2 Pyjama Cardinals
1 coral beauty
1 coral banded shrimp
1 leather coral (plus corals that came on the live rock)

I spoke over the phone to my pethsop guy today and he said that it's
very hard to get most fish we see on the net here in Oz. Why? Because
most are exported (his main supplier is in Cairns) to the rest of the
world where they can get more money for them and our strict quarantine
laws make importing prohibitively expensive :(

Royal Gramma - not available
Blennies - very hard to get and rare
Tangs - he keeps trying to talk me out of the Regal tang that I want
saying they are too prone to white spot. Several other tangs available
but they are not what I want. I can get a yellow tang I think.
Dottybacks I think are available (I've seen them there)
Mandarins - available but it's way to early for me to even think about them.
Firefish - I've decided against as I keep reading they are jumpers and I
dont' want lids
Bangaii Cardinals - hard to get but we're not sure if they are ok to put
in with the pyjamas?
Anthias/Chromis I'm not sure about availability
Gobies - dont' know much about them and not sure if I can get them
Butterfly fish - copperbandeds are available but I keep reading they are
difficult to keep and they may eat coral.

I want fish that are peaceful, would prefer to be understocked and don't
want anything that will outgrow the tank. I'd like a bit of colour but
also fish with character.

If you had what I have now, what would you get to add to it and how
many? Do any of you live in Oz and know what is available in Qld? Would
you add more clowns of a different sort (not tomatoes)?

[Croosh]

Hello,
Forst of all, Regal tangs are prone to white spot, as all all tangs,
but with good husbandry they are great fish never the less.
If you tank is long (1.5 metres or so) you might get away with having
two pairs of clowns. In some cases they do well, in other they fight. I
personally am not tht brave
Depending on how much LR you have and what is the quality the tank
might be able to support mandarins. My tank is 90 US gal (~340 litres)
and I had my pair on month 3, but I had a lot of Figi/Tonga LR and a
lot of pods/shrimp/worms etc.

A lot depends on whether your tank is reff, FO or FOWLR tank.

Regards
Yuriy

[Don Geddis]

miskairal > wrote on Tue, 31 Jan 2006:
> Now have 2 percula (or ocellaris) clowns

Those are different (although they look similar). Do you know which you
have, percula or ocellaris?

> Would you add more clowns of a different sort (not tomatoes)?

Most clowns don't get along with other clown species. (Or, in they case of
maroon clowns, they don't even get along with their own species!)

Unless you have a really big tank, with more than enough room for separate
territories, you almost certainly should NOT get a different species of
clownfish to add to your existing ones.

-- Don
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[Cindy]

I love hawkfish. Spotted hawks are cool, but I've seen several species and
they're all very pretty and very personable.

[miskairal]

Thanks Cindy. I thought they were coral eaters but I got that wrong from
what I've read since reading your post. I've seen a flame hawkefish at
the shop so at least there is a chance I could get one.

Cindy wrote:
> I love hawkfish. Spotted hawks are cool, but I've seen several species and
> they're all very pretty and very personable.
>
>

[Wayne Sallee]

Yea they are realy cute fish, but they eat shrimp, and I
would not want a reef tank without cleaner shrimp.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



Cindy wrote on 1/31/2006 4:02 PM:
> I love hawkfish. Spotted hawks are cool, but I've seen several species and
> they're all very pretty and very personable.
>
>

[miskairal]

Don Geddis wrote:
> miskairal > wrote on Tue, 31 Jan 2006:
>
>>Now have 2 percula (or ocellaris) clowns
>
>
> Those are different (although they look similar). Do you know which you
> have, percula or ocellaris?

No I don't know b/c everything tells me something different. I can't
count their dorsal spines because a) they wont' keep still and b) They
are still very young and smallish. The do have a black line dividing
orange and white colouration.
I'm leaning towards ocellaris but in the long run it really doesn't
matter which they are.

I have seen 2 pair living together at opposite ends of a very big tank
but I won't go there.

[miskairal]

Aw, not my Ziggy. She's my coral banded shrimp so I guess that is out
too now.

