Re: Trappers Push Pro-Trapping Postage Stamp

[CapFusion]

"Russ Thompson" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> > Animal lovers in America are sounding the alarm about a proposed
> > 'pro-trapping' postage stamp currently under consideration by the U.S.
>
> I wonder why there was not a picture of the stamp on the web site? Also
> what's wrong with a stamp? Have any animals ever ben killed by a stamp?
>
> Kala Thompson
> Farmer
> Richland Center, Wi USA
>
>
Not from stamp but indirectly promoting it. Same basic principle of
promoting the movie "Finding Nemo". Now, more clown fish will find it way to
children small fish bowl / tank and toilet bowl to meet the fish doom.



CapFusion,...

[Kelly]

I don't think many people look at stamps as a source for finding new
hobbies. They put Elvis on a stamp and no one hunted him. :)

The Nemo thing goes both ways, it gets the right people into aquatics and
the wrong, hopefully it balances out in the end.

[John Lange]

Tree Huggers... Bleaaack

Trapping was the major reason for westward expansion and exploration. It is
a vital part of our history, without it we would all be living on the east
coast. Native Americans did it, The French did it, and every race that
needed fur for warmth and profit did it.

It may not be cool now, with every synthetic fiber known to man, but when
the oil is gone, and your but get's cold, what do you think you will wrap it
in.

JOhn ><>

[Kelly]

Good point, in Canada we would consider that a commemorative stamp.
"John Lange" > wrote in
message t...
> Tree Huggers... Bleaaack
>
> Trapping was the major reason for westward expansion and exploration. It
is
> a vital part of our history, without it we would all be living on the east
> coast. Native Americans did it, The French did it, and every race that
> needed fur for warmth and profit did it.
>
> It may not be cool now, with every synthetic fiber known to man, but when
> the oil is gone, and your but get's cold, what do you think you will wrap
it
> in.
>
> JOhn ><>
>
>

[CapFusion]

"John Lange" > wrote in
message t...
> Tree Huggers... Bleaaack
>
> Trapping was the major reason for westward expansion and exploration. It
is
> a vital part of our history, without it we would all be living on the east
> coast. Native Americans did it, The French did it, and every race that
> needed fur for warmth and profit did it.
>
> It may not be cool now, with every synthetic fiber known to man, but when
> the oil is gone, and your but get's cold, what do you think you will wrap
it
> in.
>
> JOhn ><>
Haa..... You talking in the past and the idea is from the past. And yes,
earlier people / settler need to hunt for animal fur / oil etc, to survive.
But today is different story / history. We no longer really need to trap
animal. Sure we want to remember history but not take history to the
present. The point of knowing the history is to learn from it and improve
the present and to the future but not trap in the past. If "one" in the
wilderness and is lost without food, then I see one need to hunt for food
but intentionally trap for fun and for profit, then I would this is not for
survival need but greed [IMHO].

CapFusion,...

[plaguebeast]

"CapFusion" > wrote in message
...
>
> "John Lange" > wrote in
> message t...
> > Tree Huggers... Bleaaack
> >
> > Trapping was the major reason for westward expansion and exploration.
It
> is
> > a vital part of our history, without it we would all be living on the
east
> > coast. Native Americans did it, The French did it, and every race that
> > needed fur for warmth and profit did it.
> >
> > It may not be cool now, with every synthetic fiber known to man, but
when
> > the oil is gone, and your but get's cold, what do you think you will
wrap
> it
> > in.
> >
> > JOhn ><>
> Haa..... You talking in the past and the idea is from the past. And yes,
> earlier people / settler need to hunt for animal fur / oil etc, to
survive.
> But today is different story / history. We no longer really need to trap
> animal. Sure we want to remember history but not take history to the
> present. The point of knowing the history is to learn from it and improve
> the present and to the future but not trap in the past. If "one" in the
> wilderness and is lost without food, then I see one need to hunt for food
> but intentionally trap for fun and for profit, then I would this is not
for
> survival need but greed [IMHO].
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>

so, you don't think there are people/families whose lifestyle/life/eating
relies on trapping ? Not everyone had a supermarket and not everyone can
afford to go to one.