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> Yea they are realy cute fish, but they eat shrimp, and I would not want
> a reef tank without cleaner shrimp.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
>
> Cindy wrote on 1/31/2006 4:02 PM:
>
>> I love hawkfish. Spotted hawks are cool, but I've seen several
>> species and they're all very pretty and very personable.
>>

[Michael Lawford]

What about some wrasse varieties - I have some multi colour and dragon
wrasse and they are really cool. Also what about a flame angel - but that
could fight with your CB?

~m

"miskairal" > wrote in message
u...
>I need some help working out what to stock my tank with and how much.
>
> Recap...
> 700 litre, 3 months old
> Now have 2 percula (or ocellaris) clowns
> 2 Pyjama Cardinals
> 1 coral beauty
> 1 coral banded shrimp
> 1 leather coral (plus corals that came on the live rock)
>
> I spoke over the phone to my pethsop guy today and he said that it's very
> hard to get most fish we see on the net here in Oz. Why? Because most are
> exported (his main supplier is in Cairns) to the rest of the world where
> they can get more money for them and our strict quarantine laws make
> importing prohibitively expensive :(
>
> Royal Gramma - not available
> Blennies - very hard to get and rare
> Tangs - he keeps trying to talk me out of the Regal tang that I want
> saying they are too prone to white spot. Several other tangs available but
> they are not what I want. I can get a yellow tang I think.
> Dottybacks I think are available (I've seen them there)
> Mandarins - available but it's way to early for me to even think about
> them.
> Firefish - I've decided against as I keep reading they are jumpers and I
> dont' want lids
> Bangaii Cardinals - hard to get but we're not sure if they are ok to put
> in with the pyjamas?
> Anthias/Chromis I'm not sure about availability
> Gobies - dont' know much about them and not sure if I can get them
> Butterfly fish - copperbandeds are available but I keep reading they are
> difficult to keep and they may eat coral.
>
> I want fish that are peaceful, would prefer to be understocked and don't
> want anything that will outgrow the tank. I'd like a bit of colour but
> also fish with character.
>
> If you had what I have now, what would you get to add to it and how many?
> Do any of you live in Oz and know what is available in Qld? Would you add
> more clowns of a different sort (not tomatoes)?

[Wayne Sallee]

Coral banded shrimp are a little agressive, so a hawk fish
*might* not be a problem. The coral banded shrimp don't
clean the fish as well as the skunk cleaner shrimp, and
they also kill the skunk cleaner shrimp.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne's Pets



miskairal wrote on 2/1/2006 4:53 AM:
> Aw, not my Ziggy. She's my coral banded shrimp so I guess that is out
> too now.
>
> Wayne Sallee wrote:
>
>> Yea they are realy cute fish, but they eat shrimp, and I would not
>> want a reef tank without cleaner shrimp.
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>> Wayne's Pets
>>
>>
>>
>> Cindy wrote on 1/31/2006 4:02 PM:
>>
>>> I love hawkfish. Spotted hawks are cool, but I've seen several
>>> species and they're all very pretty and very personable.
>>>

[miskairal]

I probably can't get a skunk cleaner shrimp here anyway.
I'll ask the petshop guy how he finds the hawkefish with the shrimp,
he's pretty good.

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> Coral banded shrimp are a little agressive, so a hawk fish *might* not
> be a problem. The coral banded shrimp don't clean the fish as well as
> the skunk cleaner shrimp, and they also kill the skunk cleaner shrimp.
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Wayne's Pets
>
>
>
> miskairal wrote on 2/1/2006 4:53 AM:
>
>> Aw, not my Ziggy. She's my coral banded shrimp so I guess that is out
>> too now.
>>
>> Wayne Sallee wrote:
>>
>>> Yea they are realy cute fish, but they eat shrimp, and I would not
>>> want a reef tank without cleaner shrimp.
>>>
>>> Wayne Sallee
>>> Wayne's Pets
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cindy wrote on 1/31/2006 4:02 PM:
>>>
>>>> I love hawkfish. Spotted hawks are cool, but I've seen several
>>>> species and they're all very pretty and very personable.
>>>>

[miskairal]

Wrasses are somethign I have bery much over looked. Will check into it
more. Thanks.