[CapFusion]

>
> so, you don't think there are people/families whose lifestyle/life/eating
> relies on trapping ? Not everyone had a supermarket and not everyone can
> afford to go to one.
>

I see that you thinking of one-side from my reply.

Humm.... I am not sure you understand my last part of my reply.
This is my previous post:
> The point of knowing the history is to learn from it and improve
> the present and to the future but not trap in the past. If "one" in the
> wilderness and is lost without food, then I see one need to hunt for food
> but intentionally trap for fun and for profit, then I would this is not
for
> survival need but greed [IMHO].

I understand there are some people that still live in the mountain and live
on the land for food. And I also know there some people never see a
horseless wagon before .. etc.

The stamp is about "Pro-Trapping" not about a person from the past that hunt
for survival. See the differences?

CapFusion,...

[plaguebeast]

"CapFusion" > wrote in message
...
> >
> > so, you don't think there are people/families whose
lifestyle/life/eating
> > relies on trapping ? Not everyone had a supermarket and not everyone
can
> > afford to go to one.
> >
>
> I see that you thinking of one-side from my reply.
>
> Humm.... I am not sure you understand my last part of my reply.
> This is my previous post:
> > The point of knowing the history is to learn from it and improve
> > the present and to the future but not trap in the past. If "one" in the
> > wilderness and is lost without food, then I see one need to hunt for
food
> > but intentionally trap for fun and for profit, then I would this is not
> for
> > survival need but greed [IMHO].
>
> I understand there are some people that still live in the mountain and
live
> on the land for food. And I also know there some people never see a
> horseless wagon before .. etc.
>
> The stamp is about "Pro-Trapping" not about a person from the past that
hunt
> for survival. See the differences?
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>

okok, correct me if I am wrong but I get the feeling that you feel like the
stamp, being pro-trapping, might make people go out and pick up trapping as
a hobby ?

I guess it is possible....

[CapFusion]

> okok, correct me if I am wrong but I get the feeling that you feel like
the
> stamp, being pro-trapping, might make people go out and pick up trapping
as
> a hobby ?
>
> I guess it is possible....

I have nothing against people trapping animal for food / survival but for
fun and profit is another story. Having stamp "pro-moting" is somewhat
saying it ok to trap animal. Again, this depend on how that individual and
how they interpret it message. OT abit, why not also have a stamp for
"rapest" [kindof extreme example but similiar]. Picture of a female being
rape. This can be interpret as "anti-rape" or "pro-rape". Again, this is
depend on the individual how they take that message or interpret it meaning.
Why just not have that message in the first place.

CapFusion,...

[plaguebeast]

"CapFusion" > wrote in message
...
>
> > okok, correct me if I am wrong but I get the feeling that you feel like
> the
> > stamp, being pro-trapping, might make people go out and pick up trapping
> as
> > a hobby ?
> >
> > I guess it is possible....
>
> I have nothing against people trapping animal for food / survival but for
> fun and profit is another story. Having stamp "pro-moting" is somewhat
> saying it ok to trap animal. Again, this depend on how that individual and
> how they interpret it message. OT abit, why not also have a stamp for
> "rapest" [kindof extreme example but similiar]. Picture of a female being
> rape. This can be interpret as "anti-rape" or "pro-rape". Again, this is
> depend on the individual how they take that message or interpret it
meaning.
> Why just not have that message in the first place.
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>

I don't think we disagree on the pointless killing of animals. I would like
to think of the stamp as commerating something in our country's heritage,
like making wooden furniture or clothes by hand. I don't think the stamp
was intended to tell people to go trap animals or to glorify the sport.

uhh, as far as a rape stamp....how detailed can we get ? Can the woman have
big boobies ? j/k

[John Lange]

> I have nothing against people trapping animal for food / survival but for
> fun and profit is another story. Having stamp "pro-moting" is somewhat
>
What do you think trapping is all about. It has ALWAYS been done "FOR
PROFIT" that's the whole idea!!! The trappers went into the woods,
explored America, and trapped until they could not carry any more fur. Then
they went to the trading post and CASHED it in.

It is our history and lineage. Now days it is done for Sport. There is NO
profit in trapping. The traps, preparation and fur processing equipment is
more expensive than an average trapper can make in a year.

On the other hand, if the oil wells dry up, you will sure appreciate a nice
rabbit coat to keep you warm while you WALK to the Supermarket. {GRIN}

JOhn ><>

[Moontanman]

>>
>What do you think trapping is all about. It has ALWAYS been done "FOR
>PROFIT" that's the whole idea!!! The trappers went into the woods,
>explored America, and trapped until they could not carry any more fur. Then
>they went to the trading post and CASHED it in.
>
>It is our history and lineage. Now days it is done for Sport. There is NO
>profit in trapping. The traps, preparation and fur processing equipment is
>more expensive than an average trapper can make in a year.
>

I have trapped for a living when I was young, at times it was the only way we
could eat and earn money for other things. Now that I am more able to make a
living I wouldn't trap for fun. there is nothing fun about killing and skinning
animals for their skins. it's nasty and hard dirty work. I can't imagine doing
it for sport. At one time it was a big part of our sociaty now days with fake
furs so real it's difficult to tell the difference there is no excuse for
wearing real fur. but as long as people buy it someone will be desperate enough
to do it.
remove nospam from e-mail to send to me, I grow trees in aquariums like bonsai.
I breed dwarf crayfish, great for planted community tanks. If you can get me a
shovelnose sturgeon fingerling (Scaphirhynchus platorynchus) no wild caught
please, contact me

[Adam]

"Moontanman" > wrote in message
...
> >>
> >What do you think trapping is all about. It has ALWAYS been done "FOR
> >PROFIT" that's the whole idea!!! The trappers went into the woods,
> >explored America, and trapped until they could not carry any more fur.
Then
> >they went to the trading post and CASHED it in.
> >
> >It is our history and lineage. Now days it is done for Sport. There is
NO
> >profit in trapping. The traps, preparation and fur processing equipment
is
> >more expensive than an average trapper can make in a year.
> >
>
> I have trapped for a living when I was young, at times it was the only
way we
> could eat and earn money for other things. Now that I am more able to make
a
> living I wouldn't trap for fun. there is nothing fun about killing and
skinning
> animals for their skins. it's nasty and hard dirty work. I can't imagine
doing
> it for sport. At one time it was a big part of our sociaty now days with
fake
> furs so real it's difficult to tell the difference there is no excuse for
> wearing real fur. but as long as people buy it someone will be desperate
enough
> to do it.
> remove nospam from e-mail to send to me, I grow trees in aquariums like
bonsai.
> I breed dwarf crayfish, great for planted community tanks. If you can get
me a
> shovelnose sturgeon fingerling (Scaphirhynchus platorynchus) no wild
caught
> please, contact me

I must have missed something in my recent time away from the computer but
how did this end up in the "Marine.Reefs" forum?

[Fishnut]

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 03:11:22 GMT, "John Lange"
> wrote:

>Tree Huggers... Bleaaack
>
>Trapping was the major reason for westward expansion and exploration. It is
>a vital part of our history, without it we would all be living on the east
>coast. Native Americans did it, The French did it, and every race that
>needed fur for warmth and profit did it.
>
>It may not be cool now, with every synthetic fiber known to man, but when
>the oil is gone, and your but get's cold, what do you think you will wrap it
>in.
>
>JOhn ><>
>
Hello John,

People (i.e. politicians and their hangers-on, and others who sit on
their brains) will realise that we are surrounded by virtually-free
energy from wavepower and wind-turbines. It is virtually
pollution-free as well. Of course Governments will have to find a way
to tax it ! So carry on wearing your synthetic clothing, or do you get
turned-on wearing your mink jockstrap ? LOL.