Michael Lawford wrote:
> What about some wrasse varieties - I have some multi colour and dragon
> wrasse and they are really cool. Also what about a flame angel - but that
> could fight with your CB?
>
> ~m
>
> "miskairal" > wrote in message
> u...
>
>>I need some help working out what to stock my tank with and how much.
>>
>>Recap...
>>700 litre, 3 months old
>>Now have 2 percula (or ocellaris) clowns
>>2 Pyjama Cardinals
>>1 coral beauty
>>1 coral banded shrimp
>>1 leather coral (plus corals that came on the live rock)
>>
>>I spoke over the phone to my pethsop guy today and he said that it's very
>>hard to get most fish we see on the net here in Oz. Why? Because most are
>>exported (his main supplier is in Cairns) to the rest of the world where
>>they can get more money for them and our strict quarantine laws make
>>importing prohibitively expensive :(
>>
>>Royal Gramma - not available
>>Blennies - very hard to get and rare
>>Tangs - he keeps trying to talk me out of the Regal tang that I want
>>saying they are too prone to white spot. Several other tangs available but
>>they are not what I want. I can get a yellow tang I think.
>>Dottybacks I think are available (I've seen them there)
>>Mandarins - available but it's way to early for me to even think about
>>them.
>>Firefish - I've decided against as I keep reading they are jumpers and I
>>dont' want lids
>>Bangaii Cardinals - hard to get but we're not sure if they are ok to put
>>in with the pyjamas?
>>Anthias/Chromis I'm not sure about availability
>>Gobies - dont' know much about them and not sure if I can get them
>>Butterfly fish - copperbandeds are available but I keep reading they are
>>difficult to keep and they may eat coral.
>>
>>I want fish that are peaceful, would prefer to be understocked and don't
>>want anything that will outgrow the tank. I'd like a bit of colour but
>>also fish with character.
>>
>>If you had what I have now, what would you get to add to it and how many?
>>Do any of you live in Oz and know what is available in Qld? Would you add
>>more clowns of a different sort (not tomatoes)?
>
>
>

[miskairal]

Oops, sorry about the typos.

miskairal wrote:
> Wrasses are somethign I have bery much over looked. Will check into it
> more. Thanks.
>
> Michael Lawford wrote:
>
>> What about some wrasse varieties - I have some multi colour and dragon
>> wrasse and they are really cool. Also what about a flame angel - but
>> that could fight with your CB?
>>
>> ~m
>>
>> "miskairal" > wrote in message
>> u...
>>
>>> I need some help working out what to stock my tank with and how much.
>>>
>>> Recap...
>>> 700 litre, 3 months old
>>> Now have 2 percula (or ocellaris) clowns
>>> 2 Pyjama Cardinals
>>> 1 coral beauty
>>> 1 coral banded shrimp
>>> 1 leather coral (plus corals that came on the live rock)
>>>
>>> I spoke over the phone to my pethsop guy today and he said that it's
>>> very hard to get most fish we see on the net here in Oz. Why? Because
>>> most are exported (his main supplier is in Cairns) to the rest of the
>>> world where they can get more money for them and our strict
>>> quarantine laws make importing prohibitively expensive :(
>>>
>>> Royal Gramma - not available
>>> Blennies - very hard to get and rare
>>> Tangs - he keeps trying to talk me out of the Regal tang that I want
>>> saying they are too prone to white spot. Several other tangs
>>> available but they are not what I want. I can get a yellow tang I think.
>>> Dottybacks I think are available (I've seen them there)
>>> Mandarins - available but it's way to early for me to even think
>>> about them.
>>> Firefish - I've decided against as I keep reading they are jumpers
>>> and I dont' want lids
>>> Bangaii Cardinals - hard to get but we're not sure if they are ok to
>>> put in with the pyjamas?
>>> Anthias/Chromis I'm not sure about availability
>>> Gobies - dont' know much about them and not sure if I can get them
>>> Butterfly fish - copperbandeds are available but I keep reading they
>>> are difficult to keep and they may eat coral.
>>>
>>> I want fish that are peaceful, would prefer to be understocked and
>>> don't want anything that will outgrow the tank. I'd like a bit of
>>> colour but also fish with character.
>>>
>>> If you had what I have now, what would you get to add to it and how
>>> many? Do any of you live in Oz and know what is available in Qld?
>>> Would you add more clowns of a different sort (not tomatoes)?
>>
>>
>>
>>