Regards, Fishnut.

[Adam]

> People (i.e. politicians and their hangers-on, and others who sit on
> their brains) will realise that we are surrounded by virtually-free
> energy from wavepower and wind-turbines. It is virtually
> pollution-free as well. Of course Governments will have to find a way
> to tax it ! So carry on wearing your synthetic clothing, or do you get
> turned-on wearing your mink jockstrap ? LOL.
>
> Regards, Fishnut.
>

Ok well if you can't beat em', join em'

You must not know a lot about politics (this is not a slam on you). As far
as the polititians go tax dollars don't pay the bills. From taxes a
polititian can only take his alloted amount of money (IE: President 450,00 a
year, I think that's what it's at now.) Now on the other hand you have the
"special interest groups (IE: oil companies)" that can pay in legal ways
(IE: campaign contributions) and other than legal ways or shall we say
unethical ways (bonuses to the president's wife's cousin who happens to be
on the board of said oil company). Until you have windmill manufactures
that can pay the wife's cousin more than the oil companies we will continue
to rely on oil.

This is really the short version of my position but I think you get the
point. It's not their brains they are sitting on it's their wallets.

JMO

Ed

[CapFusion]

>
> I don't think we disagree on the pointless killing of animals. I would
like
> to think of the stamp as commerating something in our country's heritage,
> like making wooden furniture or clothes by hand. I don't think the stamp
> was intended to tell people to go trap animals or to glorify the sport.
>
> uhh, as far as a rape stamp....how detailed can we get ? Can the woman
have
> big boobies ? j/k
>
Heehe... 8>

CapFusion,...

[CapFusion]

"John Lange" > wrote in
message t...
>
> What do you think trapping is all about. It has ALWAYS been done "FOR
> PROFIT" that's the whole idea!!! The trappers went into the woods,
> explored America, and trapped until they could not carry any more fur.
Then
> they went to the trading post and CASHED it in.
>

No comment on this. This our country history / heriteg and do apply toward
other country too.


> It is our history and lineage. Now days it is done for Sport. There is
NO
> profit in trapping. The traps, preparation and fur processing equipment
is
> more expensive than an average trapper can make in a year.

Yes, it become a sport. But should not be in expense of other.


> On the other hand, if the oil wells dry up, you will sure appreciate a
nice
> rabbit coat to keep you warm while you WALK to the Supermarket. {GRIN}
>
> JOhn ><>
>

Until the oil-well dry up and other alternative mean of source, then I would
turn to hunting as for survival. According to today and time, there no need
to hunt unless you live on land and your survival depend on it. This also
apply to "nomad" people that live on the land. Do they use stamp for that
matter?

Beside "trapping", there are other bad history we have. Do we need to bring
to the present time and commemorate it, too? IMHO, we only need to know the
history and learn from it.

CapFusion,...

[CapFusion]

> I must have missed something in my recent time away from the computer but
> how did this end up in the "Marine.Reefs" forum?

It start when ANC have an article regarding about "stamp" for "Pro-Trapping"
of animal.

CapFusion,...

[CapFusion]

> Ok well if you can't beat em', join em'
>
> You must not know a lot about politics (this is not a slam on you). As
far
> as the polititians go tax dollars don't pay the bills. From taxes a
> polititian can only take his alloted amount of money (IE: President 450,00
a
> year, I think that's what it's at now.) Now on the other hand you have
the
> "special interest groups (IE: oil companies)" that can pay in legal ways
> (IE: campaign contributions) and other than legal ways or shall we say
> unethical ways (bonuses to the president's wife's cousin who happens to be
> on the board of said oil company). Until you have windmill manufactures
> that can pay the wife's cousin more than the oil companies we will
continue
> to rely on oil.
>
> This is really the short version of my position but I think you get the
> point. It's not their brains they are sitting on it's their wallets.
>
> JMO
>
> Ed
>
Politican are just people. Money talk / control / power / Greed.

CapFusion,...